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  11. # [02:07] <MikeSmith> @tell Julian I know next to nothing about tr.rdf but would be glad to help try to solve any problems it might have
  12. # [02:07] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: You got it, player.
  13. # [02:09] <Hixie> the many issues in the discussion above about dates is basically why i didn't bother referencing anything else for the many date formats
  14. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> Hixie: would be good at least to get feedback to the RFC 3339 to the editor, Chris Newman
  15. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> he's still actively involved at the IETF
  16. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/wg-dir.html#Applications Area
  17. # [02:35] <pimpbot> Title: Active IETF Working Groups (at www.ietf.org)
  18. # [02:36] <MikeSmith> one of the Aread Directors for the Applications Area
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  20. # [02:36] <Hixie> i don't know what feedback one would give
  21. # [02:38] <MikeSmith> about what deficiencies there are in the RFC that should be corrected, what should be added to it, what should be removed
  22. # [02:39] <Hixie> i don't know if any deficiencies per se
  23. # [02:39] <Hixie> it's just not quite what we need for html5
  24. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> I see
  25. # [02:40] <Hixie> but it's probably not intended for html5
  26. # [02:40] <Hixie> so...
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  37. # [04:33] <MikeSmith> .t
  38. # [04:33] <phenny> Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:31:36 GMT
  39. # [04:33] <MikeSmith> phenny, help t
  40. # [04:33] <MikeSmith> .t JST
  41. # [04:33] <phenny> Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:32:05 JST
  42. # [04:33] <MikeSmith> .t US/East
  43. # [04:33] <phenny> MikeSmith: Sorry, I don't know about the 'US/East' timezone.
  44. # [04:34] <MikeSmith> .t EST
  45. # [04:34] <phenny> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:32:38 EST
  46. # [04:34] <MikeSmith> .t EDT
  47. # [04:34] <phenny> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:32:45 EDT
  48. # [04:36] <MikeSmith> .bytes foo
  49. # [04:36] <phenny> MikeSmith: 'foo'
  50. # [04:37] <MikeSmith> .char foo
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  53. # [04:46] <MikeSmith> .t UTC
  54. # [04:46] <phenny> 2008-12-03T03:45:20Z
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  58. # [05:28] <MikeSmith> http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-state-of-the-web-2008-a-survey-of-web-designers-and-developers/
  59. # [05:28] <pimpbot> Title: The State of the Web 2008 - a Survey of Web Designers and Developers | Web Directions (at www.webdirections.org)
  60. # [05:32] <MikeSmith> .t ET
  61. # [05:32] <phenny> MikeSmith: Sorry, I don't know about the 'ET' timezone.
  62. # [05:37] <MikeSmith> .t EAST
  63. # [05:37] <phenny> Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:36:15 EAST
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  73. # [08:04] <billyjackass> the new and improved Opera Software, now with more jgraham
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  79. # [08:46] <MikeSmith> Hixie: how is an escaping text span different from a comment?
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  81. # [08:49] <MikeSmith> from an authoring perspective, I mean
  82. # [08:51] <Hixie> it's not commented out
  83. # [08:52] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: script and style in escaping span is parsed. in XML comment, it is not
  84. # [08:52] <MikeSmith> I see
  85. # [08:57] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: btw, I notice the whattf.org assertions.sch file has:
  86. # [08:58] <MikeSmith> The interactive element “audio controls” cannot appear as a descendant of the “a” element.
  87. # [08:58] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: is that now incorrect?
  88. # [08:58] <MikeSmith> no, not incorrect
  89. # [08:58] <MikeSmith> just the wording I mean
  90. # [08:59] <MikeSmith> in that there is no element "audio controls"
  91. # [08:59] <MikeSmith> but instead "audio element with a controls attribute specified" (or whatever)
  92. # [09:03] <MikeSmith> wow, David Storey still in Bangkok and can't fly out
  93. # [09:06] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: ok
  94. # [09:26] * hsivonen thought the procedure is taking a bus to Phuket and flying from there
  95. # [09:27] <hsivonen> is he stuck at the airport unable to go to another city?
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  98. # [10:20] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Am I supposed to email the group about that?
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  100. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> jgraham: no, I don't think it's necessary
  101. # [10:26] <jgraham> MikeSmith: OK, thanks
  102. # [10:29] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: maybe David couldn't get a flight out from Phuket. says "Hopefully flying out on Sunday."
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  109. # [11:45] <pimpbot> Julian: Sent 9 hours and 37 minutes ago: <MikeSmith> I know next to nothing about tr.rdf but would be glad to help try to solve any problems it might have
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  112. # [12:22] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: is the assertions.sch file autogenerated now, or are you maintaining it manually?
