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  98. # [17:56] <anne> the telcon is in 10m?
  99. # [17:56] <smedero> yep
  100. # [17:57] <ChrisWilson> yes
  101. # [17:57] <ChrisWilson> no particular topics for today, unless anyone wants to suggest some.
  102. # [17:58] <ChrisWilson> 1
  103. # [17:58] <ChrisWilson> grr
  104. # [17:58] <ChrisWilson> darn switchbox
  105. # [17:58] <anne> there were two suggestions on the mailing list
  106. # [17:59] <Julian> yep, one is anchored at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Sep/0039.html
  107. # [17:59] <pimpbot> Title: Re: rel=CURIE in RDFa, but rel=URI in Link: from Julian Reschke on 2008-09-12 (www-tag@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  108. # [17:59] <anne> and rel=something-without-space-characters in HTML5
  109. # [17:59] <anne> iirc
  110. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> whoops, sorry - if mail isn't cc'ed to me, I'm not guaranteed to read it daily, depending on schedule.
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  113. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-irc
  114. # [18:01] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, this will be html
  115. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, ChrisWilson; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
  116. # [18:01] <ChrisWilson> agenda?
  117. # [18:01] * Zakim sees nothing on the agenda
  118. # [18:01] <smedero> I think someone request an update on @headers but that should've happened anyway since action-72 is on the "agenda items due next week"
  119. # [18:01] <anne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008JulSep/ has the suggestions
  120. # [18:01] <pimpbot> Title: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2008: by date (at lists.w3.org)
  121. # [18:01] <anne> "
  122. # [18:01] <anne> An update on the status of the @headers issue would be good."
  123. # [18:01] <anne> and "Maybe we should shortly discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership."
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  125. # [18:02] <ChrisWilson> (yes, I found them immediately, Anne - I just hadn't been drinking from that firehose yet this morning. :)
  126. # [18:02] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  127. # [18:02] <ChrisWilson> it has?
  128. # [18:02] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aaaa
  129. # [18:02] <Zakim> + +1.425.646.aabb
  130. # [18:02] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  131. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  132. # [18:03] <smedero> Zakim, +1.425.646.aabb is me
  133. # [18:03] <Zakim> +smedero; got it
  134. # [18:03] <anne> ChrisWilson, neh, public-html-wg-announce is a quite place :)
  135. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  136. # [18:03] <ChrisWilson> zakim, Microsoft is me
  137. # [18:03] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  138. # [18:03] <anne> quiet, even :/
  139. # [18:03] <ChrisWilson> oh, I thought you meant it was quite a place, in which case I was going to agree. :)
  140. # [18:03] <anne> :p
  141. # [18:03] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ review tracker
  142. # [18:04] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  143. # [18:04] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  144. # [18:04] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
  145. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ update on status of @headers (should be covered)
  146. # [18:04] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  147. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P3
  148. # [18:04] <anne> Zakim, ??P3 is me
  149. # [18:04] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  150. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership (@Julian)
  151. # [18:04] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
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  153. # [18:05] * ChrisWilson is finishing up an email for 1 minute
  154. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.218.349.aacc
  155. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.408.398.aadd
  156. # [18:06] <Joshue> zakim, code?
  157. # [18:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Joshue
  158. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P8
  159. # [18:07] <Joshue> zakim, ?P8 is Joshue
  160. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, Joshue, I do not recognize a party named '?P8'
  161. # [18:07] <anne> Zakim, ??P8 is Joshue
  162. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
  163. # [18:07] <Joshue> thanks annes
  164. # [18:07] * ChrisWilson taps gavel
  165. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> okay, let's get started
  166. # [18:07] <smedero> Zakim, who's here?
