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  19. # [02:26] <Lachy> the repetitiveness of those spec splitting threads is getting rather annoying.
  20. # [02:27] <Lachy> I would ignore the whole thread, but occasionally, some have contained feedback that's indirectly relevant to how I should write the authoring guide, and so I should try to read them
  21. # [02:28] <Dashiva> Your suffering will not be in vain
  22. # [02:29] <Philip> I only count around 350 posts about spec-splitting so far
  23. # [02:29] <Lachy> yeah, that's too much for me to keep up with
  24. # [02:29] <Lachy> there's been about 30 in the last 6 hours
  25. # [02:32] <Dashiva> Well, it does seem to be clearing up somewhat
  26. # [02:32] <Dashiva> Either that, or all the pro-splitters went offline
  27. # [02:32] * Philip wonders how pro-splitters differ from amateur-splitters
  28. # [02:32] <Dashiva> They're elitist and snobby
  29. # [02:33] <Philip> Do they compete in the World Splitting Championships?
  30. # [02:36] <Philip> (I do hope the "clearing up somewhat" view is not baseless optimism, because the discussions do seem to just be going round and round, like a photon at the edge of a black hole that very occasionally radiates a tiny particle of matter but mostly just sucks)
  31. # [02:40] * Lachy read that as "World Spitting Championships" :-)
  32. # [02:43] <Philip> I think a Monkey Island game had a contest like that
  33. # [02:43] <Philip> http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ATMachine/mi2demo/mi2demo27.png
  34. # [02:44] <Philip> Oh, but that was only for pirates
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  52. # [06:11] <pimpbot> planet: Interview: Dan Appelquist on Vodafone, Mobile Web, and W3C Standards <http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/11/_as_part_of_a.html>
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  72. # [10:43] <MikeSmith> somebody apparently doing a talk on HTML5 today in Bangalore
  73. # [10:43] <MikeSmith> http://twitter.com/amitsomani/status/1022377382
  74. # [10:43] <pimpbot> Title: Twitter / amitsomani: Listening to a talk on HTM ... (at twitter.com)
  75. # [10:47] <Hixie> i think he must be watching the video of my talk from last week
  76. # [10:48] <hsivonen> Hixie: where is the new video?
  77. # [10:48] <Hixie> google-internal
  78. # [10:49] <hsivonen> ah
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  81. # [11:02] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: is charset-list actually used in the validator.nu code anywhere?
  82. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> in reference to http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MicrosyntaxDescriptions#charset-list
  83. # [11:03] <pimpbot> Title: MicrosyntaxDescriptions - WHATWG Wiki (at wiki.whatwg.org)
  84. # [11:05] * MikeSmith sees that charset-list seems to correspond to "ordered set of unique space-separated tokens" in the spec
  85. # [11:11] * MikeSmith finds http://www.w3.org/html/wg/markup-spec/schema.html#the-form.data.charsetlist
  86. # [11:11] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: did you add the form.data.* stuff recently, or have they been there all along?
  87. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> ah, sorry for the noise.. I realize I don't have my build set up to collect the form.data.* stuff
  88. # [11:14] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: Hixie clarified what a charset list is recently. previously, WF2 inherited it from HTML4 whose definition wasn't nice
  89. # [11:15] <MikeSmith> OK
  90. # [11:15] <hsivonen> last night I fixed <video> and <audio> content models. I haven't fixed the form stuff yet.
  91. # [11:15] <MikeSmith> I see
  92. # [11:15] <hsivonen> I'm planning on adding input size and input type=search today
  93. # [11:15] <hsivonen> and placeholder
  94. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> cool
  95. # [11:17] <hsivonen> a proper form update requires re-review, because there were too many things to track as a delta from WF2 during the merge
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  97. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: re-review of what in particular? you mean re-review of the spec?
  98. # [11:22] <hsivonen> rereview of the schema against the spec
  99. # [11:22] <MikeSmith> OK
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  105. # [13:53] <MikeSmith> Lachy: you there?
  106. # [13:56] <Lachy> MikeSmith, yes
  107. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> about http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Nov/0527.html
  108. # [13:57] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Splitting up the spec from Lachlan Hunt on 2008-11-25 (public-html@w3.org from November 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  109. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> I want to make something crystal clear
  110. # [13:58] <MikeSmith> there is no "the authoring guide" at this point
  111. # [13:59] <MikeSmith> there is an authoring guide for which you've produced an editor's draft
  112. # [13:59] <Lachy> did I say otherwise?
  113. # [14:00] <Lachy> how else am I supposed to refer to it without saying "the authoring guide", or using its much more verbose title "The Web Developer's Guide to HTML5"
  114. # [14:01] <MikeSmith> refer to it however you like, just so long as you understand where it stands
  115. # [14:02] <Lachy> of course I know where it stands. I just don't understand the problem you have with what I wrote
  116. # [14:04] <Julian> readers could get the impression that the rules for becoming editor of an HTML5 related spec may be different for different people
  117. # [14:04] <Julian> so maybe inserting "proposed" would deal with this
  118. # [14:05] <Julian> (readers of the email Mike quoted)
  119. # [14:18] * Philip would be happier with statements like "The authoring guide, of which I am the current editor, is going to be significantly higher quality than [...]" if they could be written in the present tense rather than the future tense
  120. # [14:21] <Lachy> Philip, I would use present tense, but the current publicly available editor's draft is very incomplete
  121. # [14:21] <Lachy> (my local copy which I'm currently working on is much better)
  122. # [14:24] <Philip> Lachy: It just seems a bit presumptuous for a document's author to state that their work is significantly higher quality than other people's, when they haven't even finished writing it yet :-)
  123. # [14:27] <Dashiva> Philip: Well, when the bar is buried two feet under ground, it's not that hard to pass it :)
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  191. # [23:49] <pimpbot> planet: This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 14 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-14>
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