  113. # [12:29] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: manually maintained
  114. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> OK
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  119. # [13:40] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 Parsing in Gecko: A Build <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/html5-gecko-build/>
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  143. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> @planet
  144. # [16:39] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: HTML5 Parsing in Gecko: A Build <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/html5-gecko-build/> ** WebKit's week - #6 <http://hanblog.info/blog/post/2008/11/28/WebKit-s-week-6> ** Dev.Opera: Creating pseudo 3D games with HTML 5 canvas <http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/580> ** This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 14 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-14> ** Interview: Dan Appelquist on (16 more messages)
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  146. # [16:41] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 in Gecko <http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/12/03/HTML5-in-Gecko>
  147. # [16:42] <anne> MikeSmith, Origin header?
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  166. # [18:34] <DanC> I'm using the noscript extension these days. so many sites rely on javascript more than they need to
  167. # [18:40] <smedero> DanC: What are some of the most common JavaScript excesses you are seeing?
  168. # [18:40] <DanC> an "unsubscribe" button that doesn't work without javascript
  169. # [18:40] <DanC> you get a 404 without javascript
  170. # [18:41] <DanC> untested codepath
  171. # [18:41] <DanC> it should work, at the cost of round trip and full-page update
  172. # [18:41] <DanC> it's not like I'm trying to play tetris or something
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  174. # [18:43] * gsnedders wonders if pong works
  175. # [18:43] <gsnedders> :P
  176. # [18:47] <smedero> i was hoping to trudge out the "overworked programmers" story but what you've described sounds like extreme lazyness.
  177. # [18:47] <smedero> or apathy...
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  185. # [19:46] <gsnedders> smedero: Since when were issue trackers elves?
  186. # [19:46] <smedero> that's a reference to a DanC-ism.
  187. # [19:47] <smedero> i imagine a search on public-html would turn up the original email... i've got way too much on my plate today to look it up though.
  188. # [19:48] * gsnedders passes smedero another plate
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  195. # [20:52] * marcos thinks it's gsnedders turns to be on Standards Suck this week!
  196. # [20:52] <Lachy> marcos, how many more do we have to publish?
  197. # [20:53] <marcos> at least 5
  198. # [20:53] <Lachy> ok
  199. # [20:53] <gsnedders> marcos: oooo…
  200. # [20:53] <gsnedders> marcos: I can prove I'm real!
  201. # [20:54] <marcos> Uh hu! and hopefully that will get us on lastweekinhtml5 too! :D
  202. # [20:54] <gsnedders> :D
  203. # [20:54] <marcos> Kill two birds with one stone
  204. # [20:54] <gsnedders> Why? I didn't think I said anything overly controversial…
  205. # [20:55] <Dashiva> Does lastweek monitor #webapps, I wonder
  206. # [20:55] <marcos> I know, but the fact that you collected all the signatures (except one) constitutes a monumental event! worthy, I hope, of last week in html5
  207. # [20:55] <marcos> nah
  208. # [20:55] <gsnedders> Dashiva: I guess that depends on the identity of lastweek
  209. # [20:55] <gsnedders> marcos: That's already been on
  210. # [20:55] <marcos> we are too small time for him, Dashiva
  211. # [20:55] <gsnedders> marcos: http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/2008/11/geoffrey-snedders-mrs-last-week-salutes.html
  212. # [20:55] <pimpbot> Title: Last Week in HTML5: Geoffrey Snedders, Mrs Last Week salutes you (at lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com)
  213. # [20:56] <gsnedders> (my surname, lastweek and ChrisWilson, is _not_ Snedders, but rather Sneddon)
  214. # [20:56] <marcos> oh :(
  215. # [21:01] <rubys> sounds to me like you need to either change your last name or your irc nick
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  217. # [21:06] <gsnedders> rubys: But gsneddon doesn't sound so cool.
  218. # [21:06] <gsnedders> rubys: And changing my surname would be too much effort.
  219. # [21:07] * gsnedders notes that a number of people here call him gsnedders in person too
  220. # [21:07] <Dashiva> How do they pronounce the gsn?
  221. # [21:10] <gsnedders> Dashiva: g•snedders
  222. # [21:10] <marcos> g is for gangsta.
  223. # [21:11] <Dashiva> The g-teamster?
  224. # [21:11] <marcos> something like that.
  225. # [21:11] <smedero> at TPAC most folks just referred to you as "'snedders"
  226. # [21:12] <smedero> I suppose your gangsta credentials were being questioned.
  227. # [21:14] <gsnedders> heh. At TPAC timbl tried about two or three names beginning with g before reverting to gsnedders :P
  228. # [21:14] <Lachy> LOL
  229. # [21:14] <Lachy> like what?
