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  78. # [12:49] * Topic is 'HTML WG Weekly teleconference http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JanMar/0014.html (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ )'
  79. # [12:49] * Set by DanC on Thu Jan 29 17:50:29
  80. # [13:01] <pimpbot> planet: From the North <http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/02/css-namespaces>
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  93. # [17:26] <MikeSmith> rubys1: I won't be able to phone in to the telcon, due to the fact my presentation at Web Directions North today is at the same time as the call.
  94. # [17:30] <rubys1> @MikeSmith: OK
  95. # [17:31] <pimpbot> rubys1: Huh?
  96. # [17:32] <MikeSmith> rubys1: btw, I have pimpbot set up to interpret anything prefixed with "@" as a command
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  99. # [17:35] * DanC_lap waves from Web Directions North, where the Ajaxian guys are presenting
  100. # [17:36] <anne> I could dial in for the telcon but only with a silly oldfashioned phone. Therefore, I think I'll leave it to Lachy and participate over IRC for another week.
  101. # [17:37] <jgraham> anne: You only have a rotary dial phone
  102. # [17:37] <jgraham> ?
  103. # [17:37] <karl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Feb/0037
  104. # [17:37] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Media types for XHTML 1.x document from Philippe Le Hegaret on 2009-02-05 (www-archive@w3.org from February 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  105. # [17:38] <karl> excellent message from PLH
  106. # [17:38] * plh discloses that he didn't give any money to Karl recently :)
  107. # [17:39] * karl is smiling at plh ;)
  108. # [17:39] * plh waves to Karl. Nice to see you around.
  109. # [17:40] * karl waves back. Thanks. Hot debates on htmlwg make it a good place for cold winters (in montreal). :)
  110. # [17:41] <rubys1> it would be helpful if we could get a scribe to volunteer before the call...
  111. # [17:41] <karl> sam how long the call is supposed to last?
  112. # [17:41] * karl is searching his phone headset
  113. # [17:41] <rubys1> in theory, an hour. If at is at all possible, I intend to make it a short call.
  114. # [17:42] <karl> ok I will scribe
  115. # [17:42] <rubys1> sweet! thanks
  116. # [17:42] <karl> let me time to come
  117. # [17:43] <karl> it is starting in 20 min?
  118. # [17:43] <rubys1> meeting is to start in about 20 minutes
  119. # [17:43] <karl> sweet
  120. # [17:47] <anne> jgraham, a phone without headset
  121. # [17:47] * karl will be using skype calling zakim
  122. # [17:48] <anne> my Skype on Ubuntu is broken
  123. # [17:48] <anne> and I haven't found the time or willingness to deal with it
  124. # [17:48] * jgraham doesn't even have an old fashioned phone
  125. # [17:49] <rubys1> It's POTS for me <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_old_telephone_service>
  126. # [17:49] <pimpbot> Title: Plain old telephone service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
  127. # [17:49] <Lachy> jgraham, do you have skype?
  128. # [17:49] <hsivonen> anne, skype on Ubuntu (gutsy & intrepid) WFM
  129. # [17:49] * DanC_lap wonders if anybody is lined up to scribe...
  130. # [17:49] <hsivonen> anne, output set to pulse audio on intrepid
  131. # [17:49] <rubys1> karl is
  132. # [17:49] <DanC_lap> agenda doesn't show my regrets; I guess I should have sent mail...
  133. # [17:50] <jgraham> Lachy: In principle I guess but I have never tried it and don't have a headset or anything
  134. # [17:50] <Lachy> oh, ok
  135. # [17:50] <Lachy> is there no phone anywhere in your office?
  136. # [17:51] <jgraham> Lachy: Yeah, other people have phones on their desk
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  138. # [17:51] <Lachy> you could borrow one of those
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  140. # [17:52] <DanC_lap> Zakim, this will be HTML
  141. # [17:52] <Zakim> ok, DanC_lap; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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  143. # [17:53] <anne> hsivonen, sweet
  144. # [17:53] * anne will dial in then at the cost of working less on CORS...