  167. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, smedero, ChrisWilson, anne, +1.218.349.aacc, +1.408.398.aadd, Joshue
  168. # [18:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see Joshue, Laura, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisWilson, aaronlev, Julian, billmason, tH, smedero, aroben, maddiin, myakura, Sander, marcos, anne, gavin_, ROBOd, tlr, heycam,
  169. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... gsnedders, hsivonen, mjs, sryo, jgraham, Hixie, xover, jmb, timelyx, Yudai, gavin, inimino, pimpbot, Shunsuke, Philip, krijnh, matt, Dashiva, deltab, takkaria, beowulf, drry,
  170. # [18:07] * anne wonders who +1.2 and +1.4 are
  171. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> scribe?
  172. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... shepazu, trackbot
  173. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> Any volunteers?
  174. # [18:08] <marcos> zakim, passcode?
  175. # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), marcos
  176. # [18:08] <Joshue> scribenik: Joshue
  177. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> scribenick: Joshue
  178. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, 218.349 is Laura
  179. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named '218.349'
  180. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, 218.349.aacc is Laura
  181. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named '218.349.aacc'
  182. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, +1.218.349.aacc is Laura
  183. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  184. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P1
  185. # [18:09] <marcos> zakim, is me
  186. # [18:09] <Zakim> I don't understand 'is me', marcos
  187. # [18:09] <marcos> zaki, ??P1 is me
  188. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, +1.408.398.aadd is David Singer
  189. # [18:09] <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.408.398.aadd is David Singer', ChrisWilson
  190. # [18:10] * marcos wishes he could type today
  191. # [18:10] <marcos> zakim, ??P1 is me
  192. # [18:10] <Zakim> +marcos; got it
  193. # [18:10] <anne> Zakim, aadd is DaveS
  194. # [18:10] <Zakim> +DaveS; got it
  195. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 1
  196. # [18:10] <Zakim> agendum 1. "review tracker" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  197. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  198. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Issue Tracking - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  199. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> does anyone LIKE pimpbot?
  200. # [18:10] * anne sort of does
  201. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> hmm. OK, then I won't kick it.
  202. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> first item - action-38
  203. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> remand to next week, since Mike isn't here
  204. # [18:11] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
  205. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  206. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  207. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> action-66
  208. # [18:11] * RRSAgent sees no action items
  209. # [18:12] <ChrisWilson> Next item, ACTION-66
  210. # [18:12] <Joshue> ACTION 66 is pretty much done. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/66
  211. # [18:12] * @trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  212. # [18:12] <@trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 66
  213. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-66 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  214. # [18:12] <ChrisWilson> Quick review of wiki page...
  215. # [18:13] <Julian> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
  216. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/SummaryForTABLE - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  217. # [18:13] <Joshue> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
  218. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/SummaryForTABLE - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  219. # [18:13] <Joshue> Thats fine.
  220. # [18:13] <Joshue> Laura: What is the next step then on Action 66?
  221. # [18:14] <Joshue> CW: Have the editor review it or put it out for the group to vote on.
  222. # [18:14] <Joshue> CW: Any suggestion on which route to go on?
  223. # [18:14] <Joshue> asks Laura.
  224. # [18:15] <Joshue> Laura: The editor has already said what he wanted to do, he wants to leave it out.
  225. # [18:15] <Joshue> asks if we would be in deadlock situation?
  226. # [18:15] <Joshue> CW: No, we put it to a poll.
  227. # [18:15] <Joshue> CW: Look to see if there is consensus.
  228. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  229. # [18:15] <Joshue> Josh: Thats fine with me.
  230. # [18:15] <Joshue> Laura: Is that what you would advise?
  231. # [18:16] <Zakim> +[Oracle]
  232. # [18:16] * Parts: ROBOd (robod@89.122.216.38) (http://www.robodesign.ro )
  233. # [18:16] <Joshue> CW: We should ask Ian to read the summary. He should review and see if there are any omissions. Poll is best way.
  234. # [18:16] <Joshue> Laura: Ok
  235. # [18:16] <Zakim> -marcos
  236. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> action: DanC to create poll on issue-32, based on Joshue's page from action-66
  237. # [18:17] * @trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  238. # [18:17] * RRSAgent records action 1
  239. # [18:17] <@trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Create poll on issue-32, based on Joshue's page from action-66 [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-10-02].
