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  49. # [05:23] * Topic is 'HTML WG telcon 05 June 16:00Z | http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda | this channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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  109. # [15:04] <jgraham_> Did Steve Faulkner just remove the standrad CCs from buf 5807? I wonder if that was intentional...
  110. # [15:07] <jgraham_> s/buf/bug/
  111. # [15:12] <gavin> kind of hard to do unintentionally...
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  114. # [15:32] <Steve_f> jgrahm:Did Steve Faulkner just remove the standrad CCs from buf 5807? I wonder if that was intentional...
  115. # [15:32] <Steve_f> i did it intentionally, but mistakenly, what i was trying to do was reply to your comment
  116. # [15:32] <Steve_f> not realising that i could just use the "reply" link
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  118. # [15:33] <gavin> ah - trying to reply directly to james via bugzilla?
  119. # [15:34] <Lachy> Steve_f, could you add the CCs back?
  120. # [15:34] <Steve_f> yes will do
  121. # [15:34] <Steve_f> gavin:yes
  122. # [15:34] <gavin> I see
  123. # [15:35] <Steve_f> rather than to everyone
  124. # [15:35] <Steve_f> which i thought was the protocol
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  126. # [15:36] <Philip> Steve_f: The "reply" link is basically the same as the normal comment form, so it'll still notify the people in the CC list; but those people added themselves to the CC list because they want to follow the bug's activity, so it's best to leave them in there
  127. # [15:37] <Philip> And public-html@w3.org is in the list but it's set up to ignore comments, so if you add a comment then it won't be forwarded to the list
  128. # [15:37] <Steve_f> thanks it was my inability to undesrtand how to use it
  129. # [15:37] <Philip> (public-html only receives notifications of new bugs, I believe)
  130. # [15:38] <Philip> Bugzilla is certainly not the most user-friendly system ever designed :-)
  131. # [15:39] <Philip> (I don't mean it's badly designed - it's just designed for goals other than solely user-friendliness)
  132. # [15:40] <jgraham_> Steve_f: It's OK, almost no-one understand how to use bugzilla :)
  133. # [15:40] <gavin> I think it's badly designed ;)
  134. # [15:42] <Steve_f> have added thre email addresses back in, but had to resend the bug note each time ?!
  135. # [15:43] <Steve_f> ans it resent it to public html for the 3rd time....
  136. # [15:44] <Philip> Steve_f: It sends to public-html whenever public-html is added or removed from the CC list
  137. # [15:44] <Steve_f> ok make a complete hash of it, but think its back to where it should be.
  138. # [15:44] <Philip> Looks fine to me now :-)
  139. # [15:46] <Philip> Does anyone know if you can add multiple CC addresses at once, like by separating them with commas or something?
  140. # [15:46] <jgraham_> Steve_f: Thanks :)
  141. # [15:46] <Steve_f> think i need to go and have a lie down after the trauma of bugzilla
  142. # [15:46] <gavin> Philip: you can
  143. # [15:47] <gavin> with commas, yes
  144. # [15:47] <Steve_f> jgraham:np, my bad
  145. # [15:47] <Philip> gavin: Okay, that sounds good (though not entirely obvious from the UI) :-)
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  151. # [16:03] <hsivonen> do we have a policy not to CC public-html in Bugzilla? (if we don't, we probably should have)
  152. # [16:06] * hsivonen now sees the logs
  153. # [16:06] <Philip> hsivonen: public-html is CCd by default, but set to not receive emails for most bug actions
  154. # [16:06] <Lachy> hsivonen, public-html is only CC'd for new messages
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  156. # [16:07] <Lachy> all followup discussion goes to public-html-bugzilla
  157. # [16:07] <hsivonen> public-html is CCed in http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5807
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  159. # [16:08] <Lachy> hsivonen, it's CC'd on all bugs, but MikeSmith set the preferences so it doesn't receive all bug mail
  160. # [16:08] <hsivonen> aah. it's in the CCs normally but doesn't get mail
  161. # [16:09] <hsivonen> ignore my remarks
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  179. # [18:04] <oedipus> mikeTMsmith and ChrisW - i will be monitoring the IRC channel, but am attending the Protocols & Formats face 2 face meeting which starts at the same time as the HTML call
  180. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> OK.
