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  36. # [05:59] <MikeSmith> gavin: are you based in Ottawa?
  37. # [06:00] <gavin_> used to be
  38. # [06:00] <gavin_> I'm from Ottawa, but living in Toronto now
  39. # [06:00] <MikeSmith> ah, Ok
  40. # [06:00] <gavin> why do you ask?
  41. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> I just was asking because SVG WG people have been in Ottawa from the end of last week
  42. # [06:01] <gavin> ah
  43. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> Doug Schepers too
  44. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> was figuring you might meet up with them
  45. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> but not if you're in Toronto..
  46. # [06:03] <gavin_> I'll be in Ottawa weekend after next!
  47. # [06:03] <gavin_> I imagine they'll be gone by then though
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  49. # [06:03] <MikeSmith> gavin_: yeah
  50. # [06:03] <MikeSmith> actually, they may be gone already, now that I think of it
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  86. # [14:37] <anne> is the meeting going through today?
  87. # [14:40] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008OctDec/0000.html
  88. # [14:40] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2008-10-02 from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-10-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  89. # [14:41] <anne> seems like I should try to stay awake then :)
  90. # [14:41] <MikeSmith> anne: yeah, we meeting
  91. # [14:43] <MikeSmith> I'm thinking we should talk on the call a little today about the agenda for the TPAC and if we should do some breakout/un-conference things
  92. # [14:43] <MikeSmith> seems like a few people have said they want to do that
  93. # [14:43] <anne> unconference works for me
  94. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> I think for one thing a get-together to talk about what more can be done to help get HTML+ARIA conformance checking going
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  111. # [18:00] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
  112. # [18:00] * @trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  114. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-html-wg-irc
  115. # [18:00] <@trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  116. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  118. # [18:00] <@trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  119. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
  120. # [18:00] <@trackbot> Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference
  121. # [18:00] <@trackbot> Date: 02 October 2008
  122. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  123. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  124. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  125. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Mike
  126. # [18:01] <Zakim> +smedero
  127. # [18:02] <Zakim> + +49.251.2.aaaa
  128. # [18:02] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.2.aaaa is me
  129. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  130. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  131. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian
  132. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> aaronlev: any chance you can call into today's telcon? to talk about ARIA stuff?
  133. # [18:05] <Zakim> +jcraig
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  135. # [18:05] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the phone?
  136. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, jcraig
  137. # [18:05] <dsinger> jcraig is really [Apple]
  138. # [18:05] <dsinger> Zakim, jcraig is really [Apple]
  139. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Apple]; got it
  140. # [18:05] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the phone?
  141. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple]
  142. # [18:06] * DanC_ Zakim, call DanC-mobile
  143. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, DanC_; the call is being made
  144. # [18:06] <Zakim> +DanC
  145. # [18:06] <Zakim> -DanC
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  147. # [18:06] * DanC_ ?!
  148. # [18:06] * DanC_ Zakim, call DanC-mobile
  149. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, DanC_; the call is being made
  150. # [18:06] <Zakim> +DanC
  151. # [18:06] <smedero> hsivonen is another good person to have around for an ARIA discussion...
  152. # [18:07] * DanC_ Zakim, mute me
  153. # [18:07] * Zakim sorry, DanC_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
  154. # [18:07] * DanC_ Zakim, I am DanC
  155. # [18:07] * Zakim ok, DanC_, I now associate you with DanC
  156. # [18:07] * DanC_ Zakim, mute me
  157. # [18:07] * Zakim DanC should now be muted
  158. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.206.369.aabb
  159. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  160. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple], DanC (muted), +1.206.369.aabb
  161. # [18:08] <CWilso> zakim, +1.206.369.aabb is me'
  162. # [18:08] <Zakim> +me'; got it
  163. # [18:08] <CWilso> zakim, +1.206.369.aabb is me
  164. # [18:08] <Zakim> sorry, CWilso, I do not recognize a party named '+1.206.369.aabb'
  165. # [18:08] <CWilso> grr.
