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  5. # [00:00] <takkaria> because then someone in the UK might have useful government sites with blogs and things on it. :)
  6. # [00:01] <Philip> It looks like it'll be so transparent that they're even publishing reports on the White House's swimming pool once it gets installed, judging by http://www.whitehouse.gov/pool/
  7. # [00:01] <pimpbot> Title: Pool Report (at www.whitehouse.gov)
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  9. # [00:03] <Dashiva> White house pool boy must be an excellent way to intern
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  16. # [00:40] <pimpbot> planet: noAPIC <http://intertwingly.net/blog/2009/01/20/noAPIC>
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  31. # [02:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6460] New: Handle onerror feedback for Workers" ( message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0027.html>
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  37. # [04:11] <MikeSmith> http://dbaron.org/log/20090120-bug-priorities
  38. # [04:11] <pimpbot> Title: David Baron's weblog: Bug priorities (at dbaron.org)
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  46. # [06:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6461] New: Fix the definition of "Origin" for Documents from javascript: URLs" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0029.html> ** "[Bug 6460] Handle onerror feedback for Workers" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0028.html>
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  48. # [06:55] <Hixie> did anyone understand http://www.w3.org/mid/864244.44728.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ?
  49. # [06:55] <pimpbot> Title: Parsing problem with misnested tags from Chris Reeve on 2009-01-21 (public-html@w3.org from January 2009) (at www.w3.org)
  50. # [06:57] <MikeSmith> http://twitter.com/shadow2531/statuses/1135538782
  51. # [06:57] <pimpbot> Title: Twitter / shadow2531: Just created mailto_protoc ... (at twitter.com)
  52. # [06:58] <MikeSmith> "Just created mailto_protocol_handler.php for SquirrelMail to support HTML5's registerProtocolHandler http://tinyurl.com/a9grm4 "
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  72. # [08:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6462] New: Self-reference and cyclic references in headers=''" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0030.html>
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  146. # [13:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6339] Define how to deal with onload, ononline, and other document/window-level events" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0031.html>
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  157. # [16:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6464] New: Support meta refresh with quotes" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0032.html>
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  161. # [16:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6464] Support meta refresh with quotes" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0033.html>
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  173. # [18:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6464] Support meta refresh with quotes" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0034.html>
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  182. # [20:43] * Philip (in response to public-html-wg-announce) wonders why Dave Singer wants to attend a meeting about conflicting standards
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  201. # [22:59] <karl> I wonder how many (rough %) html documents on the Web have
  202. # [22:59] <karl> 1. "no title" and a "h1"
  203. # [22:59] <karl> 2. "title" but no "h1"
  204. # [22:59] <karl> 3. "title" and "h1"
  205. # [22:59] <karl> 4. none (no "title", no "h1")
  206. # [23:02] <smedero> If I didn't know better karl, I think you were trying to queue up some processes for Philip's data scouting engine.
  207. # [23:02] <Philip> What do you want to know for? :-)
  208. # [23:12] <karl> hehe
  209. # [23:13] <karl> I was wondering if in the absence of title we could use h1 for the document title. It bugged me that people had always to put title and h1 in some cases.
  210. # [23:13] <karl> plus an h1 would be "easier" to maintain. DRY
  211. # [23:14] <karl> just random thoughts, but that might create additional issues as always :)
  212. # [23:14] <gsnedders> Anolis has <!--title--> just for that use-case
  213. # [23:21] <Philip> h1 and no title: 108
  214. # [23:21] <Philip> no h1 and title: 96389
  215. # [23:21] <Philip> h1 and title: 27864
  216. # [23:21] <Philip> no h1 and no title: 2628
  217. # [23:24] <smedero> total sample size?
  218. # [23:25] <Philip> Add them all up :-)
  219. # [23:25] <gsnedders> But there's no bot here to do that for me!
  220. # [23:25] <smedero> okay, didn't know if there was any misc errors. :-)
  221. # [23:25] <Philip> and if you don't get 126989 them my maths is horribly wrong
  222. # [23:26] <Philip> I tried download 131072 pages, and then excluded errors and non-text/html
  223. # [23:26] <Philip> s//ing/
  224. # [23:32] <karl> ah Philip thanks!
  225. # [23:32] <karl> interesting
  226. # [23:32] <karl> so basically it would not do a lot of harm
  227. # [23:32] <karl> if it was decided to make h1 equivalent of title when title is not in the document
  228. # [23:34] <karl> 0.09% of documents
  229. # [23:35] <Philip> It wouldn't do a lot of good either, because pretty much everybody already uses title
  230. # [23:35] <Philip> It's the third most common element, after html and head which every single document has because they're added automatically by the parser :-)
  231. # [23:35] <karl> yes that's cool.
  232. # [23:36] <karl> but imagine that the browser takes h1 for the title of the window and for bookmarking.
  233. # [23:36] <karl> I guess many h1 are a substring of title. or maybe not
  234. # [23:36] <karl> hmmm still thinking
  235. # [23:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6464] Support meta refresh with quotes" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0035.html>
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  237. # [23:50] <karl> http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/goodbye-ibm/
  238. # [23:50] <pimpbot> Title: Goodbye IBM « Access Garage (at accessgarage.wordpress.com)
  239. # [23:51] <karl> "This came as shock to me today, but I was just laid off from IBM. It was not a result of performance. They tell me it was because ARIA and working with external browser vendors is no longer a priority."
  240. # [23:51] <karl> -- Aaron Leventhal
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  242. # [23:54] <takkaria> crikey
  243. # [23:54] * karl wishes all the best to aaronlev and congratulates for the work already done. Big bow.
  244. # [23:54] <takkaria> I hope that mozilla gets him onboard or something
  245. # [23:55] <aaronlev> thanks
  246. # [23:55] * gsnedders hugs aaronlev — everything will work out somehow
  247. # [23:55] <gsnedders> (Yes, I do give random people hugs)
  248. # [23:55] <aaronlev> i like to think so
  249. # [23:56] * Quits: MichaelC (Michael@128.30.52.30) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122])
  250. # [23:56] <aaronlev> well, as long as you don't have bony shoulders
  251. # [23:56] <aaronlev> i hate that
  252. # [23:56] <gsnedders> Hm, well…
  253. # [23:56] <gsnedders> No comment.
  254. # [23:56] <aaronlev> being short and all
  255. # [23:56] <aaronlev> seriously, last time i got fired i ended up with a better job
  256. # [23:56] <aaronlev> so, who the hell knows
  257. # [23:57] <aaronlev> ok, i'm not "fired", but same same
  258. # [23:57] <gsnedders> It all amounts to you not having the job you had before.
  259. # [23:57] <hsivonen> whoa
  260. # [23:58] <hsivonen> aaronlev: I sure hope things work out somehow
  261. # [23:58] <aaronlev> thanks hsivonen, of course they will
  262. # Session Close: Thu Jan 22 00:00:00 2009

The end :)