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  4. # [00:23] <karl> http://twitter.com/feather/status/1167983744
  5. # [00:23] <pimpbot> Title: Twitter / Derek Featherstone: Just saw a job ad for a co ... (at twitter.com)
  6. # [00:23] <karl> >Just saw a job ad for a contract position where HTML5 was in the required skillset
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  9. # [00:33] <pimpbot> Title: Bloomberg.com: News (at www.bloomberg.com)
  10. # [00:33] <heycam> more rumours of flash on iphone
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  55. # [12:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6476] cross-origin media element loads and progress events" ( message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Feb/0000.html>
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  60. # [15:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6516] obsolete attributes on HTMLDocument assume there is a body element" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Feb/0003.html> ** "[Bug 6516] New: obsolete attributes on HTMLDocument assume there is a body element" (1 message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Feb/0002.html> ** "[Bug 6515] New: the body element event handler attributes and missin
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  65. # [16:54] * karl wonders if there are any issues with "data-" in some implementations? Do we have a simple interop tables somewhere?
  66. # [16:56] <Lachy> karl, what kind of issues are you looking for?
  67. # [16:57] <Lachy> all browsers correctly place unknown attributes into the DOM, and element.getAttribute() works
  68. # [16:57] <Lachy> the dataset API doesn't work, but that's to be expected
  69. # [16:58] <karl> I'm not looking for a kind of issues, I'm wondering if there are issues at al :) Your answer seems to answer my question. Thanks !
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  72. # [17:11] <Philip> Does getAttribute('data-foo') work in IE6, and it's not one of these funny things where you have to write getAttribute('dataFoo') instead?
  73. # [17:12] <Lachy> Philip, I don't think so. AFAIK, that quirk only applied to getAttribute("className") instead of "class" on all elements, and "htmlFor" instead of "for" on label elements
  74. # [17:14] <Philip> Lachy: Didn't it affect elmt.ariaFoo and elmt.getAttribute('ariaFoo') too?
  75. # [17:15] <Lachy> I thought the problems with aria were only namespace and colon related.
  76. # [17:16] <Philip> There were issues with ARIA attribute access in IE8b2
  77. # [17:17] <Philip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2008Mar/0013.html etc
  78. # [17:18] <pimpbot> Title: RE: IE8 incompatibility issues (was: Re: Issue: IE 8 adds new DOM Properties for ARIA -- not compatible with other impls) from Marc Silbey on 2008-03-13 (www-archive@w3.org from March 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
  79. # [17:18] <Philip> (That's only for recognised attributes, and data-* won't be recognised so maybe that's alright)
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  81. # [17:21] <Lachy> I just tried IE8b2 with aria-busy and data-test attributes. Both seemed to work correctly
  82. # [17:22] <Lachy> with getAttribute, at least. Didn't try set attribute
  83. # [17:22] <Philip> Lachy: Try in quirks mode
  84. # [17:22] <Lachy> ah, yeah, quirks mode is broken :-(
  85. # [17:24] <Philip> Apparently IE7-mode has the same issue
  86. # [17:24] <Philip> (and presumably the real IE7 too)
  87. # [17:25] <Lachy> IE7 didn't support aria, so it would be unaffected
  88. # [17:26] <Philip> When you said "quirks mode is broken :-(", did you mean just for getAttribute('aria-busy') or also for getAttribute('data-test')?
  89. # [17:27] <Lachy> I only tested "aria-busy" and "ariaBusy".
  90. # [17:28] <Lachy> I turned my windows machine off now
  91. # [17:28] <Philip> (since the latter is an unrecognised attribute, and so should be treated like how aria-* would be treated in IE7)
  92. # [17:28] <Lachy> that's what I assumed
  93. # [17:28] * Philip should probably stop being lazy and look at it himself :-)
  94. # [17:33] <gsnedders> lazy so and so.
  95. # [17:34] <Philip> Well, I'm not really lazy, I'm just busy playing Fallout 3
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  107. # [19:51] <DanC> hmm... I find http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-html-wg-irc but nothing in public-html-wg-announce; Lachy , I assumed you knew about sending out minutes; bad assumption?
  108. # [19:58] <Lachy> DanC, I assumed one of the chairs would do it, not the scribe
  109. # [19:58] <Lachy> also, I can never remember the commands
  110. # [19:58] <DanC> the only required command is to hit "send" on your mailer. the RRSAgent stuff is nice, but not essential
  111. # [19:59] <DanC> anyway... clearly we didn't make the scribe duties clear. fair enough
  112. # [20:02] <Lachy> it would be nice if RRSagent could send the mails automatically
  113. # [20:02] <Lachy> I gotta go
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  115. # [20:21] <rubys1> "clearly we didn't make the scribe duties clear"... it wasn't clear to me on the two meetings I scribed.
