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  17. # [10:28] <anne> MikeSmith, hmm, http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080610/ is still single-page
  18. # [10:28] <anne> MikeSmith, with a wrong multi-page link
  19. # [10:29] <MikeSmith> dammit
  20. # [10:29] <MikeSmith> thanks for heads up
  21. # [10:29] <MikeSmith> will fix it now
  22. # [10:30] <MikeSmith> ?
  23. # [10:30] <MikeSmith> it's multipage on my end
  24. # [10:31] <hsivonen> it's multipage for me too
  25. # [10:31] * matt sees http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080610/ as multipage as well. didn't look at multi-page link (slow connection)
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  27. # [10:32] <MikeSmith> maybe mirroring issue
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  29. # [10:32] <matt> s/multi-page/single-page/ and now I've tried that and it seems right too.
  30. # [10:35] <anne> hmm, caching...
  31. # [10:35] <anne> sorry
  32. # [10:36] * hsivonen sees some interesting v.nu crash logs
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  38. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: btw, for htmldiff output, e.g., http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080610/diff/semantics.html
  39. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> v.nu gives me "Error: Attribute class not allowed on element ins at this point."
  40. # [10:56] * hsivonen blames third-party schema
  41. # [10:56] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: thanks
  42. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: you're just using Peter's schemas unmodified (at least the content models unmodified), right?
  43. # [10:57] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: modified, but content models unmodified
  44. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> OK
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  49. # [11:07] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: fixed and deployed.
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  51. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: cool, thanks
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  55. # [11:40] <anne> Hixie, the W3C editor's draft is still issued in WD colors and with June 9 as pubdate
  56. # [11:46] <Hixie> oh right
  57. # [11:53] <Hixie> should be fixed soonish
  58. # [11:55] <Hixie> is there a list of the changes mike made?
  59. # [11:55] <Hixie> i'd like to make them in the original file
  60. # [11:57] <anne> it seems that the status of this document section was more or less rewritten
  61. # [12:00] <Hixie> i hope not :-)
  62. # [12:00] <anne> check for yourself
  63. # [12:01] <anne> it doesn't mention anything related to the WHATWG anymore
  64. # [12:01] <Hixie> indeed
  65. # [12:01] <Hixie> wtf
  66. # [12:04] <hsivonen> I don't see WHATWG refs in the january status, either
  67. # [12:05] <Hixie> guess i should pay more attention
  68. # [12:06] <Hixie> this won't happen again
  69. # [12:06] <anne> hsivonen, hmm, true
  70. # [12:12] * Hixie checks in a change to at least slow down the next person who tries to edit the SotD
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  75. # [13:35] <Lachy> MikeSmith, re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2008May/0108.html - it's wednesday and you told me to ping you if you still hadn't followed up on it.
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  77. # [13:36] <MikeSmith> Lachy: thanks man
  78. # [13:36] <MikeSmith> I had forgotten
  79. # [13:36] <MikeSmith> I will send him e-mail later tonight
  80. # [13:37] <Lachy> ok, thanks. I'll ping you again tomorrow if you forget.
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  85. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> myakura: thanks for heads-up yesterday about link problems in the published draft
  86. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> I think I've got that fixed now
  87. # [14:44] <myakura> MikeSmith: np :)
  88. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> also, not that for the pubnotes doc, I made changes to the internal IDs
  89. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> to match the ones in the spec
  90. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> which is how I should have had it from the beginning
  91. # [14:45] <MikeSmith> but I hope that doesn't create more/extra work for you in translating
  92. # [14:45] <myakura> heh
  93. # [14:47] <myakura> http://standards.mitsue.co.jp/resources/w3c/TR/2008/NOTE-html5-pubnotes-20080610/ i've not started working on quotations, but the rest is done.
  94. # [14:49] <MikeSmith> great
  95. # [14:49] <MikeSmith> you work fast man
  96. # [14:49] <myakura> well, it was somewhat much harder than every other trans that i've done
  97. # [14:50] <MikeSmith> myakura: really? why?
  98. # [14:50] <MikeSmith> maybe just the suckiness of my prose..
  99. # [14:50] <myakura> might be ;p
  100. # [14:51] * anne finds http://standards.mitsue.co.jp/resources/w3c/TR/2008/WD-html5-diff-20080610/
  101. # [14:51] <anne> cool!