  240. # [18:17] <Zakim> -anne
  241. # [18:17] <Joshue> CW: I will raise this issue with Dan.
  242. # [18:17] * Julian wonders who "Oracle" is
  243. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> action-75?
  244. # [18:18] * @trackbot getting information on ACTION-75
  245. # [18:18] <@trackbot> ACTION-75 -- Michael(tm) Smith to raise question to group about Yes, leave @profile out, No, re-add it -- and cite Hixie's summary of the discussion -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
  246. # [18:18] <@trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/75
  247. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-75 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  248. # [18:18] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
  249. # [18:18] <Joshue> CW: I don't think Mike has done anything about this issue.
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  251. # [18:19] <Joshue> CW: Moving @profile to next week.
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  253. # [18:20] <Joshue> CW: It looks like there is a wiki page for ARIA test cases.
  254. # [18:20] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  255. # [18:21] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
  256. # [18:21] <Zakim> +??P3
  257. # [18:21] <anne> Zakim, ??P3 is me
  258. # [18:21] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  259. # [18:21] <Joshue> GJR: There is a wiki at wiki.codetalks.org and the Free ARIA group
  260. # [18:21] <Joshue> CW: Looks like I can close this action item
  261. # [18:21] <Joshue> GJR: Yes.
  262. # [18:21] <Julian> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
  263. # [18:21] <Joshue> CW: Am closing it.
  264. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-23 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  265. # [18:22] <Joshue> GJR: Ok
  266. # [18:22] <ChrisWilson> action-54
  267. # [18:22] <ChrisWilson> action-54?
  268. # [18:22] * @trackbot getting information on ACTION-54
  269. # [18:22] <@trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Chris Wilson to ask PF WG to look at drafted text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-09-26 -- OPEN
  270. # [18:22] <@trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
  271. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-54 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  272. # [18:22] <Joshue> CW: I have two action items that I haven't done yet.
  273. # [18:22] <Laura> We are waiting PF input on our March 25 and April 15 requests for guidance. We are also waiting the outcome of Al's June 13 "CfP process proposal for a special meeting or meetings for fact-finding on issues related to @alt in HTML5".
  274. # [18:22] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/HTMLRequestsPFresponse#head-99ed9f857ba8b7e74e3791d3ff86af0279039495
  275. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/HTMLRequestsPFresponse - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  276. # [18:22] <ChrisWilson> agenda?
  277. # [18:22] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  278. # [18:22] * Julian I guess pimpbot shout not listen to trackbot
  279. # [18:22] * Zakim 1. review tracker [from ChrisWilson]
  280. # [18:22] * Zakim 2. update on status of @headers (should be covered) [from ChrisWilson]
  281. # [18:22] <Laura> After that we should be able to finish our action item 72 to draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements.
  282. # [18:22] * Zakim 3. discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership (@Julian) [from ChrisWilson]
  283. # [18:22] <Laura> First Draft:
  284. # [18:22] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/Action54AltAttribute
  285. # [18:22] <Laura> Second Draft:
  286. # [18:22] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/Action54AltAttributeSecondDraft
  287. # [18:22] <Laura> Third Draft:
  288. # [18:22] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/Action54AltAttributeThirdDraft
  289. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/Action54AltAttribute - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  290. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/Action54AltAttributeSecondDraft - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  291. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/Action54AltAttributeThirdDraft - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  292. # [18:23] <Joshue> CW: PF to look at @alt (that has been done).
  293. # [18:23] <Joshue> CW: The PF has looked at @alt.
  294. # [18:25] <Joshue> GJR: Tomorrow PF has its meeting and we can discuss it there and I will then feedback to the HTML 5 group.
  295. # [18:25] <Joshue> Dave: People are not happy with the curly braces, no breakthough yet.
