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  49. # [11:23] <Stevef> henry: was just chatting to mike, i see this as an important question- if we want to have aria conforming when used with html5 what will be required by HTML5 to be in the aria spec to achieve this?
  50. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: ↑
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  52. # [11:24] <anne> it's Henri fwiw
  53. # [11:24] <anne> also, Hixie already said what was required, no?
  54. # [11:25] <hsivonen> Stevef: clear (and sensibly non-empty) conformance criteria both for UAs and authoring
  55. # [11:26] <hsivonen> by non-empty I mean that clearly hte expectation of the PF about UA behavior is something more than what the PF have put in the spec
  56. # [11:27] <MikeSmith> It seems like it would be useful to have a discussion with RichS and Michael Cooper about what needs to be added to the spec
  57. # [11:27] <MikeSmith> (they're the editors, as I recall)
  58. # [11:27] <Stevef> hsivonen: I think i understand, but i didn't get that the PF are going to provide that, I think it would be useful to have is a few roles/properties documented in a form that would pass the the criteria, is it possible to provide this or help me to do so?
  59. # [11:28] <MikeSmith> maybe aaronlev can help with making it clear what needs to be done, as far as spec'ing out the UA conformance criteria
  60. # [11:28] <hsivonen> there has been progress on stuff getting written down
  61. # [11:29] <hsivonen> but it's written down outside the document that is being advanced along the REC track
  62. # [11:29] <MikeSmith> ah
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  64. # [11:30] <Stevef> ok so the stuff aaron is doing is the way it needs to go
  65. # [11:30] <MikeSmith> well, then it seems like that needs to be incorporated into the actual spec
  66. # [11:30] <hsivonen> Stevef: I don't have strong opinion on the title of the document that lays out the criteria
  67. # [11:30] <Stevef> so it dosn't need to be in the spec?
  68. # [11:30] <hsivonen> but if it's not the ARIA spec, then HTML5 should probably reference the doc that actually contains the info
  69. # [11:30] * hsivonen summons Hixie
  70. # [11:31] <hsivonen> I'll move back to the PF room now
  71. # [11:31] <Stevef> wehther html5 references aria is not important is it? rather that the use of ARIA is conformant in HTML5
  72. # [11:32] <anne> I wonder what the ARIA spec is then? lol
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  75. # [11:32] <Stevef> anne: thats a question for the editors
  76. # [11:33] <anne> I haven't followed exactly, but it seems that if the ARIA spec does not actually define ARIA it's mostly moot
  77. # [11:33] * Hixie looks up
  78. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> hsivonen, Stevef : I'm on my way up to the PFWG room now too
  79. # [11:33] <anne> where is the PF room guys? I have some time
  80. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> anne: upstairs, next to CSS WG
  81. # [11:34] <Stevef> esterel updtairs
  82. # [11:34] <MikeSmith> Hixie: if you have time also, would be great
  83. # [11:34] * Hixie is in the pf room
  84. # [11:34] <MikeSmith> ah
  85. # [11:35] <Lachy> is the PFWG discussing HTML stuff now?
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  88. # [11:39] <MikeSmith> Lachy: yeah
  89. # [11:39] * anne has until 1:30 and needs lunch at some point
  90. # [11:55] * karl heard someone saying "lunch"… yummm
  91. # [11:55] * gsnedders is hungry
  92. # [12:00] * karl remembers suddenly about the tradition of eating the youngest member of the crew on a boat. Fortunately we have actual food. No grilled gsnedders today.
  93. # [12:00] <gsnedders> :)
  94. # [12:00] * gsnedders means to go into town to get some stuff
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  97. # [12:24] <gsnedders> Does anywhere know where I can buy some shower gel?
  98. # [12:24] <Lachy> the shop
  99. # [12:24] <gsnedders> which?
  100. # [12:24] <Lachy> Woolworths
  101. # [12:24] <gsnedders> Where's that?
  102. # [12:24] <Lachy> Australia
  103. # [12:24] <gsnedders> :)
  104. # [12:25] <Lachy> oh, so you want a local store?
  105. # [12:25] <gsnedders> Let me rephrase my question…
  106. # [12:25] <gsnedders> Where in Mandelieu can I buy a bottle of shower gel?
  107. # [12:25] <gsnedders> At which shop?
  108. # [12:26] <Lachy> Le Shoppe
  109. # [12:26] <Lachy> excuse my poor french
  110. # [12:26] <gsnedders> Non, le magisan
  111. # [12:26] <gsnedders> Maybe la, I think le.
  112. # [12:26] <Lachy> wtf?
  113. # [12:27] <gsnedders> "The shop", en français
  114. # [12:27] <Lachy> ok
  115. # [12:27] <Lachy> look up a shopping centre on google maps
  116. # [12:29] <gsnedders> Meh. Pharmacies (which would at least sell such things in GB) and banks are a fair distance apart
  117. # [12:31] <gsnedders> karl: You around on IRC?
  118. # [12:31] <karl> yes
  119. # [12:32] <gsnedders> karl: Would a pharmacy in France sell shower gel?
  120. # [12:33] <karl> if you go to pharmacy in France, you will get only drugs. pharmacy = medical stuff only. or expensive body care stuff.
  121. # [12:33] <karl> you will find body care in any kind of small supermarket
  122. # [12:33] <karl> There should be one around Mandelieu La Napoule.
  123. # [12:33] <karl> which
  124. # [12:33] <gsnedders> That's what I was guessing, mainly
  125. # [12:33] <karl> is on the left when you go outside the hotel
  126. # [12:33] <Lachy> Can you buy Lynx shower gel in France?
  127. # [12:34] <Lachy> or it might be called Axe here
  128. # [12:34] <karl> Lachy: no idea, I usually don't care about brands
  129. # [12:34] <Lachy> ok. I do when it comes to some things
  130. # [12:34] <karl> but Axe indeed will be available in pretty much all supermarket I believe
  131. # [12:35] <Lachy> good. I can stock up before I go to Norway, where they surprisingly don't seem to have the shower gel, only the deoderant
  132. # [12:36] <karl> ah
  133. # [12:36] <gsnedders> Just remember to not have it in handluggage
  134. # [12:36] <Lachy> I know. I have sufficient space in my checked in luggage to take back lots of stuff
  135. # [12:36] <karl> gsnedders: you can try to ask someone who is staying at the hotel to get one of his shower stuff
  136. # [12:37] <karl> I'm pretty sure rooms are loaded with it
  137. # [12:37] <anne> karl, will reply later to your questions
  138. # [12:37] <anne> karl, seems we're going to lunch now
  139. # [12:37] * karl is not staying at the pullman
  140. # [12:37] <karl> anne, no worries.
  141. # [12:37] <karl> take your time.
  142. # [12:39] <gsnedders> karl: :)
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  144. # [12:39] <gsnedders> karl: I'd need stuff for Sunday morning in Scotland too, and I only arrive home at around 11pm
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  153. # [13:06] <pimpbot> planet: Normative References to Moving Targets are Dangerous <http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/10/normative-references-conformance.html>
  154. # [13:12] * Philip wonders if Unicode counts as a moving target
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  159. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> pimpbot, tell hsivonen Henri, please ping me when you get back online
  160. # [13:49] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: You got it, player.
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  165. # [14:05] <anne> hmm, W3C mirrors bite me again
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