  145. # [17:54] <anne> jgraham, you should be able to expense a headset and Skype costs
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  147. # [17:55] <jgraham> anne: I guess I might try to organise it if someone thinks it is worthwhile for me to attend
  148. # [17:56] <Lachy> jgraham, just ask Sys Admin for a headset
  149. # [17:56] <Lachy> jgraham, it's up to you whether you want to attend
  150. # [17:56] <Lachy> I don't bother every week
  151. # [17:57] <DanC_lap> umm... no scribe volunteers in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/results
  152. # [17:57] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire HTML WG tasks - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  153. # [17:57] <Lachy> DanC_lap, karl already volunteered
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  155. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-irc
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  157. # [17:57] <DanC_lap> ah... thanks, Lachy ; missed that
  158. # [17:58] * ChrisWilson will be online-only, and may get interrupted
  159. # [17:59] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  160. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aaaa
  161. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Masinter
  162. # [17:59] <karl> trackbot, start telcon
  163. # [17:59] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  164. # [17:59] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  165. # [17:59] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  166. # [17:59] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  167. # [17:59] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  168. # [17:59] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  169. # [17:59] <trackbot> Date: 05 February 2009
  170. # [17:59] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  171. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  172. # [17:59] <karl> Chair: Sam Ruby
  173. # [17:59] <karl> Scribe: Karl
  174. # [17:59] <karl> ScribeNick: karl
  175. # [17:59] <rubys1> Zakim, code?
  176. # [17:59] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), rubys1
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  178. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.617.800.aabb
  179. # [18:00] <karl> zakim, +1.617.800.aabb is karl
  180. # [18:00] <Zakim> +karl; got it
  181. # [18:01] * karl is ready
  182. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P26
  183. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Sam
  184. # [18:01] <hsivonen> Zakim, ??P26 is me
  185. # [18:01] <Zakim> +hsivonen; got it
  186. # [18:02] <karl> Regrets: DanC, MikeSmith
  187. # [18:02] <karl> Present: Sam, Henri
  188. # [18:02] * Julian is here as well
  189. # [18:03] <karl> Present+ Julian
  190. # [18:03] <rubys1> Zakim, who is present?
  191. # [18:03] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, rubys1.
  192. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P25
  193. # [18:03] <anne> Zakim, P25 is me
  194. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, anne, I do not recognize a party named 'P25'
  195. # [18:03] <DanC_lap> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  196. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, Masinter, karl, hsivonen, Sam, ??P25
  197. # [18:03] <anne> Zakim, ??P25 is me
  198. # [18:03] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  199. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Matt_May
  200. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P49
  201. # [18:03] <karl> Present+ Anne, MattMay
  202. # [18:03] <Lachy> Zakim, I am ??P49
  203. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Lachy; got it
  204. # [18:04] <karl> Present+ Lachlan
  205. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.519.538.aacc
  206. # [18:04] <karl> Topic: Spec moratorium
  207. # [18:04] * Julian wonders who +1.519.538.aacc is
  208. # [18:05] <karl> Sam: the moratorium is lifted, because discussions keep repeated.
  209. # [18:05] <karl> ... let's move on.
  210. # [18:05] <rubys1> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-ua-task-force
  211. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: ARIA User Agent Implementation Task Force (at www.w3.org)
  212. # [18:05] <karl> Topic: Joint Task Force ARIA UA
  213. # [18:05] <karl> Sam: Look at link. Just for notice, you might be interested
  214. # [18:06] <karl> Topic: Issues List
  215. # [18:06] <karl> Sam: no progress on issue59
  216. # [18:06] <karl> ... let's talk about it next week
  217. # [18:06] <karl> ... on issue64 about legacy compat for doctype, can we close it? Ian made changes
  218. # [18:06] <MichaelC> zakim, call cooper-mit
  219. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  220. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Cooper.a
  221. # [18:07] <Julian> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/54
  222. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-54 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  223. # [18:07] <karl> aaaa: Can we put in on pending review?
  224. # [18:07] <MichaelC> zakim, drop cooper.a
  225. # [18:07] <Zakim> Cooper.a is being disconnected
  226. # [18:07] <Zakim> -Cooper.a
  227. # [18:07] <MichaelC> zakim, call cooper-mit
  228. # [18:07] <Julian> q+ to say we should watch about: URI scheme reg
  229. # [18:07] <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  230. # [18:07] <karl> sam: Ok. Pending review
  231. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Cooper
  232. # [18:07] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  233. # [18:07] <karl> ... for issue64
  234. # [18:08] <Julian> q-
  235. # [18:08] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  236. # [18:08] <anne> s/issue64/ISSUE-54/g
  237. # [18:08] <karl> ... We don't have a consensus on issue zz (?)