  296. # [18:25] <ChrisWilson> action: Gregory to come back to with info from PF meeting on alt
  297. # [18:25] * @trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  298. # [18:25] <@trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Gregory
  299. # [18:25] * RRSAgent records action 2
  300. # [18:26] * smedero doesn't believe the curly braces language is in the spec anymore
  301. # [18:26] <ChrisWilson> action: GregoryRosmaita to come back to with info from PF meeting on alt
  302. # [18:26] * RRSAgent records action 3
  303. # [18:26] * @trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  304. # [18:26] <@trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - GregoryRosmaita
  305. # [18:26] <Joshue> Anne: There are no curly braces in the draft at all.
  306. # [18:26] <Joshue> Anne: The draft has changed.
  307. # [18:26] <Laura> The draft is a moving target
  308. # [18:26] <anne> it's a draft :)
  309. # [18:26] <Joshue> GJR: I will post to PF today in advance of discussion.
  310. # [18:27] <ChrisWilson> Draft doesn't need to = erratic moving target, though. :)
  311. # [18:27] <anne> (no curly braces with regard to alt, that is)
  312. # [18:27] <ChrisWilson> action-72?
  313. # [18:27] * @trackbot getting information on ACTION-72
  314. # [18:27] <@trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Chris Wilson to rewrite spec to reinstate id/headers AND their functionality by specifically stating that headers are allowed to reference a td. Reword the current definition of the headers attribute so that each of the space separated tokens must have the value of the ID value of a th or td element. -- due 2008-09-26 -- OPEN
  315. # [18:27] <@trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72
  316. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  317. # [18:28] <Joshue> CW: Lets move to new action, @headers. I have not managed to catch up with it. Am happy to hand it over to someone else. I don't have a strong opinion. It is divisive.
  318. # [18:28] <smedero> ChrisWilson: I think that would be http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders
  319. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/IssueTableHeaders - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  320. # [18:28] <Joshue> CW: We need the same write up as we had for tables.
  321. # [18:28] <Joshue> +q
  322. # [18:28] * Zakim sees Joshue on the speaker queue
  323. # [18:29] <Joshue> Laura: We have a wiki.
  324. # [18:29] <Joshue> CW: I don't know if it covers all perspectives.
  325. # [18:29] <Joshue> was just going to mention wiki
  326. # [18:29] <ChrisWilson> ack Joshue?
  327. # [18:29] * Zakim sees Joshue on the speaker queue
  328. # [18:29] <anne> the wiki seems heavily biased
  329. # [18:29] <anne> e.g. " It is an attempt to circumvent the issue not solve it."
  330. # [18:29] <anne> :/
  331. # [18:30] <Joshue> suggests updating the wiki to ensure it does cover all issues.
  332. # [18:30] <Joshue> CW: The wiki seems biased.
  333. # [18:30] <Joshue> Laura: Members can edit it.
  334. # [18:31] <Joshue> Anne: I am not interested in getting involved.
  335. # [18:31] <Joshue> CW: I would like someone to represent the other view
  336. # [18:31] <Joshue> Anne: It seems that James et al are actively involved.
  337. # [18:32] <Joshue> CW: Should I ask James and Henri to distill their view in wiki?
  338. # [18:32] <Joshue> CW: Maybe model a new wiki on the @summary issue.
  339. # [18:32] <Joshue> CW: With the pros and cons.
  340. # [18:32] <Joshue> +q
  341. # [18:32] * Zakim sees Joshue on the speaker queue
  342. # [18:32] <ChrisWilson> ack joshue
  343. # [18:32] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  344. # [18:33] <Joshue> CW: I would like this not to be biased as much as possible.
  345. # [18:34] <Laura> Smart headers are a good idea, but they're not going to solve relationships to headers with compound data. From what I can make out, to make it work in the inspector, they've turned off smart headers for cells in the middle of the table, as it's not applying the headers to either the row or the column in the example.
