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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 22 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:03] <Hixie> aaronlev: sorry to hear that man
  4. # [00:03] <Hixie> aaronlev: hope it works out
  5. # [00:04] <aaronlev> thanks Hixie
  6. # [00:06] <anne> hey aaronlev, that's too bad, hope you find someplace better!
  7. # [00:07] <aaronlev> i'm trying to think of what that would be
  8. # [00:08] <anne> i hear we're hiring ;) :)
  9. # [00:08] <gsnedders> anne: You guys are _always_ hiring :)
  10. # [00:08] <anne> though someplace where you could continue to work on Gecko might be better I suppose
  11. # [00:09] <aaronlev> anne: you never know
  12. # [00:15] * gsnedders wonders whether he would have a chance at getting a QA position for a gap year…
  13. # [00:16] <anne> you could try getting a summer internship first
  14. # [00:17] <takkaria> gah, I need to apply for that soon
  15. # [00:18] <anne> if you apply, let wilhelm or so know
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  17. # [00:19] <anne> might help speed up things
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  31. # [01:19] <Hixie> does anyone understand http://www.w3.org/mid/864244.44728.qm@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ?
  32. # [01:19] <pimpbot> Title: Parsing problem with misnested tags from Chris Reeve on 2009-01-21 (public-html@w3.org from January 2009) (at www.w3.org)
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  35. # [01:25] <MikeSmith> aaronlev: you around?
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  40. # [01:33] <DanC> Hixie, I puzzled over that msg without any luck.
  41. # [01:39] <Lachy> oh, that message from Chris Reeve never landed in my inbox. Must have got caught by my spam filter
  42. # [01:40] <Lachy> considering it made about as much sense as some of the spam I get, that's not too surprising
  43. # [01:43] <Hixie> i guess i'll ignore it
  44. # [01:44] <Hixie> since everyone else is as well :-)
  45. # [01:45] <Lachy> you could just write back and ask for clarification
  46. # [01:46] <Hixie> i'll let the chairs do that :-)
  47. # [01:52] <Lachy> that IE security restriction for prompt() is the strangest one I've seen.
  48. # [01:53] <Lachy> I knew IE had the stupid restrictions for local files due to its lack of a more user friendly security model, but I just don't get the need for applying that one to content served from the web too
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  51. # [03:14] <karl> Hixie: I wonder if he's talking about uri parsing (filename) but really it is not clear. It is also the 3rd message he sent without a subject… :(
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  66. # [07:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6464] Support meta refresh with quotes" ( message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0036.html>
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  82. # [11:11] <pimpbot> marcos: Sent 2 days, 6 hours, and 11 minutes ago: <MikeSmith> please ping me when you get online
  83. # [11:11] <pimpbot> marcos: Sent 2 days, 5 hours, and 16 minutes ago: <MikeSmith> want to ask about disposition of comments
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  98. # [12:10] <marcos_> Quick question, is there a cheap and easy way to normalize whitespace using some DOM method?
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  100. # [12:19] <Lachy> marcos_, http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/core.html#ID-normalize
  101. # [12:19] <pimpbot> Title: Document Object Model Core (at www.w3.org)
  102. # [12:20] <marcos_> Thanks Lachy
  103. # [12:23] <jgraham> Lachy: Does that do what marcos_ wants?
  104. # [12:23] <hsivonen> Lachy: that one normalizes text nodes--not whitespace in them
  105. # [12:24] <marcos_> I'm basically wanting to normalize textContent... but I guess I need to define what "normalize" means in the context I am using it.
  106. # [12:24] <hsivonen> (I'm not aware of a DOM method for doing white space normalization)
  107. # [12:24] <marcos_> yeah, I didn't think there was
  108. # [12:25] <Lachy> marcos_, it's not clear what you mean by whitespace normalisation
  109. # [12:26] <marcos_> exactly, as I said above :)
  110. # [12:26] <marcos_> I guess I want to collapse all space characters and tabs into a single space, remove any CR and LF.
  111. # [12:26] <Lachy> ok. A regex should be able to do that
  112. # [12:27] <hsivonen> marcos_: don't you want to first turn tab, cr, and lf into spaces, then collapse runs of spaces into one
  113. # [12:27] <marcos_> yeah, but I'm specifying it for the widget spec (e.g., the name element needs to use something like that)
  114. # [12:27] <marcos_> yeah, that might be better hsivonen
  115. # [12:28] <hsivonen> then remove spaces from start and end
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  118. # [12:29] <hsivonen> marcos_: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/relax-ng/spec-20011203.html#IDAQFAS
  119. # [12:29] <pimpbot> Title: RELAX NG Specification (at www.oasis-open.org)
  120. # [12:30] <marcos_> Ok, I have the following spec'd:
  121. # [12:30] <marcos_> 1. Let input be the element to be processed.
  122. # [12:31] <marcos_> 2. let result be the value of the textContent [DOM3Core] property for input.
  123. # [12:31] <marcos_> 3. In result, convert any U+000A LINE FEED (LF) and U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR) characters into a U+0020 SPACE.
  124. # [12:31] <hsivonen> and Tab?
  125. # [12:32] <marcos_> 4. In result, convert any sequence of more than one U+0020 SPACE or U+0009 CHARACTER TABULATION (tab) with a single U+0020 SPACE.