  238. # [18:08] <Julian> s/zz/64/
  239. # [18:08] <karl> ... Some text has been crafted
  240. # [18:08] <anne> people, 64 is about web sockets...
  241. # [18:08] <anne> we're not talking about that
  242. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
  243. # [18:09] <Julian> q+
  244. # [18:09] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  245. # [18:09] <Julian> q-
  246. # [18:09] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  247. # [18:09] <karl> ACTION: Ian to incorporate the text proposed by Larry
  248. # [18:09] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  249. # [18:09] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ian
  250. # [18:09] * RRSAgent records action 1
  251. # [18:09] * Joins: oedipus (oedipus@71.250.74.3)
  252. # [18:09] * oedipus apologies for coming in late
  253. # [18:09] * tlr-bbl is now known as tlr
  254. # [18:09] <masinter> i hereby disclaim any copyright on the text supplied for incorporation in the spec
  255. # [18:09] <karl> Sam: Table summaries, table headers
  256. # [18:10] <masinter> in case that's an issue :)
  257. # [18:10] <karl> ... Do we have any updates on issue 20?
  258. # [18:10] <karl> ... no updates it seems
  259. # [18:10] <oedipus> q+ to ask is the group awaiting feedback from WG members or PF?
  260. # [18:10] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  261. # [18:10] <oedipus> q?
  262. # [18:10] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  263. # [18:11] <karl> fooo4: We are
  264. # [18:11] <karl> fooo4: Are we waiting for PF WG?
  265. # [18:11] <karl> ... I will ask on Friday if we have feedback on this?
  266. # [18:11] <oedipus> GJR gregory rosmaita
  267. # [18:11] <karl> s/fooo4/Gregory/
  268. # [18:12] <oedipus> ACTION: GJR inquire about table summary and headers status at PFWG caucus - 2009-12-02
  269. # [18:12] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  270. # [18:12] * RRSAgent records action 2
  271. # [18:12] <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Inquire about table summary and headers status at PFWG caucus - 2009-12-02 [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2009-02-12].
  272. # [18:12] * karl thanks oedipus, anne and others ;)
  273. # [18:12] <karl> Sam: HTML5 Spec updates from Mike
  274. # [18:13] * oedipus do you want someone else to scribe?
  275. # [18:13] <karl> ... Mike is not on the call, let's pass
  276. # [18:13] <karl> ... Issue 4, the due date is one week from now.
  277. # [18:13] <karl> Larry: I'm still planning doing that
  278. # [18:13] <karl> Sam: Issue 27 for doug but he is not on the call
  279. # [18:14] <karl> Sam: issue 60 overdue for one week
  280. # [18:14] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  281. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  282. # [18:14] <karl> Larry: I will do this
  283. # [18:14] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/open
  284. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Open Actions - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  285. # [18:14] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/overdue
  286. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Overdue Actions - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  287. # [18:14] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/pendingreview
  288. # [18:14] <karl> Sam: Issue 66, for danc and me. Nothing much to talk about it on this call
  289. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Pending review Actions - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  290. # [18:15] <karl> ... issue63 for March
  291. # [18:15] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  292. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  293. # [18:15] <karl> Sam: Could we put action-29 to me?
  294. # [18:15] <masinter> I agree
  295. # [18:16] <karl> Lachy: mecanthear
  296. # [18:16] * karl can't hear too noisy
  297. # [18:16] <karl> ACTION-77?
  298. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-77
  299. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Michael(tm) Smith to lead HTML WG to response to TAG discussion and report back to TAG -- due 2009-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  300. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/77
  301. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-77 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  302. # [18:16] <oedipus> sam, i updated action 29 so it has your name
  303. # [18:16] <karl> sam: nothing much on action-77
  304. # [18:16] <karl> ACTION-96?
  305. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-96
  306. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-03-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  307. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/96
  308. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  309. # [18:17] <Lachy> I said: if the spec gets the MIT licence, or equivalent, then I can put the authoring guide under that too
  310. # [18:17] <oedipus> q+ to ask new due date for action 29
  311. # [18:17] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  312. # [18:17] <karl> Larry: If we watch the discussion on http mailing list
  313. # [18:17] <Zakim> -Masinter
  314. # [18:17] <karl> ... it seems there is a different direction being taken
  315. # [18:17] <Julian> q+
  316. # [18:17] * Zakim sees oedipus, Julian on the speaker queue
  317. # [18:17] <masinter> the discussion on http-wg is open
  318. # [18:17] <Julian> q-
  319. # [18:17] * Zakim sees oedipus on the speaker queue
  320. # [18:17] <karl> ... but still open
  321. # [18:18] <Zakim> +Masinter
  322. # [18:18] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72
  323. # [18:18] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009JanMar/0036.html
  324. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  325. # [18:18] <karl> ACTION-72?
