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  19. # [03:44] <pimpbot> planet: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2 <http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/10/06/updates-for-ajax-in-ie8-beta-2.aspx>
  20. # [03:47] <Philip> You've got to love window.attachEvent("onmessage", HandleMessage);
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  56. # [12:46] <takkaria> I assume DOM storage
  57. # [12:46] <takkaria> in IE is still using "begin" and "commit"
  58. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> takkaria: might be able to tell by look at code examples in http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie8b2ajaxhol/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=1566
  59. # [12:58] <takkaria> the example doesn't use them
  60. # [13:04] <Philip> I thought they were optional anyway
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  63. # [13:30] <anne> the paper does say
  64. # [13:30] <anne> "For example, try the onstorage and onstoragecommit events to experiment with state across tabs, after the data has been confirmed to be committed."
  65. # [13:31] <anne> storagecommit is not an event defined by HTML5
  66. # [13:31] <anne> and sounds very much like the async API they had before
  67. # [13:31] <anne> i.e. embrace & extend
  68. # [13:34] <takkaria> lovely
  69. # [13:38] <anne> I did ask a few things about IE8: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/10/06/updates-for-ajax-in-ie8-beta-2.aspx#8983381
  70. # [13:38] <pimpbot> Title: IEBlog : Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2 (at blogs.msdn.com)
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  72. # [13:39] <anne> I suppose testing it and documenting what they're doing (whether intentional or or not) is next... hopefully tomorrow
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  99. # [18:03] <annevk_win32> ok, MSDN is more helpful than those introductory documents from Microsoft
  100. # [18:03] <annevk_win32> localStorage and sessionStorage appear to be synchronous
  101. # [18:05] <annevk_win32> the storage event is dispatched at the Document object rather than "the body element" as HTML5 suggests
  102. # [18:06] <annevk_win32> the storagecommit event is proprietary and indicates when information has actually been written to disk (some XML format, I suppose they implement this on top of their existing "large cookies")
  103. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> @tell ChrisWilson please ping me when you arrive
  104. # [18:08] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: You got it, player.
  105. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> @notes
  106. # [18:08] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: I currently have notes waiting for ChrisWilson and mjs.
  107. # [18:08] <annevk_win32> when iterating through localStorage or sessionStorage I get key() results, but also "length" and "remainingSpace"
  108. # [18:09] <annevk_win32> it seems to me that's a bug (and "remainingSpace" is proprietary)
  109. # [18:18] <annevk_win32> unless I'm missing something the event also doesn't implement the correct attributes
  110. # [18:20] <annevk_win32> it has uri rather than url, source is null
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  112. # [18:21] <annevk_win32> key, oldValue, and newValue are missing
  113. # [18:21] <annevk_win32> it seems to implement the MouseEvent interface...
  114. # [18:22] <annevk_win32> it has screenX, screenY, keyCode, etc.
  115. # [18:22] <annevk_win32> (type does say "storage", fwiw)
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  118. # [18:53] <annevk_win32> so Access-Control-Allow-Origin: some origin does not work :/
  119. # [18:54] <annevk_win32> http://annevankesteren.nl/test/ie/xdomainrequest/ has tests
  120. # [18:54] <pimpbot> Title: Index of /test/ie/xdomainrequest (at annevankesteren.nl)
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  135. # [22:45] <shepazu> Hixie: you there?
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  137. # [22:47] <shepazu> is there something in WF2 that allows you to automatically disable a submit button after it's been pressed, to prevent multiple submissions (as for purchases)? or maybe to specify how often a submit can be pressed per pageload?
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  139. # [22:50] <mjs> hi
  140. # [22:50] <Hixie> shepazu: yo here
  141. # [22:51] <shepazu> Hixie: ^^
  142. # [22:51] <Hixie> shepazu: onsubmit="submit.disabled = true" on the <form> element, assuming the submit button has name=submit
  143. # [22:51] <shepazu> Hixie: ah, excellent
  144. # [22:51] <Hixie> but that will break if people hit the back button
  145. # [22:52] <shepazu> oh. well, that still solves the greater number of use cases
  146. # [22:52] <Hixie> the better solution is for the user agent to automatically disable the back button while the form the button is associated with has a form submission in progress that it intended to load in the same browsing context
  147. # [22:52] <hsivonen> Purchases should be POST and browsers warn the user when attempting to replay a POST
  148. # [22:52] <Hixie> that too
  149. # [22:53] <shepazu> yeah, that would be a more sophisticated solution
  150. # [22:53] <shepazu> ok, thanks, just wanted to make sure that that fairly common use case was covered
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  153. # [22:55] * shepazu supposes he could have simply read the wf2 spec... :)
  154. # [22:56] <Hixie> the wf2 spec is about to be decomissioned
  155. # [22:56] <Hixie> i'm about 65% done with integrating the forms stuff into html5
  156. # [22:57] <gsnedders> Hixie: Bought the dynamite yet?
  157. # [22:57] <shepazu> is the whole thing going in, or are you changing parts?
  158. # [22:58] <Hixie> there are a number of things in wf2 that are being initially dropped and a smaller number that are being changed, usually in subtle and unimportant ways
  159. # [22:58] <Hixie> but who knows what the long-term situation will be
  160. # [23:00] <mjs> yay for integrated forms
  161. # [23:01] * shepazu is curious about current state of implementation
  162. # [23:01] <shepazu> I guess I'll find out soon enough
  163. # [23:02] <Hixie> opera 9 has a pretty comprehensive wf2 implementation
  164. # [23:02] <Hixie> other than that, webkit as type=range and autofocus
  165. # [23:03] <Hixie> most uas have autocomplete
  166. # [23:03] <Hixie> that's it for new stuff, i think
  167. # [23:07] <shepazu> k
  168. # [23:09] <Hixie> i demo much of the new forms stuff 41 minutes into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIxDJof7xxQ
  169. # [23:09] <pimpbot> Title: YouTube - HTML 5: Features you want desperately but still can't use (at www.youtube.com)
  170. # [23:09] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/demos/2008-sept/widgets/
  171. # [23:10] <pimpbot> Title: Index of /demos/2008-sept/widgets (at www.whatwg.org)
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