  126. # [12:32] <marcos_> 5. Return result.
  127. # [12:33] <marcos_> I should do Tab also in step 3?
  128. # [12:33] <hsivonen> marcos_: that leaves single tabs unmodified
  129. # [12:33] <hsivonen> marcos_: so yes
  130. # [12:33] <marcos_> ok, makes sense
  131. # [12:34] <marcos_> great! thanks for the help!
  132. # [12:35] <Philip> marcos_: Why not skip step 3, and say something like "replace any sequence of one more space character (0020, 0009, 000d, 000a) with a single space"?
  133. # [12:36] <marcos_> that could work too
  134. # [12:37] <Philip> If I was writing it as code, I'd just say 's/[ \t\r\n]+/ /g', rather than 's/[\t\r\n]/ /g; s/ +/ /g'
  135. # [12:38] <marcos_> I see your point.
  136. # [12:38] <hsivonen> marcos_: also, you probably mean to remove leading and trailing whitespace
  137. # [12:39] <marcos_> Ok, will add that too.
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  144. # [13:57] <pimpbot> planet: Moving the goalposts <http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/01/moving-the-goalposts>
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  148. # [14:48] <karl> oooh on January 25, 2009 it is the birthday of Robert Burns !
  149. # [14:49] <karl> http://www.bbc.co.uk/robertburns/
  150. # [14:49] <pimpbot> Title: BBC - Robert Burns (at www.bbc.co.uk)
  151. # [14:49] <karl> 250 years and still kicking on html wg mailing list
  152. # [14:49] <karl> Long live to poets
  153. # [14:51] <jgraham> karl: It is a reasonably big deal in the UK :)
  154. # [14:54] <anne> ah, 250 year old, that explains the Marxism links :p
  155. # [14:54] <karl> ahah
  156. # [14:58] <Lachy> wow. I was surprised when I found out yesterday that Superman (Chris Reeve) was posting to the list. Now we have a 250 yr old poet too! :-)
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  162. # [15:58] <pimpbot> planet: Blazing a Trail <http://intertwingly.net/blog/2009/01/22/Blazing-a-Trail>
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  183. # [17:57] * rubys1 changes topic to 'HTML WG telcon 22 Jan 17:00Z http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JanMar/0001.html ; This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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  188. # [18:00] <dsinger> ...is on IRC but is in a JPEG meeting so cannot call in...
  189. # [18:01] <takkaria> oo, what's the JPEG people talking about?
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  191. # [18:02] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
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  193. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-irc
  194. # [18:02] <gsnedders> takkaria: JPEG, I guess.
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  196. # [18:02] <DanC> Zakim, this is HTML
  197. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, DanC; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
  198. # [18:02] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  199. # [18:02] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  200. # [18:02] <Zakim> +DanC
  201. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Matt_May
  202. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  203. # [18:03] <DanC> Topic: Convene
  204. # [18:03] <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  205. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, Julian, Sam, Matt_May, DanC, [Microsoft]
  206. # [18:03] <DanC> scribe: DanC
  207. # [18:03] <oedipus> zakim, pass?
  208. # [18:03] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, oedipus.
  209. # [18:03] <takkaria> gsnedders: yeah, but I thought JPEG was pretty much done with these days
  210. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P40
  211. # [18:03] <rubys> zakim, codes?
  212. # [18:03] <hsivonen> Zakim, ??P40 is me
  213. # [18:03] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, rubys.
  214. # [18:03] <Zakim> +hsivonen; got it
  215. # [18:04] <DanC> Zakim, code?
  216. # [18:04] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DanC
  217. # [18:04] <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JanMar/0010.html
  218. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-01-22 [w/addendum] from Sam Ruby on 2009-01-21 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  219. # [18:04] * oedipus thanks, DanC
  220. # [18:04] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  221. # [18:04] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  222. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  223. # [18:04] <hsivonen> my regrets for the second half of the call (I have to leave in 30 minutes)
  224. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
  225. # [18:04] <DanC> Zakim, [Microsoft] is Cynthia_Shelly
  226. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
  227. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  228. # [18:05] <oedipus> zakim, who is here?
  229. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, Julian, Sam, Matt_May, DanC, Cynthia_Shelly, hsivonen, Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, [Microsoft]
  230. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, DanC, Joshue, masinter, dsinger, rubys, oedipus, ChrisWilson, adrianba, laplink, smedero, zcorpan, deane, billmason, aroben, aaronlev, gavin_, Julian,
  231. # [18:05] <DanC> Topic: Issue states
  232. # [18:05] <Zakim> ... MichaelC, ed_work, darobin, Dashiva, marcos, Lachy, tlr, ROBOd, heycam, rking3, shepazu, sryo, anne, gsnedders, hober, phenny, xover, karl, drry, pimpbot, krijnh, jgraham,
  233. # [18:05] <Zakim> ... timelyx, wilhelm, gavin, deltab, Shunsuke, matt, Hixie, trackbot, inimino, hsivonen, jmb, Philip, Yudai, takkaria
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  235. # [18:05] <adrianba> Zakim, [Microsoft] is adrianba
  236. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  237. # [18:05] <DanC> Sam: note update to issue states in http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
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  239. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  240. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: HTML - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  241. # [18:06] <DanC> (no comments)
  242. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> zakim, microsoft is me
  243. # [18:06] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  244. # [18:06] <DanC> (last edited 2009-01-20 23:06:24 by SamRuby)
  245. # [18:06] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-59 (normative-language-reference)
  246. # [18:06] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/markup-spec/
  247. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: HTML 5: The Markup Language (at www.w3.org)
  248. # [18:06] <hsivonen> q+
  249. # [18:06] * Zakim sees hsivonen on the speaker queue
  250. # [18:07] <DanC> Sam: I propose we publish http://www.w3.org/html/wg/markup-spec/
  251. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: HTML 5: The Markup Language (at www.w3.org)
  252. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Shawn_Medero
  253. # [18:07] <DanC> hsivonen: I object to publishing it as a normative spec; it's valuable, but having 2 normative documents is a problem...