  181. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
  182. # [18:04] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  183. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  184. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  186. # [18:04] * oedipus thanks, Chris
  187. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  188. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  189. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference
  190. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2008
  191. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> Chair: ChrisWilson
  192. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> zakim, code?
  193. # [18:05] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ChrisWilson
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  195. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> dunno why I asked, I have this one in muscle memory...
  196. # [18:05] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the pohone?
  197. # [18:05] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dsinger.
  198. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.425.467.aabb
  199. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  200. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> zakim, Microsoft is me
  201. # [18:05] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  202. # [18:05] <smedero> Zakim, +1.425.467.aabb is me
  203. # [18:05] <Zakim> +smedero; got it
  204. # [18:05] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the phone?
  205. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see jcraig, +2, ??P19, smedero, ChrisWilson
  206. # [18:06] <Joshue> P19 is Josh
  207. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aacc
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  209. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> zakim, P19 is Joshue
  210. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
  211. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P19 is Josh
  212. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Josh; got it
  213. # [18:06] <Julian> Zakim, +59.251.280 is me
  214. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+59.251.280'
  215. # [18:06] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280 is me
  216. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  218. # [18:06] * oedipus should i add my "regrets+" -- i'm only IRC monitoring due to conflict with PF face2face
  219. # [18:07] <Zakim> -jcraig
  220. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is on the phone?
  221. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see +2, Josh, smedero, ChrisWilson, Julian
  222. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aadd
  223. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, mute +2
  224. # [18:07] <Zakim> +2 should now be muted
  225. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> weird, MikeSmith isn't showing up on the phone list
  226. # [18:07] <Joshue> Steve Faulkner won't make it today and sends his regrets.
  227. # [18:08] <Zakim> +jcraig
  228. # [18:08] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita, Steve_Faulkner
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  230. # [18:08] <dsinger> zakim, jcraig is dsinger
  231. # [18:08] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  232. # [18:09] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the phone?
  233. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see +2 (muted), Josh, smedero, ChrisWilson, Julian, +1.218.340.aadd, dsinger
  234. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> zakim, unmute +2
  235. # [18:09] <Zakim> +2 should no longer be muted
  236. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> zakim, drop +2
  237. # [18:09] <Zakim> +2 is being disconnected
  238. # [18:09] <Zakim> - +2
  239. # [18:10] <Laura> +1.218.340 is Laura
  240. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's here?
  241. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh, smedero, ChrisWilson, Julian, +1.218.340.aadd, dsinger
  242. # [18:10] <Zakim> On IRC I see aroben, kgiff, deane, Laura, Zakim, ChrisWilson, dsinger, Joshue, hober, Lachy, oedipus, billmason, timelyx, xover, smedero, hsivonen, rking3_, tH, ROBOd, Dashiva,
  243. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> take up review of agenda planner: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  244. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... jgraham, Julian, zcorpan, jmb, heycam, mjs, marcos_away, gavin_, krijn, Navarr, Shunsuke, MikeSmith, gsnedders, trackbot, gavin, Hixie, RRSAgent, takkaria, deltab, Philip,
  245. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... beowulf, Yudai, drry, shepazu, DanC, inimino, matt, jeremy, t
  246. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Scribenick: MikeSmith
  247. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Scribe: MikeSmith
  248. # [18:10] <Joshue> +2 may have been me!
  249. # [18:10] <dsinger> zakim, +1.218.340.aadd is laura
  250. # [18:10] <Zakim> +laura; got it
  251. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Topic: Convene meeting and review action items
  252. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> first action pending review: 54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
  253. # [18:11] <Joshue> Can +2 be undropped?
  254. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> (Gregory's item)
  255. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Topic: Action-54
  256. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> action-54?
  257. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-54
  258. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-06-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  259. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
  260. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> Joshue, were you +2?
  261. # [18:11] <Joshue> @Chris, I may have been.
  262. # [18:11] <Joshue> Can't hear anything now..
  263. # [18:11] <Joshue> I will ring back in maybe?
  264. # [18:12] <Laura> For action 54 we are still waiting for a reply from the PFWG for Action Item 54 regarding several issues:
  265. # [18:12] <Laura> http://tinyurl.com/48uyqv
  266. # [18:12] <Laura> http://tinyurl.com/3v68tn
  267. # [18:12] <Laura> guidance.