  102. # [14:51] <anne> and also some more here: http://standards.mitsue.co.jp/resources/w3c/
  103. # [14:52] <myakura> well, it's actually a terminology issue. in most cases i couldn't find proper translations for words that are <dfn>'d
  104. # [14:52] <MikeSmith> ah
  105. # [14:54] <MikeSmith> myakura: btw, I had an interesting discussion with Felix Sasaki at lunch today about if/how well RFC 2119 stuff ("should" and "must", etc., language) maps to Japanese
  106. # [14:54] <MikeSmith> he pointed out this to me:
  107. # [14:54] <MikeSmith> http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~cyfis/rfc/format/rfc2119_ja.html
  108. # [14:55] <MikeSmith> and this: http://www.fxis.co.jp/xmlcafe/tmp/rec-xml.html#sec-terminology
  109. # [14:55] <myakura> oh that's really interesting.
  110. # [14:58] <myakura> when i translate paragraphs with those keywords, i do as "blah しなければなりません (MUST)."
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  113. # [15:01] <MikeSmith> myakura: yeah, ーなければならない seems pretty standard for spec cases
  114. # [15:01] * myakura wondered if he's ever read rfc2119 that carefully
  115. # [15:02] <MikeSmith> but doesn't stand out as obviously as a MUST
  116. # [15:02] <myakura> right.
  117. # [15:02] <MikeSmith> I mean, when you are scanning through the doc to see that the requirements are
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  130. # [16:35] * anne finds http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0098.html
  131. # [16:37] <Lachy> anne, there was a short discussion about that in #waf earlier today
  132. # [16:37] <anne> I was disconnected from that channel
  133. # [16:38] <Lachy> didn't find out the reason for DanC leaving the position though, but apparently he's been quite busy with a lot of other stuff recently
  134. # [16:39] <Dashiiva> What's hidden behind the secret, I wonder
  135. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:35] <ArtB> MikeSmith - a new co-Chair of HTML WG. Yippee!
  136. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:38] <MikeSmith> ArtB: yeah. My official title is now "Special Missions Subsection Junior Interim Co-Chief"
  137. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:38] <MikeSmith> for which I understand the abbreviation in some particular language is "JACKASS"
  138. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:39] <MikeSmith> so that's all very fitting
  139. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:40] <Lachy> MikeSmith, was there an announcement about you becoming the new co-chair somewhere that I missed?
  140. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:41] <ArtB> lachy, see <http://www.w3.org/mid/1213186988.12667.19.camel@localhost>
  141. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:41] <Lachy> how come DanC resigned from the position?
  142. # [16:40] <Lachy> [14:45] <MikeSmith> Lachy: I think DanC will be making a statement to group later. he would have before now, but for the fact that he took some time off to do some things -- for one thing, traveling down to the hurricane Katrina area to help people rebuild their homes (and lives..)
  143. # [16:40] <Lachy> that's from #waf
  144. # [16:41] <Dashiiva> Oh
  145. # [16:41] <Dashiiva> I wonder what language :)
  146. # [16:52] <zcorpan> not swedish
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  153. # [17:14] <anne> hsivonen, I think definitionURL http://www.w3.org/TR/MathML2/chapter4.html#id.4.3.2.3 is a non-feature
  154. # [17:16] <hsivonen> anne: indeed. supporting it for completeness costs only one interned string for table-driven implementations, though
  155. # [17:17] <anne> I tend to think that the real solution is to remove it from MathML
  156. # [17:17] <hsivonen> anne: have you sent email to the math wg yet? :-)
  157. # [17:21] <anne> nope
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  163. # [17:44] <anne> Hixie, a lot of your ZZZ comments can be removed btw
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  220. # [23:16] * jgraham experiences extreme cognitive dissonance as he agrees with a Philip TAYLOR post to public-html
  221. # [23:16] * gsnedders looks curiously
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  223. # [23:18] <jgraham> gsnedders: It was only about the confucion over whether DanC is no longer chair on a permanent or temporary basis. My reading of the IRC logs and Hixie's message is that it is a permanent change, my reading of DanC's message is that it may be temporary
  224. # [23:19] <gsnedders> Yeah, I saw.
  225. # [23:19] * gsnedders goes back to being confused by HTML 5
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  227. # [23:21] <jgraham> Any particular part of HTML5?