  254. # [18:08] * shepazu chuckles at the recursion in HTML 5: The Markup Language
  255. # [18:08] <DanC> ... also, markup-spec basically includes the schema from validator.nu , and I don't think it should be normative
  256. # [18:08] * Joins: MikeSmith (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org)
  257. # [18:08] <DanC> ... if it weren't my schema, I would like that, so on behalf of potential competitors, I don't think we should do that
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  260. # [18:09] <billyjackass> Zakim, call-Mike-Mobile
  261. # [18:09] <Zakim> I don't understand 'call-Mike-Mobile', billyjackass
  262. # [18:09] <deane> I object to publishing the markup-spec, it hasn't been reviewed by the group. There are other reasons for objecting, but I would rather discuss in email
  263. # [18:09] * DanC heard the proposal as to publish, not to consider publishing
  264. # [18:09] * Quits: billyjackass (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org) (Quit: Tomorrow to fresh woods, and pastures new.)
  265. # [18:09] <DanC> Sam: I hear your arguments; neither this doc nor the HTML 5 spec enjoys consensus; do you think your argument should prevent publication?
  266. # [18:09] <Julian> depends on the definition of "publish"
  267. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  268. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  269. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Mike
  270. # [18:10] <oedipus> q+ to ask naively why does this document exist? what is its relationship to the HTML5 spec as submitted to W3C
  271. # [18:10] * Zakim sees hsivonen, oedipus on the speaker queue
  272. # [18:10] * DanC is getting a little lost... wonder what sam just refered to
  273. # [18:10] <oedipus> ack h
  274. # [18:10] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  275. # [18:10] <DanC> hsivonen: publishing as WD suggests an eventual REC, yes?
  276. # [18:10] <deane> The spec has been discussed at length by the group though
  277. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  278. # [18:11] <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, Julian, Sam, Matt_May, DanC, Cynthia_Shelly, hsivonen, Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, adrianba, ChrisWilson, Shawn_Medero, Mike
  279. # [18:11] <oedipus> q?
  280. # [18:11] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  281. # [18:11] <DanC> [missed some; hope it wasn't essential technical stuff]
  282. # [18:11] <deane> publishing the spec is in the charter, it's not a new concept like the "markup-spec"
  283. # [18:12] <oedipus> ack me
  284. # [18:12] <Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to ask naively why does this document exist? what is its relationship to the HTML5 spec as submitted to W3C
  285. # [18:12] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  286. # [18:12] <shepazu> mailing-list++
  287. # [18:12] * ChrisWilson thinks Mike should reply to that
  288. # [18:13] <DanC> Sam: the HTML 5 spec has a number of things that are controversial; the TAG asked us to look at other approaches, and this is one... the proposal to publish isn't a guarantee of its outcome
  289. # [18:13] <Julian> q+
  290. # [18:13] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  291. # [18:13] <oedipus> GJR: note or REC track?
  292. # [18:13] <DanC> Sam: regarding 2 normative specs, I think competition would be healthy
  293. # [18:14] <DanC> ... we can continue to discuss this proposal in the mailing list
  294. # [18:14] <masinter> q+
  295. # [18:14] * Zakim sees Julian, masinter on the speaker queue
  296. # [18:14] <hsivonen> IIRC, it isn't a proper subset
  297. # [18:14] <DanC> Julian: my understanding is that the html-markup spec is derived not only from the validator.nu schema but also text from the HTML 5 spec. it has sections pulled from the HTML 5 spec
  298. # [18:15] <DanC> ack Julian
  299. # [18:15] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  300. # [18:15] <deane> Sam, the HTML WG, has never decided if we need a markup-spec, so I don't think it's appropriate to publish
  301. # [18:15] * DanC thinks the WG is now in the process of deciding
  302. # [18:15] <Julian> ack masinter
  303. # [18:15] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  304. # [18:15] <DanC> q+
  305. # [18:15] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  306. # [18:15] <DanC> Masinter: are people objecting to discussion of publication?
  307. # [18:16] * Joins: marcos (marcos@81.148.94.142)
  308. # [18:16] <deane> It all arose from misinformation (like most things)
  309. # [18:16] * Quits: marcos (marcos@81.148.94.142) (Quit: marcos)
  310. # [18:16] * ChrisWilson har har
  311. # [18:17] <deane> I wasn't joking
  312. # [18:17] <deane> :)
  313. # [18:17] <DanC> DanC: I understand the proposal to be to publish, not to discuss publishing. This WG takes several days between when questions are put and when the outcome of the decision is announced
  314. # [18:18] <DanC> Sam: I'd like to have a high bar for objections...
