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  186. # May 20 19:43:03 * trackbot-ng HTML Issue Tracking http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
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  205. # May 20 22:49:12 * myakura wonders why html5 changelog is not in the spec itself but the html5-diffs draft
  206. # May 20 22:50:14 <MikeSmith> myakura: dunno.. maybe because spec is pretty big already
  207. # May 20 22:50:42 <MikeSmith> and also because the spec source has two homes
  208. # May 20 22:51:21 <MikeSmith> one at the whatwg site, where the changes since the W3C FPWD aren't relevant
  209. # May 20 22:51:28 <myakura> oh, the size matter,,, really convincing :)
  210. # May 20 22:51:32 <MikeSmith> heh
  211. # May 20 22:52:34 <myakura> hmm, maybe we need two additional refs: one to fpwd, and another to the new one
  212. # May 20 22:52:39 <MikeSmith> well, I guess I could include the changes summary manually in the next WD itself, when I do the prep for it
  213. # May 20 22:53:38 <Lachy> MikeSmith, why do we need the changes summary in the spec?
  214. # May 20 22:54:03 <Philip> If the changelog was added to the HTML5 spec, then the changelog would immediately have to be extended to include "* added changelog to spec", and then immediately extended again to say "* added 'added changelog to spec' to spec", and the process would loop forever
  215. # May 20 22:54:07 <Lachy> maybe just a link to the diffs from the top of the spec
  216. # May 20 22:54:29 <MikeSmith> Philip: I like the sound of that
  217. # May 20 22:55:02 <myakura> yeah
  218. # May 20 22:55:08 <Lachy> hmm. That means the change log is always going to be 1 change behind.
  219. # May 20 22:56:46 <MikeSmith> many W3C specs do seem to incorporate a change log as a part of the spec, and I can see some value in that. On the other hand, there's some value in publishing it separately. I personally don't really feel strongly about it either way.
  220. # May 20 22:57:50 <Lachy> publishing separately and linking to it is better. It makes it availalble to those who want it, but doesn't clutter the spec with irrelevant stuff for those who don't
  221. # May 20 22:58:31 <myakura> yeah. filesize really matters :(
  222. # May 20 22:59:06 <MikeSmith> Lachy: some others might say: s/clutter/enhance/ s/irrelevant stuff/useful information/
  223. # May 20 22:59:49 <myakura> but the question is whether it should be included in the document titled "differences from html4"
  224. # May 20 22:59:52 <Philip> The changelog would probably be around 0.1% of the size of the spec, so I don't exactly think that's going to be much of an issue
  225. # May 20 23:02:09 <MikeSmith> myakura: OK, well, I'm working on a separate "HTML5 Publication Notes" doc that attempts to (more) comprehensively document all the substantive (non-editorial) changes that have been made since the FPWD
  226. # May 20 23:02:33 <MikeSmith> we can put the summary list into that after the introduction section
  227. # May 20 23:03:06 <Philip> I'd agree it doesn't make sense to me for "HTML 5 differences from HTML 4" to describe the differences between two snapshots of HTML 5 since that's not what the title says the document is about
  228. # May 20 23:03:25 <MikeSmith> or "highlights of most significant changes" list or whatever we want to call it
  229. # May 20 23:03:36 <MikeSmith> Philip: yeah, I suppose so
  230. # May 20 23:04:09 <MikeSmith> i guess anne just put it into there because we didn't have anywhere else yet to put it
  231. # May 20 23:04:37 <MikeSmith> anyway, I will have the publication-notes doc ready for review tomorrow
  232. # May 20 23:04:50 <myakura> great ;)
  233. # May 20 23:05:02 <MikeSmith> so we can try it with the highlights-list included and see how it flies
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