  326. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-72
  327. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Dan Connolly to propose to close this issue based on recent HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-04 -- OPEN
  328. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72
  329. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: The HTTP Origin Header (draft-abarth-origin) from Larry Masinter on 2009-01-22 (ietf-http-wg@w3.org from January to March 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  330. # [18:18] <masinter> sorry discussion looks like it might lead to changing Referer rather than adding "Origin"
  331. # [18:18] <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/99
  332. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-99 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  333. # [18:18] <karl> ACTION-99?
  334. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-99
  335. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Larry Masinter to review @profile due 2 weeks -- due 2009-01-29 -- OPEN
  336. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/99
  337. # [18:18] <DanC_lap> action-72 due next week
  338. # [18:18] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-72.
  339. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-72 propose to close this issue based on recent HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 due date now next week
  340. # [18:19] <DanC_lap> sorry I didn't get it done this week
  341. # [18:19] <karl> Larry: I have reviewed it, so it should be closed
  342. # [18:19] <karl> ... the discussion is going on the mailing list
  343. # [18:19] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0106.html
  344. # [18:19] <Lachy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0106.html
  345. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: headprofile: another dropped attribute from Larry Masinter on 2009-02-05 (public-html@w3.org from February 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  346. # [18:19] <karl> Sam: Let's close the action-99
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  349. # [18:21] * karl which action?
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  351. # [18:21] <oedipus> GJR: action 99 closed with reference to email and minutes
  352. # [18:21] <karl> Sam: change the action 99 owner: lachy
  353. # [18:21] <masinter> I still think the section should be removed pending a replacement
  354. # [18:21] <karl> ... due date march
  355. # [18:22] <karl> ... Action 98? anything to report
  356. # [18:22] <karl> MattMay: We met yesterday
  357. # [18:22] <karl> ... Our next meeting is in one week from now
  358. # [18:22] <karl> ... next thursday
  359. # [18:22] <karl> ... After HTML WG call
  360. # [18:22] <oedipus> sam, is this the action to reassign to lachy? http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/100
  361. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-100 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  362. # [18:23] <Lachy> oedipus, no
  363. # [18:23] <karl> sam: let's push the due date to the 19
  364. # [18:23] <oedipus> which?
  365. # [18:23] <Lachy> oedipus, ACTION-78
  366. # [18:23] <oedipus> thanks
  367. # [18:23] <oedipus> done
  368. # [18:23] <karl> ... there is no other items overdue in the page
  369. # [18:23] <karl> ... anyone want to discuss something
  370. # [18:24] <karl> Larry: interested by issue66
  371. # [18:24] <Lachy> oedipus, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/78 is still assigned to Larry
  372. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  373. # [18:24] * karl don't see issue 66
  374. # [18:24] <masinter> merge issue 66 with missing-alt
  375. # [18:24] <karl> ISSUE-66?
  376. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  377. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- RAISED
  378. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  379. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  380. # [18:24] <karl> ISSUE-31?
  381. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-31
  382. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- RAISED
  383. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
  384. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  385. # [18:24] <oedipus> lachy, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/78 updated
  386. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  387. # [18:25] <karl> Larry: let's close issue66 and makeit a duplicate of issue 31
  388. # [18:25] <karl> sam: no objections?
  389. # [18:25] <karl> ... let's proceed
  390. # [18:25] <oedipus> lachy, you were given 2 extra weeks for action 78?
  391. # [18:25] <karl> ... Anything to discuss?
  392. # [18:25] * oedipus karl, that's MCooper
  393. # [18:25] <Lachy> oedipus, yeah, the due date was meant to be changed to March
  394. # [18:25] <oedipus> ok
  395. # [18:26] <karl> MichaelC: boooo
  396. # [18:26] <karl> :)
  397. # [18:26] <karl> ... The task force is to work on specific mapping between ARIA and accessibility APIS
  398. # [18:26] <oedipus> lachy, changed date to march
  399. # [18:26] * karl feel free to correct
  400. # [18:27] <masinter> is there an "issue" to agree to participate in the task force?