  315. # [18:18] <dsinger> when did it become something that was even a potential deliverable (the intro says it is not an agreed deliverable of the group)? going straight from "not a deliverable" to "publish this" seems a leap, to me...
  316. # [18:18] <deane> hear hear
  317. # [18:18] <DanC> DanC: well, whether a WG participant objects is up to that participant, right? I understand hsivonen to have objected, formally...
  318. # [18:18] <DanC> Doug: on behalf o Mozilla?
  319. # [18:18] <DanC> DanC: yes
  320. # [18:18] * oedipus splinterers
  321. # [18:18] <DanC> HSivonen: as a validator.nu developer
  322. # [18:18] * ChrisWilson OBJECTIONS ALL AROUND!
  323. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
  324. # [18:18] * Quits: MikeSmith (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org) (Ping timeout)
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  326. # [18:19] * gsnedders throws an objection into the arena
  327. # [18:19] <dsinger> really concerned about having two specs and having to deal with contradictions, explain their relationship, and so on...what is the proposed publication status?
  328. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
  329. # [18:19] <DanC> (I understand Sam to have proposed status of WD)
  330. # [18:20] <masinter> q+
  331. # [18:20] * Zakim sees DanC, masinter on the speaker queue
  332. # [18:20] <DanC> Sam: hsivonen, pls elaborate on your objection?
  333. # [18:20] <DanC> hsivonen: having a normative specification built from a schema seems circular. [scribe doesn't think he got the gist of that]
  334. # [18:21] <DanC> (I should have sent mail... I wonder about publishing Mike's doc as a NOTE called "A schema-based description of HTML 5"; but I'm not sure I should muddy the waters now...)
  335. # [18:22] <DanC> Mike: it's currently in sync what validator.nu, but that's not an essential constraint
  336. # [18:22] <oedipus> +1 to sam on moving on
  337. # [18:22] <deane> I believe that the W3C has been sending mixed messages to people about what the HTML5 spec is, and what's in scope, and this IMO is how the request arose for a "markup-spec". So, IMO there is no need for such a document, it contridicts the main spec.
  338. # [18:22] <DanC> q- masinter
  339. # [18:22] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  340. # [18:22] <zcorpan> circular as in bugs in hsivonen's schema become bugs in the spec if the spec is generated from the schema (which become non-bugs since by definition it is correct behavior)?
  341. # [18:22] <DanC> q- DanC
  342. # [18:22] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  343. # [18:22] * jgraham thinks that an informative document would be useful, a normative one bad
  344. # [18:22] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-65: HTML 5 spec update after 10 June 2008
  345. # [18:23] <hsivonen> the schema becoming out of sync with validator.nu would invoke my previous objection :-)
  346. # [18:23] <DanC> Sam: note proposal to publish http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JanMar/0012.html
  347. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-95, ISSUE-65: Plan to publish a new WD of HTML-5 from Chris Wilson on 2009-01-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  348. # [18:23] <dsinger> ...thinks an informative documen might be useful, but a normative one bad...
  349. # [18:23] <DanC> Sam: any objections?
  350. # [18:23] <deane> I think Mike's work should be incorpororated into the main spec.
  351. # [18:23] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-54 (doctype-legacy-compat)
  352. # [18:23] <oedipus> pointer to emessage please
  353. # [18:23] <DanC> Sam: we seem to have consensus around a recent proposal...
  354. # [18:24] <DanC> hsivonen: proposing 2 valid doctypes: <!DOCTYPES html>, as current, and ...
  355. # [18:24] <zcorpan> (also constraints hsivonen some day prefers to implement in java instead of schema become undefined in the spec if the spec is generated from the schema)
  356. # [18:24] <Julian> q+
  357. # [18:24] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  358. # [18:24] <DanC> ... <!DOCTYPES html system "about:sgml-compat">
  359. # [18:24] <hsivonen> <!DOCTYPE html> and <!DOCTYPE html SYSTEM "about:sgml-compat">
  360. # [18:24] <DanC> q+ to request registration about:
  361. # [18:24] * Zakim sees Julian, DanC on the speaker queue
  362. # [18:24] * hober s/DOCTYPES/DOCTYPE/g
  363. # [18:25] <oedipus> +1 to hold off for a week
  364. # [18:25] <DanC> start of thread is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0063.html
  365. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat from Sam Ruby on 2009-01-08 (public-html@w3.org from January 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  366. # [18:25] <DanC> -1 hold off for a week
  367. # [18:25] <masinter> +1 hold off, "about:" scheme is unregistered
  368. # [18:25] <DanC> ack Julian
  369. # [18:25] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  370. # [18:25] * oedipus thank you VERY much DanC
  371. # [18:25] <hober> How about a tag: URI?
