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  91. # [17:00] <karl> >The W3C's Web editor has just been released! In addition to bug fixes, improvements of the UI and support of RDFa & XTiger editing, this new version comes with an SVG editor.
  92. # [17:00] <karl> -- http://svg.org/story/2008/12/16/17352/911#
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  94. # [17:16] * jgraham wonders what the point of Amaya is
  95. # [17:30] <jgraham> That was a serious wondering by the way. I really don't know what the point of Amaya is. Does anyone use it? Does it have any measurable effect on the state of the web? Does it provide a fun hobby for some people without having any significant costs?
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  99. # [17:49] * marcos sees competition in the browser market place really heating up now that Amaya 11 is out! :D
  100. # [17:50] <marcos> jgraham, it's the web as Timbl intended. Viewer and editor all in one (and supports RDF!) :)
  101. # [17:51] <Dashiva> I don't think anyone will ever dethrone Amaya as slowest ever :)
  102. # [17:53] <marcos> Dashiva: that's a feature. Sources (voices inside my head) tell me that Microsoft relies on Amaya being out so they can say "well! IE is not as slow as Amaya".
  103. # [17:53] <Dashiva> What do the voices say about icab?
  104. # [17:54] <marcos> hehe
  105. # [17:54] <marcos> I wonder if anyone has ever bought it?
  106. # [17:56] <jgraham> iCan or Amaya?
  107. # [17:56] <jgraham> s/can/cab/
  108. # [17:57] <marcos> iCab
  109. # [17:58] <marcos> I'm not sure if it's a taxi or a web browser... I wonder what the taxi metaphor is all about?
  110. # [18:11] <karl> jgraham: this is a testbed platform
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  112. # [18:11] <karl> Amaya helps to test some technologies and challenges going with them.
  113. # [18:11] <karl> Plus it is quite a practical tool for certain types of work
  114. # [18:12] <karl> For example I love it when it comes to translate document without savaging the markup.
  115. # [18:12] <karl> Also very good when using with a server which accepts http put
  116. # [18:12] <karl> it creates an environment which makes it very easy for beginners to edit web pages
  117. # [18:12] <karl> live on the server
  118. # [18:13] <karl> open uri, save, that's it.
  119. # [18:14] <Julian> wow, distributed authoring!
  120. # [18:14] * Julian ducks
  121. # [18:14] <karl> if you consider the W3C web site ;) indeed.
  122. # [18:14] <karl> It's kind of a giant "wiki" but wysiwyg and directly in html.
  123. # [18:18] <jgraham> karl: So does it have a non-trivial userbase outside of the W3C or any measurable effect on the quality of standards produced by W3C?
  124. # [18:20] <karl> jgraham: what is your real question? :)
  125. # [18:20] <jgraham> karl: What's the point of Amaya? :)
  126. # [18:21] <karl> it is used and useful, at least in some communities. You get an answer.
  127. # [18:21] <jgraham> (I guess I am more bothered if it costs significant resources since W3C clearly has no cash at the moment)
  128. # [18:21] <karl> It doesn't cost resources to W3C
  129. # [18:21] <Philip> It serves as useful evidence to show to people who say they wish the W3C provided a reference implementation of a web browser
  130. # [18:21] <karl> it is made by INRIA mostly
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  132. # [18:24] <jgraham> karl: If it really has zero cost and it is useful to some people there is nothing obvious to complain about :) But it still seems a bit of an odd project
  133. # [18:27] <karl> jgraham: just a question of point of view.
  134. # [18:28] <karl> at least I find it useful and I like it :) Your mileage may vary
  135. # [18:29] <jgraham> karl: Well I tried Amaya some years ago and it was unusable, although I hear the UI has improved. The links to Ubuntu packages for the nee version seem to be broken however
  136. # [18:29] <karl> jgraham: yeah bad luck for you. It happens to some people. :)
  137. # [18:30] <karl> life is hard, I understand
  138. # [18:30] <jgraham> :-p
  139. # [18:30] <jgraham> Well I can't change my opinion of it till I can run it ;)
  140. # [18:34] <marcos> yeah, don't knock it till you try it! :)
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