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  93. # [10:09] <aaronlev> which is the actual plenary channel?
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  95. # [10:10] <smedero> aaronlev: #tp and #tpchat
  96. # [10:11] <aaronlev> thanks smedero
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  122. # [11:28] <MikeSmith> smedero, gsnedders - finding these two folks talking behind us to be kinda annoying
  123. # [11:28] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: me too
  124. # [11:28] <MikeSmith> looks like they've quieted down
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  128. # [11:30] <smedero> but yes, they piped down finally
  129. # [11:33] <mjs> is today the plenary day?
  130. # [11:34] <smedero> yes
  131. # [11:34] * mjs is curious what will transpire and regrets he couldn't come
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  133. # [11:34] <smedero> if you care to follow -- channels: #tp, #tpchat
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  135. # [11:34] <smedero> you missed the web arch discussion... and i don't think tpchat is logged (where some of the interesting back channel discussion happened.)
  136. # [11:35] <smedero> err... there's an web audio stream somewhere
  137. # [11:36] <smedero> #tp minutes (member-only): http://www.w3.org/2008/10/22-tp-minutes.html
  138. # [11:36] <Hixie> http://media.w3.org:8000/tpac-2008.ogg
  139. # [11:36] <DanC_lap> member only? the record will eventually be public.
  140. # [11:37] <smedero> sure, just saying that for now
  141. # [11:37] <smedero> that link is member only
  142. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> CWilso: you around?
  143. # [11:37] <smedero> might be an oops, but I can't look at it
  144. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> CWilso: n'er mind
  145. # [11:37] <Hixie> just saw cwislo headed for the back of the plenary room
  146. # [11:37] <Hixie> wilso
  147. # [11:37] * DanC_lap checks to ses why it's member-only...
  148. # [11:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie: thanks, yep, found him
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  150. # [11:41] <DanC_lap> no longer member-only
  151. # [11:41] <smedero> yay
  152. # [11:42] <smedero> DanC_lap: thanks! it is helpful to be able to go back and search the log.
  153. # [11:43] <DanC_lap> welcome
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  159. # [11:53] <smedero> MikeSmith: Thanks for the update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Oct/0073.html
  160. # [11:53] <pimpbot> Title: Updated draft agenda, Oct. 23-24 face-to-face meeting from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-10-22 (public-html@w3.org from October 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  161. # [11:54] <MikeSmith> @planet
  162. # [11:54] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Normative References to Moving Targets are Dangerous <http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/10/normative-references-conformance.html> ** Chaals on Web Apps and HTML5 <http://standardssuck.org/chaals> ** This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 10 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-10> ** This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 9 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-9> ** Opera (16 more messages)
  163. # [11:54] <MikeSmith> @bugmail
  164. # [11:54] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Damn. Something's busted. Find MikeSmith.
  165. # [11:54] <gsnedders> "get volunteers for scribing"
  166. # [11:54] * gsnedders votes against self
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  170. # [11:58] <MikeSmith> anybody want to do BOF table of some kind at lunch today?
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  172. # [11:58] <MikeSmith> ro anybody proposed one yet?
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  177. # [12:02] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: BOF?
  178. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> "Birds of a Feather" session
  179. # [12:03] <gsnedders> Wah?
  180. # [12:03] * gsnedders is dumb
  181. # [12:03] <smedero> see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_(computing)
  182. # [12:03] <pimpbot> Title: Birds of a Feather (computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
  183. # [12:04] * smedero hates that colloquy parses URLs with trailing parenthesis incorrectly
  184. # [12:05] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: How about an "HTML doesn't suck" one?
  185. # [12:06] <MikeSmith> maybe "We are the unclean"
  186. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> "The Stone that the Builders Rejected..."
  187. # [12:08] * Philip notes that pimpbot parses URLs with trailing parentheses incorrectly too
  188. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> "The Prodigal Sons"
  189. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> Philip: patches welcome
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  191. # [12:08] <Philip> as does krijnh's logger
  192. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> then that's a feature for interoperability
  193. # [12:08] <Philip> s/feature/bug/
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  195. # [12:09] <MikeSmith> bugwards combatibility
  196. # [12:09] <Philip> Anyway, the most important legacy technology with which to be interoperable is a human with a mouse and copy-and-paste, and that nearly always parses URLs correctly
  197. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> humans are too hard to script
  198. # [12:10] <Philip> (even in quite ambiguous cases, like if I tell you to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_(computing))
  199. # [12:10] <pimpbot> Title: Birds of a Feather (computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
  200. # [12:11] <Philip> MikeSmith: Try hypnosis
  201. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> heh
  202. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> pimpbot is a supybot, fwiw
  203. # [12:11] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Huh?
  204. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> python-based
  205. # [12:13] * Philip is on a channel which has, at various times in the past, had PyBot (written in Python), Perlbot (written in Perl) and Lispbot (written in OCaml)
  206. # [12:14] <gsnedders> Philip: Obvious.
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  212. # [12:27] <MikeSmith> maybe all you all UK-based HTML WG members and friends should have a UK f2f sometime soon
  213. # [12:27] <MikeSmith> including with Gez, Steve Faulkner
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  215. # [12:29] <Philip> MikeSmith: But then we wouldn't be able to treat it as a holiday to an exotic location
  216. # [12:31] <gsnedders> And the UK is big!