  401. # [18:27] <oedipus> s/APIS/APIs
  402. # [18:27] <karl> ... We will produce deliverable for PF and HTML WG
  403. # [18:27] * MichaelC I apologize for missing beginning of meeting, WAI Domain meeting ran long
  404. # [18:28] <karl> larry: It would be good if we could participate in this workshop
  405. # [18:28] <karl> ... we = html wg
  406. # [18:28] <masinter> good if we would explicitly agree to partcipate
  407. # [18:28] <karl> sam: some individuals
  408. # [18:28] <karl> ... some volunteers
  409. # [18:28] <karl> MichaelC: Yes that would be good. But that would not be a huge amount of time
  410. # [18:29] <oedipus> http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5
  411. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: PF/XTech/HTML5 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  412. # [18:29] <hsivonen> q+
  413. # [18:29] * Zakim sees oedipus, hsivonen on the speaker queue
  414. # [18:29] <oedipus> q-
  415. # [18:29] * Zakim sees hsivonen on the speaker queue
  416. # [18:29] <karl> ... we would need at least one core wg member to participate
  417. # [18:30] * Quits: DanC_lap (connolly@128.30.52.30) (Quit: DanC_lap)
  418. # [18:30] <karl> ... it would be a series of teleconferences for a few months
  419. # [18:31] <oedipus> hsivonen, are you available to help?
  420. # [18:31] <Lachy> what's this task force for?
  421. # [18:31] <hsivonen> oedipus, not 4 hours per week as required
  422. # [18:31] <oedipus> hsivonen, understand
  423. # [18:31] <karl> q?
  424. # [18:31] * Zakim sees hsivonen on the speaker queue
  425. # [18:31] <Lachy> is this about the ARIA task force?
  426. # [18:31] <oedipus> lachy, yes
  427. # [18:32] <oedipus> KD: trying to create an issue or action?
  428. # [18:32] <oedipus> SR: issue and action associated with it
  429. # [18:32] <karl> ISSUE: Will this HTML WG participate to the ARIA Task Force
  430. # [18:32] * trackbot noticed an ISSUE. Trying to create it.
  431. # [18:32] <trackbot> Created ISSUE-68 - Will this HTML WG participate to the ARIA Task Force ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/68/edit .
  432. # [18:33] <karl> ACTION: MichaelC to send an email to HTML WG for recruiting people for the ARIA Task Force
  433. # [18:33] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  434. # [18:33] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - MichaelC
  435. # [18:33] * RRSAgent records action 3
  436. # [18:33] <karl> ACTION: cooper to send an email to HTML WG for recruiting people for the ARIA Task Force
  437. # [18:33] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  438. # [18:33] * RRSAgent records action 4
  439. # [18:33] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - cooper
  440. # [18:33] <hsivonen> I'm in q
  441. # [18:33] * MichaelC thought I was known to this instance of Tracker; anyway, I won't forget this action ;)
  442. # [18:34] * karl hsivonen is not audible
  443. # [18:34] * karl hsivonen could you type on irc?
  444. # [18:34] * oedipus this is an action on Michael Cooper, staff contact for PFWG; action is to send invitation to public-html
  445. # [18:35] <karl> MichaelC: there is a desire from some implementers to do that under the patent policy.
  446. # [18:35] * karl really can't hear hsivonen. Cloudy sound
  447. # [18:36] <karl> MichaelC: the task force will be opened to any participants of w3c wgs
  448. # [18:36] <karl> ... It will be easier for people to join html to be able to participate this wg
  449. # [18:36] * karl thinks of Aaron Leventhal
  450. # [18:36] * oedipus definitely
  451. # [18:37] <karl> hsivonen: listofnames
  452. # [18:37] <karl> sam: could you send the list of names to the mailing list?
  453. # [18:38] * oedipus do you want me to include them in the action?
  454. # [18:38] <karl> sam: any topics? moving to adjourned?