  166. # [18:08] <CWilso> zakim, me' is me
  167. # [18:08] <Zakim> +CWilso; got it
  168. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> heh
  169. # [18:08] <Zakim> -CWilso
  170. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aacc
  171. # [18:08] <CWilso> and then I got so excited I hung up. Sigh
  172. # [18:08] <smedero> lol
  173. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> Zakim, aacc is Laura
  174. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  175. # [18:09] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  176. # [18:09] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
  177. # [18:10] <Zakim> +CWilso
  178. # [18:10] * CWilso will be muted most of this call, since I'm sitting in the car dealer.
  179. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008OctDec/0000.html
  180. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2008-10-02 from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-10-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  181. # [18:11] <Zakim> +??P21
  182. # [18:11] <anne> Zakim, ??P21 is me
  183. # [18:11] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  184. # [18:12] * DanC_ Zakim, who's making noise?
  185. # [18:12] * Zakim DanC_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: anne (59%), Mike (62%)
  186. # [18:12] * DanC_ hears somebody breathing into a mic; Zakim thinks it's anne
  187. # [18:13] <Zakim> +[Oracle]
  188. # [18:13] * DanC_ Zakim, mute anne temporarily
  189. # [18:13] * Zakim anne should now be muted
  190. # [18:13] * Zakim anne should now be unmuted again
  191. # [18:13] * CWilso can't scribe as I may drop out if my car gets done
  192. # [18:13] * DanC_ Zakim, mute anne
  193. # [18:13] * Zakim anne should now be muted
  194. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, pick a scribe
  195. # [18:14] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Oracle]
  196. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, pick a scribe
  197. # [18:14] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose CWilso
  198. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, pick a scribe
  199. # [18:14] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Apple]
  200. # [18:15] * anne oops, sorry DanC_
  201. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith
  202. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> scribenick: MikeSmith
  203. # [18:15] * anne now and forgets to disable the dark side
  204. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: any chance you can call in?
  205. # [18:18] * Quits: gavin_ (gavin@99.253.193.147) (Ping timeout)
  206. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: f2f agenda
  207. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> Nikunj: [comments in general support of unconferencey stuff]
  208. # [18:21] <Zakim> -anne
  209. # [18:21] * anne will call back in later, something weird happened
  210. # [18:21] * CWilso whoops, car's ready. will stay on phone, but dropping off IRC.
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  212. # [18:22] <Julian> MikeSmith: wants to use the F2F to make progress on test cases
  213. # [18:22] <Julian> MikeSmith: proposes joint meeting with TAG
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  215. # [18:23] <Julian> Zakim, +[Oracle] is Nikunj
  216. # [18:23] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+[Oracle]'
  217. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: first part of the morning on Thursday will be a joint f2f discussion with the TAG
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  219. # [18:24] <Julian> Joint meeting with TAG would be great
  220. # [18:24] <smedero> An agenda would be good...
  221. # [18:24] <smedero> as I believe TAG has a number of issues with HTML 5... not sure we can cover them all in a morning session.
  222. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> - Treatment of URLs in the HTML5 specification
  223. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> - Content-type determination
  224. # [18:25] <Julian> q+
  225. # [18:25] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  226. # [18:25] <Julian> q-
  227. # [18:25] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  228. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> also possibly:
  229. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> - Embedding of HTML in other languages
  230. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> - Modularity of the HTML 5 spec
  231. # [18:27] <Julian> - Modularity of spec (wrt other W3C and IETF specs)
  232. # [18:29] <Julian> MikeSmith: explains W3C process with respect to advancing the spec and resolving issues with the TAG and the Director
  233. # [18:30] <Julian> - relation to XHTML
  234. # [18:30] <Julian> ?
  235. # [18:31] <Zakim> +??P6
  236. # [18:31] <anne> Zakim, ??P6 is me
  237. # [18:31] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  238. # [18:31] <anne> Zakim, mute me
  239. # [18:31] <Zakim> anne should now be muted
  240. # [18:31] <Laura> PFWG F2F topics of potential interest:
  241. # [18:31] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0512.html
  242. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: minor tweak to FYI PFWG F2F topics of potential interest from Al Gilman on 2008-09-30 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  243. # [18:31] <Laura> Al specifically asked to discuss tables with PF at the F2F:
  244. # [18:31] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0362.html
  245. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: function and impacts (was: scope and headers reform) from Al Gilman on 2008-09-14 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  246. # [18:36] <Julian> MikeSmith: desire of authors to use ARIA as currently implemented with HTML4 and validate it
  247. # [18:37] <Julian> MikeSmith: Henri's validator.nu already does it for HTML5 (using RelaxNG+Java)
  248. # [18:37] <Julian> MikeSmith: some people want DTD-based validation though
  249. # [18:38] <Julian> MikeSmith: also more work needs to be done to describe precise semantics of ARIA in HTML
  250. # [18:39] <MikeSmith> q?