  268. # [18:12] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0205.html
  269. # [18:12] <Laura> No timeline was given in Al's email. Request for an Action Item 54 time extension until there is a response from the PFWG.
  270. # [18:12] * DanC realizes he's late; oops...
  271. # [18:12] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-BOS
  272. # [18:12] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  273. # [18:12] <Zakim> +DanC
  274. # [18:13] <DanC> action-54?
  275. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-54
  276. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-06-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  277. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
  278. # [18:13] <Zakim> + +2
  279. # [18:13] <Joshue> +2 is Josh
  280. # [18:14] <Julian> Zakim, +2 is Joshue
  281. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
  282. # [18:14] <oedipus> GJR notes that he has reminded the PFWG that it is the group whose review is pending
  283. # [18:14] <oedipus> GJR trying to get issue addressed today at face2face, but is last day with a heavy agenda
  284. # [18:15] <Laura> Thanks, Gregory.
  285. # [18:15] <oedipus> thank, YOU, laura
  286. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: Action-23
  287. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> action-23?
  288. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-23
  289. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-06-21 -- OPEN
  290. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
  291. # [18:16] <DanC> action-23?
  292. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-23
  293. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-06-21 -- OPEN
  294. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
  295. # [18:16] <ChrisWilson> GJR: yes, I noted that we are discussing later today and moved date.
  296. # [18:16] <oedipus> thanks, ChrisW!
  297. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> any issues people want to discuss?
  298. # [18:18] <DanC> q+ to bring up error handling in URIs
  299. # [18:18] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  300. # [18:18] <DanC> action-32?
  301. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-32
  302. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Michael(tm) Smith to change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something else, eventually -- due 2008-01-24 -- CLOSED
  303. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32
  304. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: Action-32
  305. # [18:18] <DanC> action-56?
  306. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-56
  307. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Chris Wilson to chris Wilson to work with MikeSmith and DanC on (re)plan of action for forms coordination with Forms WG -- due 2008-06-26 -- OPEN
  308. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56
  309. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: Action-66
  310. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: Action-56
  311. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> action-56
  312. # [18:18] * RRSAgent sees no action items
  313. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> action-56?
  314. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-56
  315. # [18:19] <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Chris Wilson to chris Wilson to work with MikeSmith and DanC on (re)plan of action for forms coordination with Forms WG -- due 2008-06-26 -- OPEN
  316. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56
  317. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> Joshue: want to extend this to the 24th of July
  318. # [18:19] * DanC would prefer topics like "table headers" to opaque numbers
  319. # [18:19] * oedipus GJR second's DanC's preference
  320. # [18:20] * oedipus er, pardon the apostrophe
  321. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> Joshue: waiting for formal response from PFWWWG
  322. # [18:20] <Joshue> We are also awaiting a response from PF
  323. # [18:20] <Laura> Headers Wiki Page
  324. # [18:20] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders
  325. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> q?
  326. # [18:20] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  327. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> Topic: URI error handling
  328. # [18:20] <ChrisWilson> ack Dan
  329. # [18:20] <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to bring up error handling in URIs
  330. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  331. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> DanC: URI error handling seems to be what the editor is working on
  332. # [18:21] <Laura> @ Table Summary Wiki Page
  333. # [18:21] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
  334. # [18:21] <Laura> Advice Request to PFWG
  335. # [18:21] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Jun/0073.html
  336. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> ... it looks like this is a case where browsers do something different than what the specs say ...
  337. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> ... particular case relates to non-ascii chars in URIs ...
  338. # [18:22] <Joshue> Laura has already started working on updating the wiki in relation to @summary. I am organising user tests with screen reader users who will use test cases/real world data tables that use @summary. I hope to offer vidoe footage of the tests to the WG
  339. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> ... Hixie has made some test material available ...
  340. # [18:22] <oedipus> [fyi] TAG "Finding" on Associating Resources with Namespaces (25 June 2008) - http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
  341. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> ... I would like to get confirmation that browsers do what has been said ...
  342. # [18:22] <DanC> ... http://esw.w3.org/topic/UriTesting#preview
  343. # [18:23] <DanC> ... http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
  344. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> related discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2008Jun/thread.html#msg2
  345. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> q?