  372. # [18:25] * DanC doesn't grok Julian
  373. # [18:25] <hsivonen> q+
  374. # [18:25] * Zakim sees DanC, hsivonen on the speaker queue
  375. # [18:26] <DanC> ack danc
  376. # [18:26] <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to request registration about:
  377. # [18:26] * Zakim sees hsivonen on the speaker queue
  378. # [18:26] <Julian> Julian: the alternate doctype should be accepted as valid, otherwise there's no point in adding it.
  379. # [18:26] <hober> tag:w3.org,2009-01:sgml-compat or some-such
  380. # [18:26] <DanC> DanC: I'm happy to consider this done provided someone volunteers to get about: registered as a URI scheme
  381. # [18:26] * Joins: MikeSmith (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org)
  382. # [18:26] <DanC> Masinter: that could be tricky... might need a registry of values
  383. # [18:27] <gsnedders> hober: That seems too long
  384. # [18:27] <hsivonen> hober, that date is dangerously close to a version number
  385. # [18:27] <DanC> action-91 due next week
  386. # [18:27] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-91.
  387. # [18:27] <trackbot> ACTION-91 Propose 'legacy-compat' and report on feedback due date now next week
  388. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  389. # [18:27] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  390. # [18:27] <hober> IIRC you need at least the year, so I guess s/-01// would work too
  391. # [18:27] <DanC> (er... trackbot???)
  392. # [18:27] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-13 (handling-http-401-status)
  393. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make log public
  394. # [18:27] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
  395. # [18:28] <zcorpan> putting a date in there means you have to google for it (because it's impossible to remember all magic dates in doctypes, namespaces, etc)
  396. # [18:28] * oedipus thanks MikeSmith for pushing minutes
  397. # [18:28] <DanC> Masinter: I'd like us to review http [?]
  398. # [18:28] <Julian> q+
  399. # [18:28] * Zakim sees hsivonen, Julian on the speaker queue
  400. # [18:28] <hsivonen> q-
  401. # [18:28] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  402. # [18:28] <DanC> ... we talked about taking origin out... should we do that here?
  403. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> title: HTML WG weekly telcon
  404. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> chair: Sam Ruby
  405. # [18:29] <DanC> DanC: I gather Hickson took the 401 stuff out after some experimentation
  406. # [18:29] <DanC> Julian: yes, that text is gone...
  407. # [18:29] <masinter> thanks, that was my question
  408. # [18:29] <DanC> ... I've been following Thomas Broyer's IETF ID; I gather a new draft is in progress
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  410. # [18:29] <DanC> q+
  411. # [18:29] * Zakim sees Julian, DanC on the speaker queue
  412. # [18:30] <DanC> julain: what would a decision to postpone mean?
  413. # [18:30] <DanC> Sam: I'd move this back to RAISED if we don't have a concrete proposal
  414. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> s/julain:/Julian:/
  415. # [18:31] <DanC> DanC: when I proposed to postpone, I meant "not in HTML5", i.e. RESOLVED WONTFIX
  416. # [18:31] <DanC> Masinter: seems addressed elsewhere, to me
  417. # [18:33] <DanC> DanC: how does Thomas Broyer's proposal work? browser builder interest?
  418. # [18:33] <DanC> Julian: aside from a bug in opera, it doesn't require any browser builder changes
  419. # [18:33] <DanC> Julian: it introduces a 'cookie' auth scheme...
  420. # [18:34] * hsivonen my 30 minutes are up. my regrets for leaving early.
  421. # [18:34] <Zakim> -hsivonen
  422. # [18:34] <rubys> I'd like to move on in a minute or two...
  423. # [18:34] * Quits: gavin_ (gavin@99.226.207.11) (Ping timeout)
  424. # [18:34] <rubys> doesn't sound like the status is CLOSED or PENDING
  425. # [18:34] <rubys> s/PENDING/POSTPONED/
  426. # [18:35] <DanC> (I can't seem to get Julain to tell me who is in the critical path for deployment. who changes from 200 to 4xx? webmasters? any big webmasters lined up to do this?)
  427. # [18:35] * Parts: alexf (alejandro@85.152.42.1)
  428. # [18:35] <DanC> Sam: so we can move this back to RAISED until further work is available
  429. # [18:36] <DanC> action-86 due 1 June 2009
  430. # [18:36] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-86.
  431. # [18:36] <trackbot> ACTION-86 Review Thomas Broyer's IETF ID to see if we can postpone ISSUE-13 due date now 1 June 2009
  432. # [18:36] <DanC> Topic: issue-31 missing-alt
  433. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  434. # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  435. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  436. # [18:36] <DanC> Matt: yes, the WAI coordination group met and decided to put something to draft a position... in a couple weeks
  437. # [18:36] <Julian> DanC, users of web servers would need to change their code to return 401/WWW-Authenticate: Cookie instead of 200.
  438. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> meeting: HTML WG weekly telcon
  439. # [18:37] <DanC> Sam: lacking a concrete proposal, let's move this issue to RAISED, OK?
  440. # [18:37] <DanC> ACTION-98 due 5 Feb 2009
  441. # [18:37] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-98.
  442. # [18:37] <trackbot> ACTION-98 Discuss missing-alt with the WAI CG and report back due date now 5 Feb 2009
  443. # [18:37] <rubys> change Issue-31 state to RAISED and move the date on action-98 out two weeks, any objections?