  455. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Lachy
  456. # [18:38] <karl> ADJOURNED
  457. # [18:38] <Zakim> - +1.519.538.aacc
  458. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Masinter
  459. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Matt_May
  460. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Sam
  461. # [18:38] <Zakim> -karl
  462. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cooper
  463. # [18:38] <Zakim> -anne
  464. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Julian
  465. # [18:38] * karl had bad sound today
  466. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
  467. # [18:38] * Quits: masinter (user@76.102.104.162) (Connection reset by peer)
  468. # [18:39] <Zakim> -hsivonen
  469. # [18:39] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  470. # [18:39] <karl> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  471. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-minutes.html karl
  472. # [18:39] <Zakim> Attendees were Masinter, Julian, karl, Sam, hsivonen, anne, Matt_May, Lachy, +1.519.538.aacc, Cooper.a, Cooper, Gregory_Rosmaita
  473. # [18:39] <karl> RRSAgent, make logs public
  474. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, karl
  475. # [18:39] <hsivonen> I pointed out that people with relevant expertise might not be in the HTML WG right now. if they aren't in PF, either, it would make sense to see that they are aware of the TF anyway
  476. # [18:39] <hsivonen> and indeed, the people I had in mind probably are already in thePF
  477. # [18:40] <karl> RRSAgent, stop log
  478. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', karl. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  479. # [18:40] <karl> RRSAgent, bye
  480. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-actions.rdf :
  481. # [18:40] <oedipus> sam, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/68 is assigned to you temporarily because cooper isn't in the list of HTML traker users
  482. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to incorporate the text proposed by Larry [1]
  483. # [18:40] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-68 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  484. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-irc#T17-07-05-1
  485. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> ACTION: GJR inquire about table summary and headers status at PFWG caucus - 2009-12-02 [2]
  486. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-irc#T17-10-10
  487. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> ACTION: MichaelC to send an email to HTML WG for recruiting people for the ARIA Task Force [3]
  488. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-irc#T17-31-02
  489. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> ACTION: cooper to send an email to HTML WG for recruiting people for the ARIA Task Force [4]
  490. # [18:40] <rubys1> oedipus: ok
  491. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/05-html-wg-irc#T17-31-10
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  493. # [18:40] <oedipus> sam, i can put it on me, since i am in PF
  494. # [18:40] <rubys1> even better
  495. # [18:41] <oedipus> ok
  496. # [18:41] <oedipus> sam, done - assigned to me but note makes clear action on cooper
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  537. # [23:22] <Hixie> can someone who was on the call today let me know what text i am supposed to be adding?
  538. # [23:22] <Hixie> (regarding "ACTION: Ian to incorporate the text proposed by Larry")
  539. # [23:46] <smedero> sadly I wasn't able to phone in today... and I'm having trouble connecting the dots from the transcript.
  540. # [23:46] <smedero> :-/
  541. # [23:47] <smedero> it would seem to be in reference to ISSUE-54 but I don't see where Larry proposed any spec text in the various email threads..
  542. # [23:47] <smedero> sometimes people use ISSUE- and ACTION- interchangeably... but ACTION-54 is also a dead end
  543. # [23:48] <Lachy> I was on the call, but I don't remember what it was about. It was one of those topics I wasn't really paying attention to
  544. # [23:51] <smedero> the only suggested spec text that I remember from Larry was this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0207.html
  545. # [23:51] <pimpbot> Title: RE: ACTION-78: Suggestion text for 1.5.4 from Larry Masinter on 2009-01-18 (public-html@w3.org from January 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  546. # [23:52] * smedero wonders if karl is around
  547. # [23:54] <smedero> the next issue on the agenda would've been ISSUE-32...
  548. # [23:55] <smedero> and there was some disclaimer text Larry was looking on that: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0088.html
  549. # [23:55] <pimpbot> Title: RE: table-summary argument from Larry Masinter on 2009-02-03 (public-html@w3.org from February 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  550. # [23:55] <smedero> table@summary: "A survey of existing web content showed that this
  551. # [23:55] <smedero> attribute was rarely used, and, when it was, it was frequently
  552. # [23:55] <smedero> misused, leading to the conclusion that it should be removed from
  553. # [23:55] <smedero> HTML 5. On the other hand, the attribute has been in HTML for
  554. # [23:55] <smedero> since HTML 4, there are some sites that use it correctly, and
  555. # [23:55] <smedero> the WAI community has recommended its continued inclusion
  556. # [23:55] <smedero> as a best practice in the hopes of increasing correct
  557. # [23:55] <smedero> deployment. This issue is not yet decided."
  558. # [23:55] <smedero> doh
  559. # [23:55] <smedero> sorry
  560. # [23:55] <smedero> I suppose that might be the text in question though...
  561. # [23:57] * smedero throws his hands up
  562. # Session Close: Fri Feb 06 00:00:00 2009

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