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  221. # [12:33] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st+andrews&ie=UTF8&ll=56.339379,-2.798767&spn=1.43106,2.47467&z=9&iwloc=addr
  222. # [12:33] <pimpbot> Title: Google Maps (at maps.google.co.uk)
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  226. # [12:34] <erm> pimpbot is smarter than he looks
  227. # [12:35] <pimpbot> erm: Huh?
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  230. # [12:36] * Philip sees a Sponsored Link on that Google Maps page
  231. # [12:37] * Philip does not approve :-(
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  321. # [16:09] <MikeSmith> so Harry Halpin has suggested to me that we consider setting aside 60-90 minutes of HTML WG f2f time either Thursday or Friday for a kind of open "myth-breaking" session: Welcome representatives from other WGs to come by and talk about what issues they see with the HTML5 work and for us to have a chance to make it clear what we're really doing.
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  323. # [16:09] <Hixie> sounds like a good plan
  324. # [16:10] <Hixie> maybe we can do that at lunch time too
  325. # [16:10] <MikeSmith> yeah
  326. # [16:10] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: Yeah, sounds good
  327. # [16:10] <Hixie> aren't you playing frizbee?
  328. # [16:11] <gsnedders> No
  329. # [16:11] <smedero> That's a great idea
  330. # [16:11] <gsnedders> I'm in the main room
  331. # [16:11] <gsnedders> Hixie: On grounds that I can listen to it if it interests me, and do school work if not
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  333. # [16:12] <Hixie> aah
  334. # [16:12] <Hixie> i can't do work with people talking
  335. # [16:12] <Hixie> i can't concentrate
  336. # [16:12] <Hixie> same reason i can't watch tv and work
  337. # [16:12] <gsnedders> music?
  338. # [16:12] * karl notices that discussions at lunch time in the lunch place is a no-no for discussions.
  339. # [16:12] <Hixie> music is ok
  340. # [16:12] <karl> not audible
  341. # [16:12] <Hixie> yeah, true
  342. # [16:12] <Hixie> not big discussions anyway
  343. # [16:12] <gsnedders> karl: pardon?
  344. # [16:13] <Hixie> it's ok for 2-3 people discussions
  345. # [16:13] <Hixie> which might work if people just get their myths busted by random individuals from the group :-)
  346. # [16:13] <gsnedders> I don't know the entire spec :P
  347. # [16:13] <karl> my French ears have 1) to parse the sound in the noise, then analyze the English, then process it, and try to answer a non conformant English voice markup
  348. # [16:15] <karl> In fact, it would be in French it would be difficult for me. Basically loud noises kill my ability to understand. Same thing happen in the subway when the train arrives
  349. # [16:15] <MikeSmith> OK, as far as the open-house myth-breaking session, I guess right after lunch tomorrow will be work as well as any other time. I'll ask if I can make an announcement here (during tech plenary) later today.
  350. # [16:15] <hsivonen> karl: last year, I had the problem in reverse (not able to listen to French at the noisy TPAC reception)
  351. # [16:16] <gsnedders> provided it isn't interesting and it doesn't have my name in it, I can cut it out
  352. # [16:16] <gsnedders> s/isn't/is less/
  353. # [16:16] <karl> hsivonen: yep :/ I sympathetize
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  360. # [16:23] <gsnedders> how in LaTeX can you get each section to start on a new page?
  361. # [16:23] <hsivonen> hmm. looks like TCP connections don't finish properly
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  368. # [16:27] <Philip> gsnedders: Either by sacrificing your sanity and trying to modify the class files, or by writing \newpage\section{...}, I expect
  369. # [16:27] <gsnedders> sux.
  370. # [16:28] <Philip> Or you could add in lots of blank lines until it lines up properly
  371. # [16:28] <gsnedders> ooo…
  372. # [16:28] <gsnedders> \let\oldsection\section
  373. # [16:28] <gsnedders> \renewcommand{\section}{\clearpage\oldsection}
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  426. # [18:04] <gsnedders> http://www.w3.org/mid/20081022155012.GB5892@toro.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp
  427. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: Final agenda for Oct. 23-24 face-to-face meeting from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-10-22 (public-html@w3.org from October 2008) (at www.w3.org)
  428. # [18:05] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: How we are letting other groups know about the open house?
  429. # [18:05] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: Going to stand up quickly at the end of the taks?
  430. # [18:06] <gsnedders> *talks
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  434. # [18:14] <gsnedders> So yes
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  438. # [18:16] <dbaron> hmm, that open session conflicts with the AC meeting
  439. # [18:16] <DanC_lap> sigh. good point dbaron
  440. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> I had to pick a time and others told me tomorrow would be better than Friday
  441. # [18:19] <anne> looks nice MikeSmith
  442. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> the AC meeting conflicts with all WG meetings going on tomorrow, anyway
  443. # [18:20] <anne> best agenda I've seen so far
  444. # [18:20] <anne> apart from the TP day agenda I suppose
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  456. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> see you all tomorrow
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  462. # [20:46] <dbaron> (AC meeting is only in the afternoon, for what it's worth)
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