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  57. # [09:39] <Lachy> MikeSmith, yt?
  58. # [09:42] <Lachy> MikeSmith, why didn't public-html-bugzilla receive any mail about bug 5768? It should be receiving New bug notifications and resolution changes.
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  60. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> Lachy: dunno
  61. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> I'll check
  62. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> Lachy: the list appears to have not been getting any bug mail since Monday
  63. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> probably because I was over-aggressive in turning down the cases it receives mail for
  64. # [09:56] <MikeSmith> shit
  65. # [09:56] <MikeSmith> I see exactly what I screwed up
  66. # [09:56] <MikeSmith> fixing it now
  67. # [09:56] <Lachy> what did you do?
  68. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> had stuff set for Cc instead of "QA Contact"
  69. # [09:57] <Lachy> ok
  70. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> public-html-bugzilla@w3.org is the default QA contact for all issues
  71. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> thanks for the heads-up
  72. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> sorry for missing mail from last few days
  73. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> I can forward to the list if you want
  74. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> I get Cc'ed on it all directly
  75. # [09:58] <Lachy> yeah, thanks. I don't like having incomplete archives. How much did I miss?
  76. # [09:59] <Hixie> oh maybe that's why rb hasn't been posting on the bugs
  77. # [10:00] <MikeSmith> Lachy: will look back and see
  78. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> 23 messages
  79. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> will try bouncing one now and see if that works
  80. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> if it don't, I'll start forwarding them instead
  81. # [10:04] <Lachy> There's a way to resend mail so it appears if its coming from the original sender.
  82. # [10:04] <Hixie> yeah that's what mike meant by "bounce"
  83. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> only problem is that W3C mail server doesn't usually let me do it
  84. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> it checks the envelope address
  85. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> or something
  86. # [10:05] <Lachy> ah, ok.
  87. # [10:06] <Lachy> I thought the term bounce just meant to send back an delivery failure to the sender. But that wouldn't make sense in context.
  88. # [10:07] <Hixie> it might be a pine-ism
  89. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> hmm, seems to have work.. except that I appear to have bounced it to public-html@w3.org instead of public-html-bugzilla@w3.org.. trying again
  90. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> mutt-ism is my case, but probably inherited from pine
  91. # [10:10] <Lachy> MikeSmith, did you just bounce bug 5758? Now I have a dupe.
  92. # [10:11] <Lachy> 5768 was the missing one
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  97. # [10:17] <MikeSmith> Lachy: just bounced 5768, 5766, 5759
  98. # [10:17] <MikeSmith> lemme know if they show up
  99. # [10:17] <takkaria> they're in the archives already
  100. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> cool
  101. # [10:19] <MikeSmith> and I see zcorpan issue showed up in archives too
  102. # [10:19] <MikeSmith> so I seem to have the e-mail prefs for the bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org set the right way now
  103. # [10:20] <Lachy> MikeSmith, they showed up
  104. # [10:20] <MikeSmith> groovey
  105. # [10:21] <Lachy> but Thunderbird isn't threading those messages properly for some reason.
  106. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> wow, that was quick (bug 5769)
  107. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> that's got to be a record of some kind
  108. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> maybe we can get in the Guiness Book
  109. # [10:27] <Hixie> i'm trying to keep my bug list to zero
  110. # [10:27] <Hixie> i will continue to do so until i get overwhelmed
  111. # [10:28] <Hixie> at which point i'll likely just stop responding to bugs until i'm done with e-mail
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  113. # [10:31] <Lachy> so that means your giving a higher priority to bugzilla than to 2 year old whatwg emails now?
  114. # [10:33] <Lachy> I just thought it would go into the same queue and be dealt with whenever you were working on the relevant section.
  115. # [10:38] <Hixie> i'm primarily dealing with the url stuff right now
  116. # [10:39] <Hixie> but i'm allowing bugzilla input to be a priority override so that i don't lose my sanity over the url stuff which is really boring :-)
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  141. # [14:37] <MikeSmith> cool. p01 got wrote up at Ajaxian
  142. # [14:37] <anne> all the time :)
  143. # [14:38] <MikeSmith> Dion should make a special "p01" section at Ajaxian for him
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  187. # [19:12] * DanC puts some effort into curbing Dmitry's enthusiasm for advanced proposals. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2008Jun/0106.html
  188. # [19:14] <smedero> you mean implementors aren't knocking down your door asking to rip out <canvas> in favor of <scene>?
  189. # [19:15] <hsivonen> Canvas 3D seemed imminent at XTech 2006, but then it hasn't shipped :-/
  190. # [19:17] <Philip> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7171 could count as shipping, at least in the sense that you can download and run it
  191. # [19:18] <Philip> though I think it's quite horridly insecure, unless it improved significantly since I last looked at it
  192. # [19:18] <hsivonen> Philip: insecure as in easy to exhaust resources or insecure as in easy to make OpenGL read past the end of buffer?
  193. # [19:19] <Philip> hsivonen: I intended the latter meaning, though the former meaning is probably true too
  194. # [19:19] <hsivonen> ok
  195. # [19:20] <Philip> It seems to me like it's currently slightly too early for Canvas 3D to succeed, since not enough people have sufficiently decent hardware support
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  206. # [21:31] <Lachy> MikeSmith, re dealing with Dmitry, et al. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2008Jun/0110.html - it would be better to find a way that doesn't let them be fooled into believing anyone is going to take them seriously.
  207. # [21:32] <Lachy> although, as to why he hasn't figured it out for himself yet, I have no idea.