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  347. # [18:35] <Joshue> CW: I will follow this up. Get the issues into the wiki and continue discussion until there is a consensus. If opinion is very entrenched then we will have a poll.
  348. # [18:36] <ChrisWilson> issue-28?
  349. # [18:36] * @trackbot getting information on ISSUE-28
  350. # [18:36] <@trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Content type rules in HTML 5 overlaps with the HTTP specification? -- RAISED
  351. # [18:36] <@trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/28
  352. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-28 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  353. # [18:37] <anne> Laura, I thought jgraham said he updated the inspector to fix that bug?
  354. # [18:37] <Julian> not sure
  355. # [18:37] <ChrisWilson> close issue-28
  356. # [18:38] <ChrisWilson> issue-32?
  357. # [18:38] * @trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  358. # [18:38] <@trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- RAISED
  359. # [18:38] <@trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  360. # [18:38] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  361. # [18:38] <Joshue> CW: Dans comment is that the design seems stable. We have not seen new info.
  362. # [18:38] <Laura> anne, not last time I checked it.
  363. # [18:38] <anne> Laura, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0465.html
  364. # [18:39] <pimpbot> Title: Re: function and impacts (was: scope and headers reform) from James Graham on 2008-09-25 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  365. # [18:39] <ChrisWilson> issue-52?
  366. # [18:39] * @trackbot getting information on ISSUE-52
  367. # [18:39] <@trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Resolve XHTML2 WG objections to language in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 -- RAISED
  368. # [18:39] <@trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/52
  369. # [18:39] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-52 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  370. # [18:39] <Julian> re issue-28: I think we'll have to re-open it when it a client that follows RFC2616 becomes non-compliant
  371. # [18:39] <Julian> will have to check that
  372. # [18:39] <ChrisWilson> fair enough
  373. # [18:40] <Joshue> CW: Resolving XHMLT 2 WG objections
  374. # [18:40] <Joshue> Anne: Still awaiting reply
  375. # [18:40] <smedero> MikeSmith responded to XHTML2 WG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0067.html
  376. # [18:40] <pimpbot> Title: Re: changes in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-06-20 (public-xhtml2@w3.org from June 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  377. # [18:40] <Joshue> Anne: Mike Smith emailed them I believe.
  378. # [18:41] <Joshue> Anne: There is no link but am sure mail was sent.
  379. # [18:41] <anne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0036.html
  380. # [18:41] <pimpbot> Title: Re: changes in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-07-31 (public-xhtml2@w3.org from July 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  381. # [18:41] <anne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0037.html
  382. # [18:41] <pimpbot> Title: Re: changes in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 from Roland Merrick on 2008-07-31 (public-xhtml2@w3.org from July 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  383. # [18:42] <Joshue> Anne: There was reply from Stephen Pemberton. Ball in their court.
  384. # [18:42] <ChrisWilson> agenda?
  385. # [18:42] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  386. # [18:42] * Zakim 1. review tracker [from ChrisWilson]
  387. # [18:42] * Zakim 2. update on status of @headers (should be covered) [from ChrisWilson]
  388. # [18:42] * Zakim 3. discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership (@Julian) [from ChrisWilson]
  389. # [18:42] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 1
  390. # [18:42] <Zakim> agendum 1, review tracker, closed
  391. # [18:42] <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  392. # [18:42] <Zakim> 2. update on status of @headers (should be covered) [from ChrisWilson]
  393. # [18:42] <smedero> anne: I can do that
  394. # [18:42] <smedero> (update the issue)
  395. # [18:43] <smedero> anne: It looks like it was on the XHTML2 WG's agenda yesterday to discuss that language: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0017.html
  396. # [18:43] <pimpbot> Title: [XHTML] Agenda 2008-09-24 from Roland Merrick on 2008-09-24 (public-xhtml2@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  397. # [18:43] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 3
  398. # [18:43] <Zakim> agendum 3. "discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership (@Julian)" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  399. # [18:43] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 2
  400. # [18:43] <Zakim> agendum 2, update on status of @headers (should be covered), closed
  401. # [18:43] <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
  402. # [18:43] <Zakim> 3. discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership (@Julian) [from ChrisWilson]
  403. # [18:44] <ChrisWilson> Julian, are you here?
