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  34. # [08:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6607] wrapping text to limit line length without a table" ( message in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Feb/0049.html>
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  81. # [17:57] <ChrisWilson> zakim, this will be html
  82. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, ChrisWilson; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
  83. # [17:59] * gsnedders prepares to hide in five minutes
  84. # [17:59] * ChrisWilson thinks gsnedders is being chicken
  85. # [17:59] * gsnedders frequently thinks that
  86. # [17:59] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  87. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Julian
  88. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> "...a customized compunetix conferencing system..."
  89. # [18:00] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  90. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> zakim, microsoft is me
  91. # [18:00] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  92. # [18:01] * gsnedders wonders what that is a quote of
  93. # [18:01] <Julian> gsnedders, call in and find out
  94. # [18:01] <gsnedders> Julian: That means bothering to spend the money to call in
  95. # [18:01] <Julian> 0,3 cents per minute
  96. # [18:02] * gsnedders is a cheapskate :P
  97. # [18:02] * smedero is here but so is his two-year-old son (schools opened late)
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  99. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Sam
  100. # [18:02] * smedero did go through the tracker agenda items last night and appended updates where possible... rubys & DanC did the same thing too it looked like
  101. # [18:02] * gsnedders would (more seriously) be more likely to phone in if he had a headset and didn't have to hold on to a phone the entire time
  102. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Matt
  103. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Masinter
  104. # [18:04] * DanC advises getting cheap ~$20 headsets, keeping a spare, and throwing them away when they brake. the more expensive ones break just as often
  105. # [18:04] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  106. # [18:04] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  107. # [18:04] <Zakim> +DanC
  108. # [18:04] * DanC Zakim, agenda?
  109. # [18:04] * Zakim sees nothing on the agenda
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  111. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> agenda + open/pending issues
  112. # [18:05] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
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  114. # [18:05] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-irc
  115. # [18:05] <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JanMar/0036.html
  116. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-02-26 from Chris Wilson on 2009-02-25 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  117. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ any additional items?
  118. # [18:05] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  119. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is on the phone?
  120. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, ChrisWilson, Sam, Matt, Masinter, DanC
  121. # [18:05] * DanC Zakim, pick a scribe
  122. # [18:05] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
  123. # [18:05] <DanC> :-/
  124. # [18:05] <DanC> scribe: DanC
  125. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> any additional items to add?
  126. # [18:06] <masinter> IETF coordination?
  127. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 2
  128. # [18:06] <Zakim> agendum 2, any additional items?, closed
  129. # [18:06] <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
  130. # [18:06] <Zakim> 1. open/pending issues [from ChrisWilson]
  131. # [18:06] <DanC> (we covered IETF coord last week; is there more, larry?)
  132. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> action-72?
  133. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-72
  134. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Dan Connolly to monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN
  135. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72
  136. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  137. # [18:07] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-20 (table-headers)
  138. # [18:07] <masinter> (just update, the date/venue seems to be established)
  139. # [18:08] <DanC> action-72?
  140. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-72
  141. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Dan Connolly to monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN
  142. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72
  143. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  144. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.519.538.aaaa
  145. # [18:08] <rubys> agenda+ IETF Coordination
  146. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  147. # [18:08] <DanC> DanC: no news in public-html; PF WG co-chair says they're studying for another week
  148. # [18:08] <DanC> ... I tried by phone to figure out details but didn't manage
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  150. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  151. # [18:09] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  152. # [18:09] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  153. # [18:10] <dsinger> ...is apologizing that he's late
  154. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.484.802.aabb
  155. # [18:10] <smedero> +1.484.802.aabb is me
  156. # [18:10] <smedero> Zakim, +1.484.802.aabb is me
  157. # [18:10] <Zakim> +smedero; got it
  158. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  159. # [18:11] <DanC> action-72?
  160. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-72
  161. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Sam Ruby to monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN
  162. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72
  163. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  164. # [18:11] <DanC> action-72 due next week
  165. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-72.
  166. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-72 monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 due date now next week
  167. # [18:12] <ChrisWilson> action-107?