  208. # [21:33] <gsnedders> Lachy: Just goes to prove there _are_ madder people than myself
  209. # [21:34] <Lachy> gsnedders, yes, there are some... But not many. :-)
  210. # [21:34] <gsnedders> :)
  211. # [21:34] <Dashiva> gsnedders: You're just emo, not mad ;)
  212. # [21:35] <smedero> www-html does seem like a better place for vetting "what-if" enhancements.
  213. # [21:35] <Lachy> gsnedders isn't an emo. He's been seen smiling in photos.
  214. # [21:35] <smedero> heh.
  215. # [21:35] <gsnedders> Lachy: Quite a few people at school would call me emo :P
  216. # [21:36] * gsnedders notes he is currently wearing all black :P
  217. # [21:37] <Dashiva> Lachy: He said so himself earlier, even
  218. # [21:37] <smedero> "I wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself" was a t-shirt I once coveted (when my old house had a lawn I had to regularly maintain)
  219. # [21:37] <Lachy> from Emo wikipedia entry: "The term "emo" is sometimes stereotyped with tight jeans on males and females alike, long fringe (bangs) brushed to one side of the face or over one or both eyes, dyed black, straight hair, tight t-shirts"
  220. # [21:38] <Lachy> From what I know about gsnedders, that description doesn't seem to fit.
  221. # [21:38] * hsivonen notes that in Finnish, "emo" means a female animal that has offspring
  222. # [21:38] <gsnedders> hsivonen: Well, that's not me.
  223. # [21:39] <Lachy> gsnedders, so no offspring yet?
  224. # [21:39] <Lachy> :-)
  225. # [21:39] <gsnedders> Lachy: Well, the first and last parts are true, my hear is just crazy :)
  226. # [21:39] <gsnedders> *hair
  227. # [21:39] <gsnedders> hair became hear? what on earth!?
  228. # [21:39] <gsnedders> Lachy: despite what I said at <http://gsnedders.com/sixteen>, no :P
  229. # [21:40] <gsnedders> I don't try to be emo, anyway :P
  230. # [21:56] <Hixie> the other way of dealing with suggestions like <scene> is to ask that they use the same process we use for every new feature
  231. # [21:57] <Hixie> namely http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#Is_there_a_process_for_adding_new_features_to_the_spec.3F
  232. # [22:01] <hsivonen> Hixie: have you seen the xml-dev threads about Dmitry's SQL stuff?
  233. # [22:01] <hsivonen> Hixie: people got annoyed at "Get implementors to commit to implementing the feature."
  234. # [22:02] <Hixie> elaborate?
  235. # [22:02] <Lachy> hsivonen, where's the xml-dev archive?
  236. # [22:02] * hsivonen looks up URLs
  237. # [22:03] <Lachy> Hixie, there are some people who seem to think that the spec should dictate what implementers do, not the other way around.
  238. # [22:03] <Hixie> there are also people who believe in unicorns
  239. # [22:03] <hsivonen> Lachy: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/
  240. # [22:03] <Hixie> as i said in #whatwg, back in the world of actual real spec development...
  241. # [22:03] <Lachy> great, the search for that list is broken.
  242. # [22:04] <hsivonen> Hixie: apparently database vendor didn't want to be bothered
  243. # [22:04] <beowulf> who doesn't believe in unicorns!
  244. # [22:04] <Hixie> hsivonen: i don't really have enough background to know what happened
  245. # [22:05] * Philip crazily suggests that the spec and implementors should progress together harmoniously, rather than either dictating to the other
  246. # [22:05] <hsivonen> first this http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200709/msg00389.html
  247. # [22:05] <hsivonen> but then later different
  248. # [22:05] <Lachy> LOL. "To be honest, it's a bit like walking up to Boeing and Airbus with some sketches of a new plane and asking them to build it. We can wish you luck, but we won't be placing our bets on it."
  249. # [22:06] <hsivonen> http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200805/msg00087.html
  250. # [22:07] <hsivonen> the message indicating that db vendors rejected was posted to public-html as well
  251. # [22:09] <Hixie> well now i'm hurt
  252. # [22:09] <Hixie> i thought he was _our_ special troll
  253. # [22:09] <Hixie> but it turns out he's been cheating on us!
  254. # [22:09] <hsivonen> Hixie: with the Unicode people too!
  255. # [22:09] <Hixie> lord
  256. # [22:09] <smedero> Dmitry gets around, Hixie....
  257. # [22:10] <smedero> unicode, xml, sql, html... I think he nagged IETF about something for a while
  258. # [22:11] <hober> It seems to me that there's enough history of his trolling to warrant unvoicing him on public-html
  259. # [22:12] <Lachy> hah! "Phone interview with Microsoft recruiter from Seatle [...] shows, that i speak english not enough well"
  260. # [22:12] <Lachy> :-)
  261. # [22:14] <smedero> I'm not sure if I'd be happier knowing that Dmitry is real (his enthusiasm... misguided as it is... is still refreshing) or if he's actually an alter-ego intent on mocking the standards communities.
  262. # [22:14] <Lachy> I'm actually surprised his posts have been largely ignored people people on public-html, in comparison with the amount of discussion he generates elsewhere.
  263. # [22:15] <Lachy> maybe we just have too many of our own problems to deal with to be bothered by his
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  265. # [22:25] <Lachy> krijnh, yt?
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  271. # [22:51] <gsnedders> Lachy: @alt is far more interesting :)
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  274. # [23:49] <krijnh> Lachy: Yes
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  276. # [23:57] <Lachy> krijnh, it was asked on public-webapps if there was a way to prevent something being logged in your IRC logs
  277. # [23:57] <krijnh> Yeah, see #whatwg
  278. # [23:57] <Lachy> ah, ok.
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