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  1. # Session Start: Fri Sep 19 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  12. # [01:40] <pimpbot> html5: http://xrl.us/orj99 WF2: Prepare the document for autofocus=''. (whatwg r2215) input http://tinyurl.com/4y7vkz HTMLButtonElement http:// ...
  13. # [01:44] <Hixie> oh lordy
  14. # [01:44] * Hixie updates his /ignore list
  15. # [01:53] <pimpbot> html5: http://xrl.us/orka4 Try to restructure the section on focus to be more understandable. (whatwg r2216) 6.6 The text selection APIs http:/ ...
  16. # [01:54] <mjs> wtf is pimpbot?
  17. # [01:54] <Philip> I would expect it's related to MikeSmith
  18. # [01:55] <gsnedders> First name Mike, middle name (tm), last name Smith.
  19. # [02:19] <MikeSmith> pimpbot is a visitor. I can end his visit if people find him anoying
  20. # [02:19] <MikeSmith> annoying
  21. # [02:21] <Hixie> i muted his reports of my checking things in, since i already get mailed every time i run my checkin script, and getting an irc notification that someone is talking about html5 would just be irritating :-), so for me he's a non-issue, and he might prove useful :-)
  22. # [02:23] <MikeSmith> OK
  23. # [02:24] <MikeSmith> anyway, I need to remove the "html5:" part cause it doesn't serve any purpose
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  25. # [02:26] <Hixie> d'oh
  26. # [02:26] <Hixie> noooo
  27. # [02:26] <Hixie> that's the part i use to know to ignore the line
  28. # [02:26] <Hixie> i guess i can trigger on "(whatwg r"
  29. # [02:27] <Hixie> what i'd drop is everything after the (whatwg...) bit
  30. # [02:27] <Hixie> since that will never be really useful on irc
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  35. # [02:34] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah, I'll fix it to truncate after "(whatwg r"
  36. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> I can put some string there instead of "html5"
  37. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> just seems like "html5" on its own is not useful
  38. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> maybe "checkin:" or something
  39. # [02:36] <Hixie> well, html5: is useful if you also monitor workers:
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  41. # [02:36] <Hixie> and/or other specs
  42. # [02:36] <Hixie> like anne's, lachy's, and zcorpan's
  43. # [02:38] <MikeSmith> right now it's just monitoring the html5 spec. I can add others, though I'd guess the would prompt some complaints like "I thought this was the html channel not the blah blah"
  44. # [02:41] <Hixie> you'll quickly end up with pimpbot in multiple channels
  45. # [02:41] <Hixie> it's the normal path a bot creator faces
  46. # [02:42] <MikeSmith> yep
  47. # [02:43] <Hixie> i wish i still had time to play with mozbot
  48. # [02:43] <Hixie> mozbot was fun to hack on
  49. # [02:43] <MikeSmith> anyway, as far as #html-wg goes, there's long stretches where no much gets said here, so I figured pimpbot could help to entertain between the ackward in party conversation
  50. # [02:43] <Hixie> hah
  51. # [02:44] <MikeSmith> Is mozbot python-based?
  52. # [02:44] <Hixie> perl
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  54. # [02:45] <MikeSmith> perl is a better pedigree for bots, I think
  55. # [02:50] * Philip had a bot using Net::IRC but it kept failing to reconnect automatically, and after a few years he gave up restarting it manually
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  57. # [02:54] <Hixie> Net::IRC is buggy as hell, but mozbot worked around most of its bugs
  58. # [02:54] <Hixie> mozbot has awesome features, like you can update its code without restarting and reconnecting
  59. # [02:56] * Philip 's bot did that too :-)
  60. # [02:56] <Philip> (or at least a simplified version, where the main IRC-handling core was static, but you could reload the part that did interesting things in response to messages)
  61. # [02:57] <Hixie> right
  62. # [02:57] <Philip> It never actually did anything useful (except for logging while I was absent), because I couldn't think of anything for it to do other than play noughts-and-crosses
  63. # [02:58] <Hixie> heh
  64. # [02:58] <Hixie> mozbot has a whole bunch of modules
  65. # [02:58] <Hixie> it would probably have had a thriving bot authoring community if i hadn't abandoned it
  66. # [02:59] <Hixie> it may yet have one, every few years someone comes along and volunteers to run it
  67. # [02:59] <Hixie> the project, that is
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  70. # [03:07] <pimpbot> checkin: http://xrl.us/orkfe Move the Scripting section up, so that the form controls and interactive elements are next to each other
  71. # [03:08] <Hixie> ew, color
  72. # [03:10] <MikeSmith> so it should truncate at " (whatwg r" now and I just went with "checkin:" for now
  73. # [03:13] <pimpbot> checkin: http://xrl.us/orkj5 WF2: Define the autofocus='' attribute. Define generic task sources.
  74. # [03:14] * MikeSmith changes topic to 'HTML discussion | This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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  76. # [03:39] <pimpbot> checkin: http://xrl.us/orkku WF2: Define input.readonly.
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  80. # [04:41] <pimpbot> checkin: http://xrl.us/orkmg WF2: Remove inputmode='' -- turns out most handsets support -waf-input- format already, so it's better to just use t ...
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  95. # [08:24] <hsivonen> Hixie: any plans to get the W3C mobile test remove inputmode too?
  96. # [08:24] <Hixie> ?
  97. # [08:26] <hsivonen> Hixie: the non-Acid but kinda-acid Mobile test from the W3C tests inputmode
  98. # [08:26] <Hixie> *shrug*
  99. # [08:26] <Hixie> what standard are they testing?
  100. # [08:29] <MikeSmith> inputmode is in XHTML Basic. I think inputmode was added to the mobile test to encourage browsers to implement support for it
  101. # [08:31] <MikeSmith> I guess it could be argued that XHTML 1.1 should never have gone to Rec without there being any shipping browsers that support inputmode...
  102. # [08:31] <hsivonen> Hixie: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/mobile-test/
  103. # [08:31] <Hixie> no comment
  104. # [08:32] <Hixie> anyway to answer hsivonen's question
  105. # [08:32] <Hixie> i have no intention of taking on that battle, no
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  116. # [10:58] <pimpbot> checkin: http://xrl.us/ormod WF2: Minor tweaks for constraint validation features.
  117. # [10:58] <anne> haha, pimpbot
  118. # [10:59] <anne> with "checkin" colored pink, classic
  119. # [10:59] <MikeSmith> pimpbot likes pink
  120. # [11:06] <anne> lol, Google supports xx-pirate as language
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  127. # [11:25] <pimpbot> checkin: http://xrl.us/ormpc WF2: Define .willValidate
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  159. # [17:21] <anne> MikeSmith, fwiw http://twitter.com/html5 skipped 2222
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  178. # [19:17] <MikeSmith> anne: twitter api seems to drop some messages on the floor now and then
  179. # [19:18] <MikeSmith> either that, or the python api I'm using
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  186. # [21:57] <anne> k
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