  444. # [18:38] <DanC> Zakim, mute me
  445. # [18:38] <Zakim> DanC should now be muted
  446. # [18:38] <DanC> ACTION-93?
  447. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-93
  448. # [18:38] <trackbot> ACTION-93 -- Larry Masinter to make a proposal on doctypes and versioning -- due 2009-01-29 -- OPEN
  449. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/93
  450. # [18:38] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  451. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> action-76?
  452. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-76
  453. # [18:38] <trackbot> ACTION-76 -- Chris Wilson to create poll on issue-32, based on Joshue's page from action-66 -- due 2009-01-31 -- OPEN
  454. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/76
  455. # [18:38] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  456. # [18:40] * Joins: gavin_ (gavin@99.226.207.11)
  457. # [18:40] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-37 (html-svg-mathml)
  458. # [18:40] <DanC> Doug: I expect progress today and next thu on ACTION-94 (
  459. # [18:40] <DanC> Doug: I've been experimenting with <img> vs <object>
  460. # [18:40] <oedipus> shepazu, i am intrigued by your philosophy and would like to subscribe to your newsletter
  461. # [18:40] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-60 (html5-xhtml-namespace)
  462. # [18:41] <DanC> ACTION-79?
  463. # [18:41] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-79
  464. # [18:41] <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Sam Ruby to - send email to spark issue-60 -- due 2009-02-13 -- OPEN
  465. # [18:41] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/79
  466. # [18:41] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-79 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  467. # [18:41] <shepazu> s/<img> vs <object>/<img> vs <object>, and <foreignObject>/
  468. # [18:41] <DanC> Sam: this is on my stack, but not high
  469. # [18:41] <DanC> LMM: why postpone?
  470. # [18:41] <DanC> Sam: if anybody wants it, fine by me...
  471. # [18:41] <DanC> LMM: OK, I'll take it
  472. # [18:42] <oedipus> shepazu, let me know if i can help by porting info to: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/MathMLinHTML5
  473. # [18:42] <pimpbot> Title: PF/XTech/HTML5/MathMLinHTML5 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  474. # [18:42] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-55 (head-profile)
  475. # [18:42] <DanC> q+
  476. # [18:42] * Zakim sees Julian, DanC on the speaker queue
  477. # [18:42] <Julian> q-
  478. # [18:42] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  479. # [18:42] <DanC> ACTION-75?
  480. # [18:42] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-75
  481. # [18:42] <trackbot> ACTION-75 -- Michael(tm) Smith to raise question to group about Yes, leave @profile out, No, re-add it -- and cite Hixie's summary of the discussion -- due 2009-02-19 -- OPEN
  482. # [18:42] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/75
  483. # [18:42] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-75 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  484. # [18:42] <DanC> Mike: We don't seem to have consensus
  485. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> ack Julian
  486. # [18:43] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  487. # [18:43] <DanC> ack danc
  488. # [18:43] * Zakim unmutes DanC
  489. # [18:43] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  490. # [18:43] <oedipus> DanC: took this action because didn't think more discussion would change anyone's mind; that's why the action is important
  491. # [18:43] <oedipus> MS: don't think survey appropriate
  492. # [18:43] * rubys shares Mike's misgivings on surveys...
  493. # [18:43] <oedipus> DC: don't do a survey, then
  494. # [18:44] <oedipus> MS: basing decisions on results of surveys is best
  495. # [18:44] <oedipus> DC: putting question to people should be done via email
  496. # [18:44] <DanC> s/should/may/
  497. # [18:44] <oedipus> MS: sending email and trying to evaluate results of email discussion
  498. # [18:45] <oedipus> DC: choice of survey: informational and speak-now-or-forever-hold-your piece
  499. # [18:45] <Joshue> JOC: Well the proposed survey for the summary attribute is its last recourse for a stay of execution. Is it a waste of time?
  500. # [18:45] <oedipus> MS: speculate from examination so far, will have formal objections to removing @profile
  501. # [18:45] * shepazu thanks oedipus
  502. # [18:46] <oedipus> SR: will get worse than that - base of zero and what works on web
  503. # [18:46] <oedipus> DC: should withdraw this action because MikeSmith no longer a chair
  504. # [18:46] <oedipus> SR: second that
  505. # [18:46] <DanC> close action-75
  506. # [18:46] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-75.
  507. # [18:46] <trackbot> ACTION-75 Raise question to group about Yes, leave @profile out, No, re-add it -- and cite Hixie's summary of the discussion closed
  508. # [18:46] <oedipus> MS: happy to have action withdrawn;
  509. # [18:46] <oedipus> SR: could move to RAISED or POSTPONED
  510. # [18:47] <oedipus> DC: moving to POSTPONED is giving another week for email review
  511. # [18:47] <oedipus> SR: someone needs to take an action
  512. # [18:47] <oedipus> DC: how do you propose we move forward
  513. # [18:47] <oedipus> SR: issue raised; differing opinions as how to resolve; further discussion likely to be circular
  514. # [18:48] <oedipus> SR: anyone change their mind?
  515. # [18:48] * DanC would rather oedipus not scribe this non-technical stuff
  516. # [18:48] <rubys> s/SR/LM/
  517. # [18:48] * oedipus chair?