  251. # [18:39] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  252. # [18:39] <Laura> The idea of a extension or bookmarklet for ARIA seems good.
  253. # [18:39] <Laura> Henri's suggestion of serializing the DOM and sending it to an external service could work equally as well. But it doesn't have to be his service.
  254. # [18:39] <Laura> The Web Developer extension in Firefox has an option to validate the local HTML, and that works by sending the generated source to the validator, which is the same idea.
  255. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> q?
  256. # [18:43] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  257. # [18:46] <MikeSmith> Topic: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  258. # [18:46] <pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Issue Tracking - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  259. # [18:47] <Laura> Chris: Last week for action 72 @headers, you mentioned that you would "follow this up. Get the issues into the wiki and continue discussion until there is a consensus. If opinion is very entrenched then we will have a poll."
  260. # [18:47] <Laura> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20080925#l-347
  261. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: IRC logs: w3c / #html-wg / 20080925 (at krijnhoetmer.nl)
  262. # [18:47] <Laura> The Wiki has been updated to try to cover all perspectives.
  263. # [18:47] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders
  264. # [18:47] <Laura> I also invited James and Henri's input.
  265. # [18:47] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0506.html
  266. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/IssueTableHeaders - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  267. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: Re: headers Wiki page from Laura Carlson on 2008-09-30 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  268. # [18:48] <MikeSmith> anybody have comments or question about open actions/issues in the Tracker dashboard page at the URL above?
  269. # [18:48] <smedero> Laura, is that poll mention in http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/76 ?
  270. # [18:48] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-76 - HTML Issue Tracking Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  271. # [18:48] <smedero> ahh, that's the @summary..
  272. # [18:48] <Laura> Al asked discuss tables at the F2F
  273. # [18:49] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0362.html
  274. # [18:49] <pimpbot> Title: function and impacts (was: scope and headers reform) from Al Gilman on 2008-09-14 (public-html@w3.org from September 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  275. # [18:49] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  276. # [18:49] <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple], DanC (muted), Laura, CWilso, [Oracle], anne (muted)
  277. # [18:51] <Nikunj> Zakim, [Oracle] is me
  278. # [18:51] <Zakim> +Nikunj; got it
  279. # [18:52] <smedero> q+ Publishing status?
  280. # [18:52] * Zakim sees Publishing, status? on the speaker queue
  281. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> ack smedero
  282. # [18:54] * Zakim sees Publishing, status? on the speaker queue
  283. # [18:54] <Julian> q+
  284. # [18:54] * Zakim sees Publishing, status?, Julian on the speaker queue
  285. # [18:55] <smedero> SM: I remember the Sept. publishing goal was pushed back ... and I think we're now in the publishing moratorium?
  286. # [18:55] <Zakim> -CWilso
  287. # [18:55] * anne agrees with Julian
  288. # [18:57] <anne> MS: There are ongoing internal discussions that haven't been resolved yet
  289. # [18:57] <anne> MS: We're not going to publish before TPAC
  290. # [18:57] <anne> s/publish/publish the HTML5 draft/
  291. # [18:58] <anne> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  292. # [18:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-html-wg-minutes.html anne
  293. # [18:58] <Laura> regrets+ Joshue
  294. # [18:58] <anne> RRSAgent, make logs public
  295. # [18:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, anne
  296. # [18:58] <Laura> regrets+ Cynthia
  297. # [18:58] <Zakim> -DanC
  298. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Nikunj
  299. # [18:59] <Zakim> -smedero
  300. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Julian
  301. # [18:59] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  302. # [18:59] <MikeSmith> [adjourned]
  303. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Laura
  304. # [18:59] <Zakim> -anne
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  306. # [18:59] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  307. # [18:59] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  308. # [18:59] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  309. # [18:59] <Zakim> Attendees were Mike, smedero, Julian, [Apple], DanC, CWilso, +1.218.340.aacc, Laura, anne, Nikunj
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