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  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 19 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:01] <gsnedders> marcos: plz
  4. # [00:02] <gsnedders> marcos: did you run it as root?
  5. # [00:02] <marcos> gsnedders: what's yer email addy?
  6. # [00:02] <marcos> gsnedders: yep
  7. # [00:02] <gsnedders> marcos: me@gsnedders.com
  8. # [00:02] <Philip> (Running code from strangers on the internet as root is a great idea!)
  9. # [00:02] <gsnedders> Philip: How about running code from people you've met in person as root?
  10. # [00:03] <marcos> Philip: me and the g man go way back!
  11. # [00:03] <Philip> gsnedders: The person on the internet claiming to be the person you've met in person might actually be a different person
  12. # [00:03] <gsnedders> Yeah, this Gregory as timbl called him is rather odd.
  13. # [00:04] * marcos reminded of that funny animation that was floating a few years ago "wtf is happening to my computer!!!!!"
  14. # [00:05] <gsnedders> marcos: gcc -v?
  15. # [00:05] <marcos> Using built-in specs.
  16. # [00:05] <marcos> Target: i686-apple-darwin9
  17. # [00:05] <marcos> Configured with: /var/tmp/gcc/gcc-5488~2/src/configure --disable-checking -enable-werror --prefix=/usr --mandir=/share/man --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++ --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^.-]*$/s/$/-4.0/ --with-gxx-include-dir=/include/c++/4.0.0 --with-slibdir=/usr/lib --build=i686-apple-darwin9 --with-arch=apple --with-tune=generic --host=i686-apple-darwin9 --target=i686-apple-darwin9
  18. # [00:05] <marcos> Thread model: posix
  19. # [00:05] <marcos> gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5488)
  20. # [00:05] <gsnedders> Oh, actually, it's probably outdated libxml
  21. # [00:06] <marcos> um, ok.
  22. # [00:06] * marcos , so not to look too foolish, pretends like that means something to him.
  23. # [00:07] <gsnedders> marcos: xmllint --version?
  24. # [00:07] <marcos> xmllint: using libxml version 20616
  25. # [00:07] <marcos> compiled with: DTDValid FTP HTTP HTML C14N Catalog XPath XPointer XInclude Unicode Regexps Automata Schemas
  26. # [00:07] <gsnedders> There's the issue
  27. # [00:08] <marcos> I knew it! :P
  28. # [00:08] <gsnedders> You got anything like macport installed?
  29. # [00:08] <marcos> don't think so.
  30. # [00:08] * gsnedders yawns
  31. # [00:08] * marcos awaits further instructions ....
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  33. # [00:09] <Philip> C14N - chondropterygian?
  34. # [00:10] <gsnedders> marcos: http://www.macports.org/
  35. # [00:10] <pimpbot> Title: The MacPorts Project -- Home (at www.macports.org)
  36. # [00:10] <gsnedders> marcos: Install that, then sudo port install libxml2 libxslt
  37. # [00:11] <marcos> gsnedders: roger that....
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  39. # [00:15] * marcos watches the magic of computers on his little console...
  40. # [00:15] <Philip> Much more interesting than boring GUI applications that hide all the magic behind a progress bar
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  42. # [00:22] <marcos> gsnedders: ok... here we go again! :)
  43. # [00:30] <marcos> gsnedders: check email
  44. # [00:30] <gsnedders> marcos: html5lib limitation.
  45. # [00:30] * gsnedders applies somebody else's problem field
  46. # [00:30] <marcos> hehe
  47. # [00:31] <marcos> bah :(
  48. # [00:31] <gsnedders> marcos: try --lxml.html
  49. # [00:31] <gsnedders> marcos: That uses libxml2's HTML parser/serializer
  50. # [00:31] <marcos> ok
  51. # [00:32] * Philip wonders what the html5lib problem is
  52. # [00:32] <gsnedders> Philip: lxml treebuilder refuses to add xml:lang attribute
  53. # [00:32] <Philip> Ah
  54. # [00:32] <Philip> I'd blame lxml :-)
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  57. # [01:08] <marcos> gsnedders: respect.
  58. # [01:08] <gsnedders> marcos: ?