  518. # [18:48] <oedipus> SR: wary of action item with no one assigned to it
  519. # [18:49] <oedipus> MS: volunteer to review issue and come up with recommendation
  520. # [18:49] <DanC> LMM: I'm willing to review the issue and make a propsal in 2 weeks
  521. # [18:49] * oedipus back to DanC - just trying to minute you while you talked
  522. # [18:49] <DanC> oedipus, are you volunteering to clean up the minutes? if not, please stop
  523. # [18:50] <DanC> ACTION: masinter to review @profile due 2 weeks
  524. # [18:50] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  525. # [18:50] <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Review @profile due 2 weeks [on Larry Masinter - due 2009-01-29].
  526. # [18:50] * RRSAgent records action 1
  527. # [18:50] <oedipus> i/DanC: took this action/ScribeNick: oedipus
  528. # [18:50] <oedipus> i/close action-75/ScribeNick: DanC
  529. # [18:50] <oedipus> i/DanC: took this action/ScribeNick: oedipus
  530. # [18:50] <oedipus> i/close action-75/ScribeNick: DanC
  531. # [18:51] * oedipus i'm done
  532. # [18:51] * DanC thanks
  533. # [18:52] * oedipus didn't mean to intrude, but to help
  534. # [18:53] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-56 (urls-webarch):
  535. # [18:53] <DanC> DanC: the funding negotiation I've been doing with adobe about authoring materials is done, so this URI stuff might get a little lower proiority
  536. # [18:53] <DanC> LMM: I'm willing to help with the URI stuff
  537. # [18:54] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-13 (handling-http-401-status)
  538. # [18:54] <DanC> LMM: [missed]
  539. # [18:54] <DanC> LMM: adam posted a link to the new IETF draft
  540. # [18:55] <masinter> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abarth-origin-00
  541. # [18:55] <pimpbot> Title: draft-abarth-origin-00 - The HTTP Origin Header (at tools.ietf.org)
  542. # [18:55] <DanC> (I don't see Adam's msg)
  543. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  544. # [18:55] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  545. # [18:55] <pimpbot> Title: SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  546. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Shawn_Medero
  547. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  548. # [18:55] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  549. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Matt_May
  550. # [18:55] <Zakim> -adrianba
  551. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Sam
  552. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Julian
  553. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  554. # [18:55] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  555. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Mike
  556. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Masinter
  557. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
  558. # [18:55] * Quits: mattmay (mattmay@71.227.174.117) (Quit: mattmay)
  559. # [18:55] <DanC> Sam: let's adjourn. I expect discussion on [chinese menu numbers]
  560. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Shepazu
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  562. # [18:56] <dsinger> bye
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  565. # [18:56] <DanC> Sam, I think it's recording what you expect discussion on, with subject keywords, not just numbers... repeat, please?
  566. # [18:57] <Julian> issue-59, action-77
  567. # [18:57] <Julian> issue-54, action-81
  568. # [18:57] <Julian> s/81/91/
  569. # [18:57] <Julian> as far as I recall
  570. # [18:58] <DanC> thanks
  571. # [18:58] <DanC> Sam: I expect discussion on ISSUE-59 (normative-language-reference), ISSUE-54 doctype-legacy-compat
  572. # [19:01] <DanC> Zakim, I hung up
  573. # [19:01] <Zakim> I don't understand 'I hung up', DanC
  574. # [19:01] <DanC> Zakim, drop me
  575. # [19:01] <Zakim> DanC is being disconnected
  576. # [19:01] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  577. # [19:01] <Zakim> Attendees were Masinter, Julian, Sam, DanC, Matt_May, hsivonen, Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, Cynthia_Shelly, adrianba, ChrisWilson, Shawn_Medero, Mike
  578. # [19:01] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  579. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  580. # [19:01] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG weekly telcon -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  581. # [19:02] <DanC> smedero, now's the time to pitch in on minutes clean-up, if you're still interested
  582. # [19:02] * DanC wanders off to TAG telcon... will send out minutes within a day or two
  583. # [19:02] * oedipus DanC - do you want me to finish pushing the minutes?
  584. # [19:03] <smedero> hrm, why didn't rrsagent grab Mike's fix ups on the chair...
  585. # [19:03] <oedipus> smedero, refresh the minutes -- sam is listed as chair
  586. # [19:03] <oedipus> pimpbot is a bit slow
  587. # [19:03] <pimpbot> oedipus: Huh?
  588. # [19:03] <smedero> there we go.
  589. # [19:03] <smedero> thanks
  590. # [19:04] <oedipus> no problem - you going to push the minutes?
  591. # [19:04] <smedero> scanning them now, but yes I will make them public
  592. # [19:04] * oedipus would you mind if i dismissed zakim?
  593. # [19:04] <smedero> that's fine
  594. # [19:04] <oedipus> zakim, please part
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  596. # [19:05] * oedipus i don't want to get in your way -- just help if i can
  597. # [19:05] <smedero> no problems
  598. # [19:05] * oedipus i'll be around if you need any technical assistance or advice
  599. # [19:07] <oedipus> i/MS: happy to have action/ScribeNick: oedipus
  600. # [19:07] <oedipus> i/LMM: I'm willing to review/ScribeNick: DanC
  601. # [19:07] <oedipus> rrsagent, please make minutes
  602. # [19:07] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html oedipus
  603. # [19:07] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG weekly telcon -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  604. # [19:07] <smedero> yeah I just noticed that lengthy bit at the end.