  346. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  347. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> DanC: I can volunteer to give test results for one browser. Any volunteers to test other browsers?
  348. # [18:24] <Julian> I can run with IE, which test?
  349. # [18:24] <ChrisWilson> http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
  350. # [18:24] <DanC> all the tests in http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
  351. # [18:24] <Julian> All of them? :-) Arg.
  352. # [18:25] <ChrisWilson> :P
  353. # [18:25] <Julian> Will try.
  354. # [18:25] <DanC> darn; the expected results aren't crystal clear to me in all cases.
  355. # [18:25] <DanC> maybe I'll mail Ian
  356. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: DanC, can you work with Hixie to see what the expected results are?
  357. # [18:26] <ChrisWilson> Any other issues before we take up forms?
  358. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> ACTION: DanC to work with Hixie to confirm what expected results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests
  359. # [18:26] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  360. # [18:26] * RRSAgent records action 1
  361. # [18:26] <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Work with Hixie to confirm what expected results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-07-03].
  362. # [18:26] <ChrisWilson> OK, forms (based on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56)
  363. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> Topic: Forms in HTML
  364. # [18:27] <gsnedders> AFAIK the point of those tests is to find out what browsers do to document it, therefore they have no expected results
  365. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: we have in our charter a requirement related to forms, had a Forms TF that so far has not produced any resolutions
  366. # [18:28] <DanC> I gather he's found out and has expected results in mind as he writes the spec, gsnedders
  367. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> ... It would be better at this point to include Web Forms 2.0 in the HTML5 spec ...
  368. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> ... so that we have some stated direction ...
  369. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> ... rather than not having a stated direction at all ...
  370. # [18:29] <Philip> (On the subject of tests, though otherwise entirely off-topic, http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html was recently updated and shows how browsers are doing at <canvas>)
  371. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> DanC: my comment is that there are some parts of WF 2.0 that I think we should put in, and some parts we should omit
  372. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> ... e.g., repetition templates ...
  373. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: form data types are important
  374. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: how should we proceed on evaluating what parts of WF 2.0 that should be included and which can possibly be omitted?
  375. # [18:31] <DanC> +1 poll on a section basis
  376. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: I would suggest we put out a poll for incorporating the various sections of WF 2.0
  377. # [18:33] * gsnedders bets someone will complain that we're subverting the entire W3C process by not waiting for the chartered TF to finish
  378. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> q+ to suggest using comment part of poll to allow people to note which parts to omit
  379. # [18:33] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  380. # [18:33] <ChrisWilson> gsnedders: chartered TF runs out next week, doesn't it?
  381. # [18:34] <gsnedders> ChrisWilson: Yeah, true. And they'll have failed to produce their chartered deliverable
  382. # [18:35] <ChrisWilson> ACTION DanC to produce poll
  383. # [18:35] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  384. # [18:35] <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Produce poll [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-07-03].
  385. # [18:35] <gsnedders> ChrisWilson: Actually, all the charter says is, "The Forms Task Force expects to be done by July 2008."
  386. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: DanC will take a stab at writing up poll on forms, ChrisWilson and MikeSmith will review
  387. # [18:37] <MikeSmith> ack MikeSmith
  388. # [18:37] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to suggest using comment part of poll to allow people to note which parts to omit
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  393. # [18:38] <DanC> I had in mind ~4 items
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  395. # [18:39] <ChrisWilson> q?
  396. # [18:39] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  397. # [18:39] <Julian> uri tests in IE: I see a script error for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/015.html...
  398. # [18:40] <ChrisWilson> Take up pending review issues:
  399. # [18:40] <Philip> Julian, which version of IE?
  400. # [18:40] <Julian> Philip: IE7
  401. # [18:40] <MikeSmith> Topic: Issues pending review
  402. # [18:40] <ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
  403. # [18:40] <ChrisWilson> style-attribute
  404. # [18:41] <DanC> issue-3?
  405. # [18:41] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-3
  406. # [18:41] <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- conformance of element level style attributes -- RAISED
  407. # [18:41] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
  408. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> Topic: issue-3 style-attribute
  409. # [18:42] <Julian> q+
  410. # [18:42] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  411. # [18:42] <Julian> q-
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  414. # [18:44] <DanC> this seems worth an "any objections?" mail to the WG.