  230. # [21:14] <gsnedders> Gregory was first, IIRC
  231. # [21:15] <smedero> Garfield? Gallagher?
  232. # [21:15] <gsnedders> I wasn't really listening
  233. # [21:15] <gsnedders> He was trying to get me attention, and I don't respond to the names he called me :)
  234. # [21:15] <gsnedders> *my
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  237. # [21:18] <Lachy> I'm not sure what most people call me. I get all sorts of things, often mispronunciations of my name
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  239. # [21:20] <gsnedders> Lachy: I'd probably argue with you about quite how you pronounce it, knowing the proper Gaelic pronunciation :)
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  241. # [21:23] <Lachy> can you spell that phonetically?
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  243. # [21:23] <gsnedders> the -lan bit is obvious
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  245. # [21:24] <Lachy> well, not really. It depends how much stress you put on the A
  246. # [21:26] <gsnedders> You know how loch (as in the Scots/Gaelic word) is pronounced?
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  249. # [21:28] <gsnedders> [laxlæn] I think is the correct IPA
  250. # [21:29] <Lachy> what? There's no x sound
  251. # [21:29] <gsnedders> x is the "ch" in the Scots/Gaelic "loch"
  252. # [21:30] <Lachy> oh, ok. Did you just use an x because you didn't have the right character to use?
  253. # [21:30] <gsnedders> Lachy: No, I was typing in IPA
  254. # [21:32] <Lachy> well, assuming I know how to pronounce "loch" correctly, and the x doesn't sound like the x in axe, then I think I do prononce my name correctly
  255. # [21:33] * gsnedders notes that he knows of nobody who isn't Scottish who quite gets "loch" correct :)
  256. # [21:34] <Lachy> I say it something like lock
  257. # [21:34] <gavin> lock-lenn?
  258. # [21:34] <gsnedders> gavin: no, la- (as in the French la) and not lo-
  259. # [21:35] <gavin> I doubt you really mean the french la
  260. # [21:35] <Lachy> gsnedders, wtf?
  261. # [21:36] <gavin> the french la as in lac really doesn't fit
  262. # [21:36] * gsnedders still stands by [laxlæn]
  263. # [21:36] <gavin> that means nothing to me :)
  264. # [21:37] * gsnedders points gavin at a IPA tutorial :)
  265. # [21:37] <gsnedders> la in French is [la]
  266. # [21:37] <gsnedders> the ch of "loch" is [x]
  267. # [21:37] <gavin> I speak french, and none of the french la sounds I know sound right when pronouncing lachlan
  268. # [21:37] <gsnedders> gavin: Gaelic names often sound odd :)
  269. # [21:38] <gsnedders> [æn] is the "an" in "ban"
  270. # [21:38] * smedero hopes people are this detail oriented in their HTML5 test cases. ;-)
  271. # [21:39] <gsnedders> :)
  272. # [21:40] * gsnedders began updating his test cases during TPAC in the HTML WG F2F, and then we went to a lunch break :)
  273. # [21:40] <gavin> I refuse to believe that the gaelic pronunciation of anything contains either la or là from French :)
  274. # [21:40] <gsnedders> gavin: :)
  275. # [21:42] <Lachy> ah, my IRC client was rending the æ in a font that makes it look like an oe, rather than an ae
  276. # [21:42] <Lachy> gsnedders, http://esl.about.com/library/listening/blIPAvowels.htm says that its pronounced like the a in cat
  277. # [21:42] <pimpbot> Title: Correct English Pronunciation Page - IPA Symbols - Audio Examples of English IPA Symbols (at esl.about.com)
  278. # [21:43] <gsnedders> Lachy: yeah, that's right too
  279. # [21:43] <Lachy> then no, you're pronouncing my name wrongly
  280. # [21:45] <Lachy> If I'm understanding the IPA chart properly, I think it would be more like laxlən
  281. # [21:46] <gsnedders> that would make the second syllable sound like lain
  282. # [21:47] <Lachy> no
  283. # [21:48] <Lachy> answers.com says lain is prnounced lān
  284. # [21:48] <Philip> It's easier to just say it like "Latch-E"
  285. # [21:48] <gsnedders> ə is like the u in fur
  286. # [21:48] * rubys is thankful that his name is easy to pronounce
  287. # [21:49] <gsnedders> rubys: Like "Same", right? :P
  288. # [21:49] <gavin> the chart says ə is like the "a" in "ago"
  289. # [21:50] <gsnedders> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_central_vowel disagrees :P
  290. # [21:50] <pimpbot> Title: Mid central vowel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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  294. # [22:35] * Philip never seems to have any problems other than people failing to notice how many 'l's are in his name
  295. # [22:41] <gsnedders> really, Phillip? :)
  296. # [22:42] <Dashiva> Plililp
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