  605. # [19:08] * oedipus shawn, that should take care of the scribing attribution switches
  606. # [19:08] * oedipus unless we use /me everything will be recorded by rrsagent
  607. # [19:08] * smedero gotcha
  608. # [19:08] * oedipus and i don't have clearance to use the ,tools to edit out the extraneous stuff
  609. # [19:08] <gsnedders> oedipus: We've adjourned. It isn't anymore.
  610. # [19:09] * oedipus you know about the ,tools, right
  611. # [19:09] * smedero yes
  612. # [19:09] <oedipus> gsnedders, RRSAgent is still logging because it is the only way non-staff can edit and tweak the minutes
  613. # [19:09] * oedipus dismissing RRSAgent should always be the VERY LAST thing done after reviewing the minutes and ensuring they are ok to send
  614. # [19:10] * oedipus without RRSAgent, non-staff/non-chairs cannot edit or tweak the minutes
  615. # [19:10] <gsnedders> rrsagent, please make minutes
  616. # [19:10] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html gsnedders
  617. # [19:10] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG weekly telcon -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  618. # [19:11] <smedero> s/incorpororated/incorporated/
  619. # [19:11] * oedipus i'll leave the minutes in your more-than-capable hands, shawn
  620. # [19:11] <smedero> s/proiority/priority/
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  622. # [19:12] * smedero thanks for cleaning up your scribe bits (and scribing those bits to begin with)
  623. # [19:12] * gsnedders is sure he remembers something about RRSAgent not logging while still present and minutes editable (without ,tools)
  624. # [19:12] * oedipus no problem - i know from long experience how hard it is to scribe oneself
  625. # [19:12] <smedero> s/propsal/proposal/
  626. # [19:13] * oedipus gsnedders, http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent
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  628. # [19:13] <smedero> rrsagent, please make minutes
  629. # [19:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html smedero
  630. # [19:13] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG weekly telcon -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  631. # [19:13] * oedipus who invited pimpbot?
  632. # [19:14] * smedero that's MikeSmith's
  633. # [19:14] * oedipus ok
  634. # [19:14] * oedipus thanks
  635. # [19:14] * gsnedders notes it is totally pimpin'
  636. # [19:14] * oedipus i hear pimpin' ain't easy...
  637. # [19:16] <smedero> s/on behalf o Mozilla/on behalf of Mozilla/
  638. # [19:16] <smedero> rrsagent, please make minutes
  639. # [19:16] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-minutes.html smedero
  640. # [19:16] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG weekly telcon -- 22 Jan 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  641. # [19:16] * smedero thinks that's it... anything else worth patching up, oedipus ?
  642. # [19:16] * smedero otherwise i'll make these public...
  643. # [19:17] * smedero actually that seems to have been done already
  644. # [19:17] * smedero so nevermind...
  645. # [19:18] * smedero not sure how to clean the post-meeting blabbering by myself at the end... seem best to let a w3c team member get in there and whack them via CVS.
  646. # [19:19] * gsnedders smedero: s// maybe?
  647. # [19:19] * gsnedders smedero: as in s/foo//
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  650. # [19:26] <smedero> rrsagent, bye
  651. # [19:26] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-actions.rdf :
  652. # [19:26] <RRSAgent> ACTION: masinter to review @profile due 2 weeks [1]
  653. # [19:26] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-html-wg-irc#T17-48-51
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  655. # [19:28] <smedero> MikeSmith: Does <pimpbot> have a mute switch?
  656. # [19:28] * oedipus smedero, try pimp-slapping it
  657. # [19:28] <smedero> ...he/she is kinda mouthy when glancing through the minutes
  658. # [19:29] <smedero> ...though it is nicely associating the phrase pimpbot and html together for google.
  659. # [19:29] * smedero has to run to another meeting
  660. # [19:29] * oedipus as for clean up at the end of the minutes, i would say, leave them for now and email the chairs and staff contact to ask them to remove the extraneous manner
  661. # [19:30] * smedero done
  662. # [19:30] * oedipus good thanks!
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  685. # [21:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6457] registerContentHandler() and sniffing" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jan/0037.html>
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  695. # [23:15] <heycam> there's no transcript from the IE team web chat yet is there?
  696. # [23:19] * heycam sees the claim "There is no official roadmap for IE9, but native SVG support is likely." in http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/01/more-details-ab.html but would like to read the transcript himself
  697. # [23:19] <pimpbot> Title: More Details About IE8, Web Standards and Performance | Epicenter from Wired.com (at blog.wired.com)
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  699. # [23:26] <gsnedders> heycam: There is a roadmap for IE9, it just isn't public.
  700. # [23:26] <gsnedders> heycam: It was mentioned that SVG was something that had been requested a lot.
  701. # [23:26] <gsnedders> heycam: That covers those two points about what was said
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  703. # [23:29] <heycam> so that wired.com article is a bit of a leap to say that SVG support is likely, then
  704. # [23:29] <heycam> one can hope, anyway :)
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