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  1. # Session Start: Mon May 26 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:13] <anne> crazy?
  4. # [00:13] <anne> pronouncing each letter separately takes more time...
  5. # [00:32] * anne reads comments from Philip
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  7. # [00:47] <anne> MikeSmith, heh, your message to Openwave did trigger something :)
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  9. # [01:38] <MikeSmith> anne: yeah, the thing is that Mark Cataldo was their AC rep, and he left without handing over the keys to anybody
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  35. # [11:32] <UrL> hi
  36. # [11:32] <UrL> all afk?
  37. # [11:35] <hsivonen> hi
  38. # [11:46] <UrL> server is free?
  39. # [11:46] <UrL> for use?
  40. # [11:48] <UrL> i want to do some tests with my bots
  41. # [11:50] <hsivonen> UrL: you probably shouldn't use this IRC server for testing bots
  42. # [11:50] <UrL> why?
  43. # [11:51] <hsivonen> UrL: it seems customary that only the W3C itself runs bots here
  44. # [11:51] <hsivonen> UrL: but I don't know what the official bot policy is
  45. # [11:51] <UrL> ah ok
  46. # [11:52] <UrL> hsivonen
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  48. # [11:52] <UrL> i need 1 bot
  49. # [11:52] <UrL> game bot for my channel
  50. # [11:52] <UrL> for warcraft
  51. # [11:52] <UrL> do u know about it?
  52. # [11:52] <UrL> i ll see zakim bot but i cant dl
  53. # [11:52] <anne> you're quite lost, this is the channel of the W3C HTML WG
  54. # [11:53] <UrL> y
  55. # [11:53] <UrL> bot writen at w3c
  56. # [11:54] <UrL> anne if i drop this server after u will quite lost
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  60. # [13:57] * Topic is 'HTML WG weekly 15 May 16:00UTC http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda (logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ ) '
  61. # [13:57] * Set by DanC on Thu May 15 17:25:46
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  64. # [14:55] * myakura is looking at ruby sections, thinks about sending comments
  65. # [14:56] <Dashiva> By all means
  66. # [14:57] <myakura> yeah. but before doing that, i need to translate the pubnotes :(
  67. # [14:57] <myakura> but excited to see <ruby> in HTML :)
  68. # [14:59] <anne> what's wrong with the ruby stuff?
  69. # [15:04] <myakura> well, "斎藤信男" is a name for person, with "斎藤" for surname and "信男" for givenname
  70. # [15:05] <myakura> to annotate it should be marked up like 斎藤信男<rt>さいとうのぶお</rt> (or can be separated into surname and givenname)
  71. # [15:05] <anne> so the example is wrong?
  72. # [15:06] <myakura> otherwise we'll get 斎 (さい) 藤 (とう) 信 (のぶ) 男 (お) when copied, which isn't helpful that much
  73. # [15:06] <myakura> for this case, i'd say wrong
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  75. # [15:10] <myakura> if we wanna have ruby text for each letters, we need some markup that groups the base text (in this case "斎藤信男")
  76. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> I wonder what Ruby we should use for └|∵|┐♪┌|∵|┘
  77. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> or for (^з^)-☆
  78. # [15:11] <myakura> heh
  79. # [15:12] <myakura> yeah, we need text alternatives for those smilies :)
  80. # [15:14] * myakura wonders if there's any good article that tells about mono-ruby and group-ruby in english
  81. # [15:15] <Dashiva> myakura: I was actually thinking about that earlier in #whatwg. Something like 斎藤信男<rt>さい<rt>とう<rt>のぶ<rt>お so it could assign each rt to one character, but it would display as a single block in fallback
  82. # [15:17] <anne> MikeSmith, so are you going to reboot?
  83. # [15:19] <myakura> Dashiva: that wouldn't work if ruby text spans two base chars (e.g 東京駅<rt>tokyo<rt>station)
  84. # [15:19] <Dashiva> myakura: Hixie mentioned maybe adding a span attribute to <rt> so it could span multiple characters
  85. # [15:20] <myakura> Dashiva: then that works :)
  86. # [15:20] <Dashiva> But that's just an idea, it might not be feasible in practice
  87. # [15:20] <myakura> hmm, ruby annotation also has @rbspan
  88. # [15:22] <myakura> i wanna suggest <ruby> can only contain one <rt>, but i'm afraid then people start marking up each letter with <ruby>...
  89. # [15:39] <MikeSmith> anne: not going to reboot
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  92. # [17:26] * aaronlev tries in vain to catch up with what's happening on the web these days
  93. # [17:28] <anne> given that it's been discovered we have infinite Web pages, that might take a while :)
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  98. # [17:55] <Philip> anne: But the infinite number of pages are generated deterministically from a finite amount of input data, so it's not that bad
  99. # [17:55] * tlr wouldn't be so sure about "deterministically"
  100. # [17:57] <anne> Math.random()!
  101. # [17:57] <Philip> Everything is deterministic if you take "input data" to be sufficiently broad :-p
  102. # [17:57] <Philip> (like including whatever the RNG is seeded with)
  103. # [17:58] * tlr doesn't feel like throwing quantum mechanics around........
  104. # [17:58] <tlr> (or weather reporting sites, for that matter)
  105. # [17:59] <Philip> Weather reporting sites (over a finite time period) produce web pages based on finite input data
  106. # [18:00] <Philip> so if you knew exactly what weather reports were fed into the site, you could determinstically determine all the web pages it was going to generate
  107. # [18:00] * tlr thinks we're about to come to the finite number of atoms in the universe, and therefore the finite amount of information that can ever be stored.
  108. # [18:01] <tlr> whatever, philosophical ratholing
  109. # [18:01] <Philip> It'd be easier to say our hypothetical web browser crashes if you give it pages larger than 2^32 bytes, so there's only a finite number of possible web pages to consider
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  113. # [20:30] * anne e-mails the HTML list about <ruby> additions
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  118. # [21:23] <anne> that worked out rather well :)
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  126. # [22:42] <Hixie> re the ruby -- i took the example from the ruby spec, if you have a better example please let me know!
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