  228. # [23:21] <gsnedders> jgraham: Creating an outline
  229. # [23:22] <jgraham> gsnedders: Oh, fair enough. That bit is confusing (but less so than it used to be)
  230. # [23:22] <jgraham> gsnedders: It would be cool to get some generic testcases for it :)
  231. # [23:23] <gsnedders> jgraham: I could write some, if I understood what the hell it did. Well, I understand that, but not how :)
  232. # [23:24] <jgraham> gsnedders: Uave you tried implementing it to see if it makes more sense as you go along?
  233. # [23:24] <gsnedders> jgraham: I'm trying to implement it, and getting stuck trying, from not understanding :)
  234. # [23:24] <Hixie> i rewrote the outline bit right?
  235. # [23:24] <Hixie> to make more sense?
  236. # [23:24] <Hixie> does it still not make sense?
  237. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Hixie: Yeah
  238. # [23:24] <Hixie> :-/
  239. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Hixie: Yeah
  240. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Hixie: And yeah.
  241. # [23:25] <jgraham> gsnedders: Do you have a specific question?
  242. # [23:25] <gsnedders> jgraham: I'm sending feedback as we speak
  243. # [23:25] <Hixie> i suck.
  244. # [23:25] * gsnedders hugs Hixie
  245. # [23:25] <gsnedders> (damnit! I'm proving zcorpan's point)
  246. # [23:25] <jgraham> This isn't #whatwg-emo you know
  247. # [23:25] * gsnedders was waiting for that
  248. # [23:25] <Hixie> it's not even #whatwg!
  249. # [23:26] <gsnedders> #html-wg-emo!
  250. # [23:26] * jgraham puts on some Joy Division to add to the mood
  251. # [23:26] * gsnedders is listening to The Flame Of Youth by DragonForce from Inhuman Rampage
  252. # [23:26] <gsnedders> (Which, I guess, isn't emo)
  253. # [23:27] <gsnedders> Hixie: If you want something simple to fix, s/which which/with which/
  254. # [23:29] <Hixie> thx
  255. # [23:34] * gsnedders manages to reference black voodoo in his email
  256. # [23:34] * gsnedders sends his email
  257. # [23:35] * gsnedders bullies people into answering it
  258. # [23:40] <Hixie> oh. re:public-html. wow i am confused.
  259. # [23:42] <Hixie> why would dan announce that mike was chair after mike was no longer chair?
  260. # [23:42] <Hixie> seems like that would be a pointless announcement...
  261. # [23:42] <gsnedders> Futility is useful.
  262. # [23:42] <billmason> Because the WG doesn't have enough controversies.
  263. # [23:43] <Hixie> the announcement to w3c-ac-members makes it sound like it's still ongoing
  264. # [23:43] <Hixie> if it really was just for last week then the w3c needs to get its act together in terms of doing things faster
  265. # [23:43] <jgraham> Dan'e email makes it sound like he doesn't know what is happening either
  266. # [23:44] <gsnedders> What's the diff. between the outline and the section created in "When entering a sectioning content element or a sectioning root element"?
  267. # [23:44] <smedero> http://twitter.com/dckc/statuses/831374913
  268. # [23:44] <smedero> Dan's last Twitter msg said he was back in the office...
  269. # [23:45] <Hixie> well as soon as my mail is working again i'll be sure to apologise for adding to the confusion
  270. # [23:45] <Hixie> apparently though my mail has decided that it need not work today
  271. # [23:45] <gsnedders> Bad Hixie, bad!
  272. # [23:45] <Hixie> sigh
  273. # [23:45] <gsnedders> Now, can you make sense of what you wrote? :P
  274. # [23:45] <jgraham> My computer has decided to start beeping at me for no obvious reason
  275. # [23:46] <gsnedders> jgraham: Isn't it calming?
  276. # [23:46] <jgraham> not really. It just gives the impression that something has got too enthusiastic about trying to grab my attention
  277. # [23:47] <gsnedders> jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham jgraham !
  278. # [23:47] <Hixie> my computer is beeping at me every 30 seconds twice because pine is letting me know my imap server is not responding
  279. # [23:48] <Hixie> can't work without e-mail. time to shower and go to work and eat and the like. bbl.
  280. # [23:50] <gsnedders> Copying and pasting text from HTML 5 is leading to some rather long comments
  281. # [23:59] <gsnedders> ERGH
  282. # [23:59] * gsnedders is dumb
  283. # Session Close: Thu Jun 12 00:00:00 2008

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