  404. # [18:44] <Julian> q+
  405. # [18:44] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  406. # [18:44] <Joshue> CW: Suggested by Julian.
  407. # [18:44] <ChrisWilson> ack Julian
  408. # [18:44] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  410. # [18:46] <Joshue> Julian: The HTML5 WG and the atom link spec etc can be a URI. XHTML WG has started to query use syntax collision. Rel attribute ownership issue. I am concerned over that.
  411. # [18:48] <Joshue> Nikunj: I have seen discussion. If we do use URi, should we be looking at who own URI assignment. Discussion on decentralisation, short names, who is assigned them. The W3C, the ITF. Julian wishes to discuss syntax position.
  412. # [18:50] <Joshue> GJR: In response, there was a discussion this week to clarify qnames, for URI and not matching. We have had to explain this to XML WG.
  413. # [18:50] <Joshue> s/ query, qnames
  414. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Laura
  415. # [18:50] <Joshue> CW: What action do we want?
  416. # [18:50] <Julian> q+
  417. # [18:50] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  418. # [18:50] <ChrisWilson> ack Julian
  419. # [18:50] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  420. # [18:50] <Joshue> GJR: I am a member of XHTML 2 so I can put this on agenda etc.
  421. # [18:51] <Joshue> Julian: I am concerned about lots of people wanting to put URIs into rel values. potential for clash. XHTML 2 calim to own the syntax for rel. Want to see disambiguation from CURIs/URI.
  422. # [18:52] <Joshue> GJR: Please post query to XHTML 2.
  423. # [18:52] <Joshue> Julian: Yes.
  424. # [18:52] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 3
  425. # [18:52] <Zakim> agendum 3, discuss the issue of "rel" attribute ownership (@Julian), closed
  426. # [18:52] <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
  427. # [18:52] <ChrisWilson> agenda?
  428. # [18:52] * Zakim sees nothing remaining on the agenda
  429. # [18:52] <anne> (though on the other hand it doesn't matter that much, different "rel" attribute after all...)
  430. # [18:52] <Julian> q+
  431. # [18:52] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  432. # [18:52] <ChrisWilson> ack Julian
  433. # [18:52] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  434. # [18:54] <Joshue> Julian: I want to ask, we missed publication of draft last month. Is there a new plan to publish it?
  435. # [18:54] <Joshue> CW: I don't know.
  436. # [18:54] <Joshue> Anne: It was delayed.
  437. # [18:55] <Joshue> GJR: Did Mike set up a poll for @profile?
  438. # [18:55] <Joshue> CW: No
  439. # [18:55] <Joshue> GJR: I though we would vote before publication. Mike had an Action item (75).
  440. # [18:56] <Joshue> CW: We will be up to speed with these issues next week.
  441. # [18:56] <Joshue> GJR: We have to make sure we get this done before TPAC publishing moratorium.
  442. # [18:56] <Joshue> CW: Thinks we are already in it.
  443. # [18:56] <Joshue> GJR: That could be right.
  444. # [18:57] <smedero> Tentative TPAC agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0303.html
  445. # [18:57] <pimpbot> Title: Draft agenda, Oct. 23-24 face-to-face meeting from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-09-10 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  446. # [18:57] <ChrisWilson> any other issues?
  447. # [18:57] <Joshue> Nikunj: Is there an agenda for TPAC?