  116. # [20:23] <rubys1> Given the way the W3C operates, I assume that this is documented someplace that one can reference via a URI?
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  118. # [20:42] * DanC finishes a call, tunes back in
  119. # [20:44] <DanC> rubys1, there are 3 sorts of documentation: (1) formal W3C process, (2) tool documentation and (3) group-local conventions
  120. # [20:45] <DanC> for group local conventions, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#telcon is what Mike and I have come up with
  121. # [20:45] <pimpbot> Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  122. # [20:45] <DanC> ew... no link from there to tool docs
  123. # [20:45] <rubys1> or even a mention of the role of 'scribe'
  124. # [20:45] * DanC checks http://www.w3.org/Guide/ ...
  125. # [20:45] <DanC> there I find a "scribe 101" link to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
  126. # [20:46] <pimpbot> Title: Scribe 101 (at www.w3.org)
  127. # [20:46] <DanC> ah... signed by plh; that's likely to be maintained
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  130. # [20:46] <DanC> but note it concludes "Once the record has been approved by the Group, send a text version of the record to the Group list"
  131. # [20:47] <DanC> some groups are very formal about approval of minutes; not the HTML WG: "Minutes are less formal than those of groups that regularly make binding technical decisions in teleconferences" -- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#telcon
  132. # [20:47] <pimpbot> Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  133. # [20:48] <DanC> in some groups, the chair checks the minutes every week. I doubt we want to do that.
  134. # [20:49] <DanC> So my preference is that the scribe is the only person in the critical path for getting the minutes out
  135. # [20:49] <rubys1> no objections here
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  137. # [20:52] <DanC> 1.144 adds a link to scribe 101 from #telcon
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  139. # [20:54] <DanC> we didn't recruit a scribe for next week during last week's call. :-/
  140. # [20:55] <DanC> (note last para of http://esw.w3.org/topic/MidwestWeeklyAgenda )
  141. # [20:55] <pimpbot> Title: MidwestWeeklyAgenda - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  142. # [20:55] <DanC> sigh... no link from http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html to the formal process
  143. # [20:55] <pimpbot> Title: Scribe 101 (at www.w3.org)
  144. # [20:56] <DanC> the formal process just says minutes have to be available within 48hrs of a telcon. (http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#GeneralMeetings )
  145. # [20:56] <pimpbot> Title: 3 General Policies for W3C Groups (at www.w3.org)
  146. # [20:58] <DanC> it's traditional to send out minutes by email (and tracker expects it) but if we wanted to, we could consider the existence of http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-html-wg-irc sufficient
  147. # [20:58] <DanC> I think there's a ,minutes thingy, i.e. http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-html-wg-irc,minutes ...
  148. # [20:58] <pimpbot> Title: Online Minutes Generator (at www.w3.org)
  149. # [21:00] <DanC> any preference, rubys1 ?
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  151. # [21:08] * DanC sent the TOC and pointer to IRC log and ,minutes to public-html-wg-announce
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  158. # [22:00] <karl> DanC: the ,minutes magic doesn't work for resources behind non public ACLs
  159. # [22:00] <karl> I mean if you don't have the credentials
  160. # [22:00] <DanC> how is that relevant?
  161. # [22:00] <DanC> all the stuff in this WG is public
  162. # [22:01] * DanC wonders what he missed
  163. # [22:01] <karl> you sent
  164. # [22:01] <karl> a nicer view:
  165. # [22:01] <karl> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-html-wg-irc,minutes
  166. # [22:01] <pimpbot> Title: Online Minutes Generator (at www.w3.org)
  167. # [22:01] <karl> well, I can't see as far as I know ;)
  168. # [22:01] <karl> login/passwd requested
  169. # [22:02] <karl> aaaaah no
  170. # [22:02] <karl> my bad
  171. # [22:02] * karl is telling to myself "push the button, dude"
  172. # [22:02] <karl> Sorry for the noise DanC ;)
  173. # [22:03] <DanC> well, if the password prompt tripped you up, it'll trip others up too. it's a usability issue
  174. # [22:03] <karl> hmmm interesting in terms I have seen the red box UI so I assumed it didn't work… and I'm supposed to be used to it. :) doh
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  178. # [22:16] <karl> http://blog.doughellmann.com/2009/02/writing-technical-documentation-with.html
  179. # [22:16] <pimpbot> Title: Doug Hellmann: Writing Technical Documentation with Sphinx, Paver, and Cog (at blog.doughellmann.com)
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  182. # [22:20] <karl> http://ejohn.org/blog/the-dom-is-a-mess/
  183. # [22:20] <pimpbot> Title: John Resig - Talk: The DOM is a Mess (at ejohn.org)
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  189. # [23:23] <karl> hsivonen: do you send a callback value in validator.nu JSON output?
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