  415. # [18:44] <DanC> (whee! an actual design decision!)
  416. # [18:44] <Zakim> -dsinger
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  418. # [18:45] <Zakim> +dsinger
  419. # [18:45] <dsinger> oops
  420. # [18:45] <Joshue> Gotta go. Thanks.
  421. # [18:45] <ChrisWilson> Bye
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  423. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Joshue
  424. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> Topic: issue-20, Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5 spec
  425. # [18:48] <Laura> Editor added Headers to the spec
  426. # [18:48] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0215.html
  427. # [18:49] <MikeSmith> DanC: I tried a related test case with v.nu and it gave me a thumbs down
  428. # [18:50] <MikeSmith> ... it appears to consider @headers on td to be valid, but not on @th
  429. # [18:51] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: we will discuss table headers at PFWG f2f meeting this week
  430. # [18:51] <ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32 is table summary issue
  431. # [18:51] <MikeSmith> Topic: issue-32 Include a summary attribute for tables?
  432. # [18:51] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: we can take this back to PFWG and get a clearer problem description
  433. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> Topic: issue-41 Decentralized extensibility
  434. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: David Orchard made a proposal, Ian rejected with note that it was by design that HTML5 does not provide a decentralized extensibility mechanism
  435. # [18:55] * DanC wierd... my browser has lost its marbles...
  436. # [18:59] <Julian> +1 on what Chris is saying
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  439. # [18:59] <MikeSmith> q+ to suggest that I don't see how this proposed mechanism could be implemented without added namespace support to text/html, if we are required to be consistent with Web Architecture
  440. # [18:59] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  441. # [19:00] <ChrisWilson> ack
  442. # [19:00] <ChrisWilson> ack MikeSmith
  443. # [19:00] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to suggest that I don't see how this proposed mechanism could be implemented without added namespace support to text/html, if we are required to be consistent
  444. # [19:00] <Zakim> ... with Web Architecture
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  450. # [19:03] <ChrisWilson> ack Julian
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  454. # [19:04] <DanC> ah... found it... this is why I think it's Ian's considered opinion, and not a misunderstanding, that he doesn't consider it cost-effective to take on distributed extensibilty: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0205.html " we actively want to make sure that
  455. # [19:04] <DanC> people can't willy nilly extend the language without coordination with
  456. # [19:04] <DanC> anyone interested in the development of the language"
  457. # [19:04] <DanC> I think distributed extensibility is valuable, but the cost is pretty high... maybe too high.
  458. # [19:05] * DanC is late for his next call now...
  459. # [19:06] <Julian> q+
  460. # [19:06] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  461. # [19:06] <ChrisWilson> ack Julian
  462. # [19:06] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  463. # [19:07] <ChrisWilson> Julian: could reserve hooks for future
  464. # [19:07] <ChrisWilson> Adjourn?
  465. # [19:07] <ChrisWilson> ADJOURNED.
  466. # [19:07] <dsinger> cheers, guys
  467. # [19:07] <Zakim> -Julian
  468. # [19:07] <Zakim> -smedero
  469. # [19:07] <Laura> bye
  470. # [19:07] <Zakim> -dsinger
  471. # [19:07] <Zakim> -Josh
  472. # [19:07] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
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  474. # [19:07] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  475. # [19:07] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
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  477. # [19:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, bye
  478. # [19:08] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were ChrisWilson, smedero, +49.251.280.aacc, Josh, Julian, dsinger, laura, DanC, Joshue
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  480. # [19:08] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  481. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
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  483. # [19:09] * DanC Zakim, drop dan
  484. # [19:09] <ChrisWilson> Thanks for scribing, Mike.
  485. # [19:10] <MikeSmith> ChrisWilson: thanks for chairing
  486. # [19:10] <gsnedders> Thanks for being awesome, all.
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  488. # [19:12] <ChrisWilson> heheh
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  505. # [21:12] <smedero> DanC: in the case of the URI testing - where should one log their results? public-html? wiki?
  506. # [21:12] <takkaria> public-html seems sensible
  507. # [21:14] <DanC> public-html is fine for now; if you put them somewhere else, mail a pointer
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