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  34. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> Aza Raskin posting, http://azarask.in/blog/post/firefox-geolocation-js-library/
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  36. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> "After the excellent feedback I got on my last geolocation blog post, I’ve updated the proposed geolocation API. More importantly, I’ve also created a pure Javascript library which you can use to start playing around with geolocation before we actually get it into the browser."
  37. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> "This library provides exactly the same API as would be provided by the browser. Although it can’t offer GPS-quality data, it does provide a decent city-level geolocation based on your IP. You can get the library here, and there’s also a no-frills demo."
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  53. # [11:57] <MikeSmith> aaronlev: the ARIA-as-stopgap view is something that I remember Gregory Rosmaita saying
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  57. # [11:59] <MikeSmith> I think it implies that the better solution is that we get equivalent markup into core language
  58. # [11:59] <MikeSmith> instead of bolting it on after
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  61. # [12:01] <anne> aaronlev has a point though in that a low-level accessibility API might be needed regardless
  62. # [12:01] <aaronlev> there is something to be said for keeping it separate
  63. # [12:01] <aaronlev> although, i think the best solution some day would involve XBL
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  65. # [12:01] <aaronlev> some way of defining widgets in a widget definition language
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  67. # [12:02] <aaronlev> but, that would assume all vendors are going to implement that, which i'm deeply skeptical of
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  69. # [12:03] <mjs> HTML should have controls that encapsulate the right apperance, behavior, and accessibility information for common things
  70. # [12:04] <mjs> but given that it has mechanisms to build totally custom appearance and behavior, it also needs low-level affordances for accessibility
  71. # [12:04] <mjs> so ARIA makes sense architecturally as more than just a stopgap
  72. # [12:04] <aaronlev> there's always going to be someone who needs something special
  73. # [12:04] <mjs> but
  74. # [12:04] <mjs> I think debating this point is not very germane to the hyphen vs. colon debate
  75. # [12:04] <aaronlev> i'm starting a new project where i'm looking at doing some new user scenarios which require thinking outside of normal controls
  76. # [12:04] <aaronlev> mjs: i agree, i should have spawned off a new topic
  77. # [12:05] <aaronlev> it was offtopic
  78. # [12:05] <mjs> dbaron brought it up, not entirely your fault
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  80. # [12:05] <aaronlev> anyway, i can't exactly take my project, which is not for public consumption
  81. # [12:05] <aaronlev> and go to a standards body with it
  82. # [12:05] <aaronlev> then wait for years for it get standardized
  83. # [12:06] <aaronlev> and if i'm really lucky get my new control into html impls in 5 years
  84. # [12:06] <aaronlev> where i can rely on it
  85. # [12:06] <aaronlev> therefore i will do it with JS
  86. # [12:06] <mjs> sure, standards can't be the first step required to do anything new, or there would be very little innovation on the web
  87. # [12:06] <aaronlev> so saying ARIA is stop-gop makes no sense to me at all
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  96. # [12:21] <Dashiva> Lots of talk about attributes being in the null namespace. Does anyone know why it was decided attributes shouldn't be in their element's ns?
  97. # [12:22] <Dashiva> The spec does seems pretty clear on it being an intentional thing
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  131. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> hmm
  132. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mayrhofer-geopriv-geo-uri-00.txt
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  134. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> "A Uniform Resource Identifier for Geographic Locations ('geo' URI)"
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  136. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> geo:48.2010,16.3695,183
  137. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> <p>one of Vienna's popular sights is the <a href=' geo:48.198634,16.371648'>Karlskirche</a>
  138. # [13:48] <anne> what kind of problem is that solving?
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  141. # [13:49] <Philip> "When the browsing context navigates to a geo: URI, the user agent MUST teleport the user to the specified location."
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  143. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> [[
  144. # [13:49] <gsnedders> anne: Open Google Earth?
  145. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> o display a small map when the mouse pointer hovers over the link
  146. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> o switch to a mapping service of the user's choice once the link is
  147. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> selected
  148. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> o Locate nearby resources, for example by making use of GeoRSS feeds
  149. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> the user has subscribed to
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  151. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> o Convert the coordinates to a format suitable for uploading to a
  152. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> navigation device
  153. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> ]]
  154. # [13:50] <anne> hmm
  155. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> there basically are no must assertions in that draft regarding implementation conformance
  156. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> just must's about the syntax
  157. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> itself
  158. # [13:51] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: What can they usefully define? "You MUST do something useful"?
  159. # [13:52] <Hixie> typical
  160. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> "Applications MUST NOT use URIs which such invalid values, and SHOULD warn the user when such URIs are encountered."
  161. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> that seems like the only one
  162. # [13:53] <anne> warn the user is such a poor choice
  163. # [13:53] <anne> well, maybe not for invalid uris...
  164. # [13:53] <Philip> MikeSmith: "which such"?
  165. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> Philip: "URIs which don't identify a valid location on earth."
  166. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> which on the face of it seems like a funny thing to say
  167. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> or to try to test for
  168. # [13:55] <MikeSmith> I guess it just intends to mean a valid latitude and longitude
  169. # [13:55] <Philip> I was wondering more about the grammar not quite making sense
  170. # [13:55] <MikeSmith> "An example of such an invalid URI would be <geo:94,0> (latitude "beyond" north pole)."
  171. # [13:55] <Philip> but I suppose that's why it's a draft :-)
  172. # [13:56] <Philip> Surely latitudes above 90 mean you wrap around to the inside of the donut-shaped planet?
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  241. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> sorry, keyboard switcher doesn't always pick up command keystroke
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