  59. # [01:08] <marcos> worky
  60. # [01:27] <MikeSmith> http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2008/12/operas_mama_on_plugins.html
  61. # [01:27] <pimpbot> Title: jd/adobe: Opera's MAMA on plugins (at blogs.adobe.com)
  62. # [01:27] <MikeSmith> John Dowdell
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  64. # [01:32] <karl> hmmm I had left a comment there, and it has not been moderated interesting
  65. # [01:32] <karl> maybe he didn't have time yet to approve it
  66. # [01:34] <MikeSmith> .t PST
  67. # [01:34] <phenny> Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:32:53 PST
  68. # [01:34] <MikeSmith> karl: tea time in SF
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  70. # [01:40] <karl> MikeSmith: I'll respect that. "The words of my book nothing, the drift of it everything."
  71. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> heh
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  82. # [02:58] * karl wants a standard to export all my tabs and reimport them in another browser.
  83. # [02:59] * karl is trying to move tabs from Camino to Opera, Firefox and Safari
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  85. # [03:04] <karl> this is cool too http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/2008/12/manipulating-the-historical-web/#
  86. # [03:04] <pimpbot> Title: Dynamic Diagrams : Information Design Watch : Manipulating the Historical Web (at dd.dynamicdiagrams.com)
  87. # [03:04] <karl> but that would be even better if we could have a web archive on our own desktop of pages we have already seen in the past.
  88. # [03:04] <karl> a kind of Time Machine but in the browsers
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  90. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2008/12/19/10-is-the-one
  91. # [03:11] <pimpbot> Title: 10 is the one - By Hallvord R. M. Steen (at my.opera.com)
  92. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> [[
  93. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> As Andrew Gregory already noticed, we're the first browser ever to release with a two-digit version number. If websites assume that version numbers always have a one-letter "major" part and look for a single digit, they are going to "detect" Opera 1!
  94. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> Since we released the first preview of Opera 10, we're seeing the bug reports come in. Web sites go belly up because of their bad sniffing. Some of them aren't even ashamed of it..
  95. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> ]]
  96. # [03:14] <karl> I wonder if Opera thought about changing the name of the browser
  97. # [03:14] <karl> it is super hard to track on the web
  98. # [03:14] <karl> to see what people think, do with it
  99. # [03:14] <karl> Safari is hard too
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  105. # [04:32] <MikeSmith> .t EST
  106. # [04:32] <phenny> Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:30:53 EST
  107. # [04:46] * Quits: karl (karlcow@70.81.84.168) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  108. # [04:47] <MikeSmith> https://bugs.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=26136&action=view
  109. # [04:47] <MikeSmith> https://bugs.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=26136&action=view
  110. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> http://webkit.org/specs/PointerEventsProperty.html
  111. # [04:48] <pimpbot> Title: The 'pointer-events' property (at webkit.org)
  112. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> http://webkit.org/specs/PointerEventsProperty.html
  113. # [04:48] <pimpbot> Title: The 'pointer-events' property (at webkit.org)
  114. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380573
  115. # [04:48] <pimpbot> Bug 380573: was not found.
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  118. # [05:00] <MikeSmith> http://friendfeed.com/e/43c427f2-d605-4a9e-abc4-71fa6543f338/Why-I-think-XML-1-0-fifth-edition-is-wrong-headed/
  119. # [05:00] <pimpbot> Title: Why I think XML 1.0 (fifth edition) is wrong-headed - O'Reilly Broadcast - FriendFeed (at friendfeed.com)
  120. # [05:08] <MikeSmith> "doesn't have the stability or the discipline"...
  121. # [05:08] <MikeSmith> what Rick needs to understand is that the organization is controlled by gamma rays
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  128. # [06:38] <karl> MikeSmith: At least one of the synthetic elements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_element
  129. # [06:38] <pimpbot> Title: Synthetic element - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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  131. # [06:54] <karl> Urge and urge and urge,
  132. # [06:54] <karl> Always the procreant urge of the world.
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  147. # [10:51] <jgraham> marcos_zzzz: You may or may not be glad to know that I have almost fixed the html5lib lmitation that you ran into (almost because it has one known major bug at the moment)
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