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  449. # [18:57] <ChrisWilson> move to adjourn
  450. # [18:57] <Julian> bye
  451. # [18:57] <Zakim> -[Oracle]
  452. # [18:57] <ChrisWilson> adjourn
  453. # [18:57] <Zakim> -Julian
  454. # [18:57] <dsinger> thanks
  455. # [18:57] <Zakim> -smedero
  456. # [18:57] <Zakim> -anne
  457. # [18:57] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  458. # [18:58] <Zakim> -DaveS
  459. # [18:59] <Joshue> GJR: 13th October is last date for moratorium.
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  461. # [18:59] <oeddie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0066.html
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  463. # [19:00] <ChrisWilson> wow, that's super-short. Good for us (in trying to post a draft, I mean)
  464. # [19:00] <oeddie> last URI is Ian Jacobs on publication moritorium
  465. # [19:00] <ChrisWilson> I'll follow up with Mike
  466. # [19:00] <Joshue> zakim, please part
  467. # [19:00] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Julian, smedero, ChrisWilson, anne, +1.408.398.aadd, Joshue, Laura, marcos, DaveS, Shepazu, [Oracle], Gregory_Rosmaita
  468. # [19:00] * Parts: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.30)
  469. # [19:00] <Joshue> rrsagent, make minutes
  470. # [19:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html Joshue
  471. # [19:01] <oeddie> rrsagent, make minutes public
  472. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', oeddie. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  473. # [19:01] <oeddie> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
  474. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, oeddie
  475. # [19:01] <Joshue> rrsagent, make minutes public
  476. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', Joshue. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  477. # [19:02] <smedero> rrsagent, draft minutes
  478. # [19:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html smedero
  479. # [19:02] <pimpbot> Title: SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 25 Sep 2008 (at www.w3.org)
  480. # [19:02] <Joshue> meeting, HTML WG Issue Tracking Meeting
  481. # [19:03] <Joshue> chair, Chris_Wilson
  482. # [19:03] <oeddie> meeting: HTML WG Issue Tracking Conference
  483. # [19:03] <oeddie> chair: Chris_Wilson
  484. # [19:03] <smedero> Joshue: I think create, draft, format, generate, make, and publish all work...
  485. # [19:03] <oeddie> rrsagent, make minutes
  486. # [19:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html oeddie
  487. # [19:03] <pimpbot> Title: SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 25 Sep 2008 (at www.w3.org)
  488. # [19:03] <smedero> (and all do the same thing, afaik)
  489. # [19:04] <oeddie> smedero, yes, there are 6 synonyms
  490. # [19:04] <smedero> ok
  491. # [19:04] <Joshue> thanks y'all
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  493. # [19:04] <oeddie> present- +1.408.398.aadd
  494. # [19:04] <oeddie> rrsagent, make minutes
  495. # [19:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html oeddie
  496. # [19:04] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Issue Tracking Conference -- 25 Sep 2008 (at www.w3.org)
  497. # [19:05] <Joshue> bye
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  499. # [19:05] * oeddie need to check for regrets
  500. # [19:05] <smedero> I don't believe any were sent to public-html
  501. # [19:05] <smedero> DanC is at the TAG F2F though
  502. # [19:05] <oeddie> thanks, smedero - do you know who called in from oracle?
  503. # [19:06] <smedero> No, I don't.
  504. # [19:06] <oeddie> me neither - i'll just leave as is
  505. # [19:06] <oeddie> s/query/QNames
  506. # [19:06] <oeddie> rrsagent, make minutes
  507. # [19:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html oeddie
  508. # [19:07] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Issue Tracking Conference -- 25 Sep 2008 (at www.w3.org)
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  510. # [19:08] <oeddie> rrsagent, please part
  511. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-actions.rdf :
  512. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to create poll on issue-32, based on Joshue's page from action-66 [1]
  513. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-irc#T16-11-37
  514. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregory to come back to with info from PF meeting on alt [2]
  515. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-irc#T16-20-06
  516. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> ACTION: GregoryRosmaita to come back to with info from PF meeting on alt [3]
  517. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-html-wg-irc#T16-20-16
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  520. # [19:20] <smedero> Actually I bet Oracle was Nikunj.
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