  168. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-107
  169. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-107 -- Cynthia Shelly to recruit ARIA joint-TF members -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN
  170. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/107
  171. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  173. # [18:12] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-35 (aria-processing)
  174. # [18:12] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is on the phone?
  175. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, ChrisWilson, Sam, Matt, Masinter, DanC, +1.519.538.aaaa, [Apple], smedero, [IPcaller]
  176. # [18:12] <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
  177. # [18:12] <DanC> Cynthia: I got responses from a few people
  178. # [18:12] <DanC> q+
  179. # [18:12] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  180. # [18:12] <ChrisWilson> zakim, IPCaller is cshelly
  181. # [18:12] <Zakim> +cshelly; got it
  182. # [18:13] <DanC> ack danc
  183. # [18:13] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  184. # [18:13] <DanC> Cynthia: Andy/IBM, Alexander... gregory, hsivonen... [missing some]
  185. # [18:13] <ChrisWilson> Regrets from Joshue, BTW.
  186. # [18:13] * Julian wonders who's +1.519.538.aaaa
  187. # [18:13] <DanC> Sam: some of those, e.g. hsivonen, declined, right?
  188. # [18:14] <DanC> regrets+ Joshue
  189. # [18:14] <DanC> Cynthia: I'm interested in help from Apple safari accessibility folks
  190. # [18:14] <DanC> Dave: I'm willing to help find somebody in apple; that's not my experties
  191. # [18:14] <DanC> Cynthia: Opera?
  192. # [18:14] * smedero notes that anne is in tokyo
  193. # [18:14] <DanC> anne? chaals? are you on IRC?
  194. # [18:15] <ChrisWilson> (that is - Cynthia is looking for an Opera person to contribute to this effort)
  195. # [18:16] <DanC> DanC: I'm particularly interested in test materials related to claims of ARIA support
  196. # [18:16] <DanC> CW: browsers support ARIA thru different mechanisms, which might complicate testing
  197. # [18:16] <DanC> DanC: yes, I appreciate the challenge
  198. # [18:16] * smedero wonders if +1.519.538.aaaa might be Murray?
  199. # [18:17] <DanC> close action-107
  200. # [18:17] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-107.
  201. # [18:17] <trackbot> ACTION-107 recruit ARIA joint-TF members closed
  202. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is on the phone?
  203. # [18:17] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, ChrisWilson, Sam, Matt, Masinter, DanC, +1.519.538.aaaa, [Apple], smedero, cshelly
  204. # [18:17] <DanC> ACTION: cynthia report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009
  205. # [18:17] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  206. # [18:17] * RRSAgent records action 1
  207. # [18:17] <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2009-03-05].
  208. # [18:17] <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
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  210. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> zakim, aaaa is Murray
  211. # [18:17] <Zakim> +Murray; got it
  212. # [18:17] <DanC> action-114 due 26 Mar
  213. # [18:17] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-114.
  214. # [18:17] <trackbot> ACTION-114 Report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009 due date now 26 Mar
  215. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> action-110?
  216. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-110
  217. # [18:17] <trackbot> ACTION-110 -- Michael(tm) Smith to add note to H:TML draft about what's currently missing and planned to be added -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN
  218. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/110
  219. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  220. # [18:17] <DanC> Topic: ISSUE-59 (normative-language-reference)
  221. # [18:18] <DanC> Sam: my ACTION-109 depends on ACTION-110 and Mike's work in general
  222. # [18:18] <ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/110
  223. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  224. # [18:19] <DanC> smedero++
  225. # [18:19] <DanC> DanC: that looks good enough for me
  226. # [18:19] <DanC> CW: it's missing [oops; help?]
  227. # [18:19] <DanC> SR: it's missing the normative status controversy
  228. # [18:20] <ChrisWilson> it's missing what's currently missing and what's planned to be added
  229. # [18:20] <DanC> so he did make progress. good. I just didn't see his edits of Editor’s Draft 25 February 2009
  230. # [18:20] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ talk about TPAC
  231. # [18:20] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
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  233. # [18:21] <DanC> agenda + ISSUE-32 (table-summary)
  234. # [18:21] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  235. # [18:21] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ talk about summary (DanC)
  236. # [18:21] * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
  237. # [18:21] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 6
  238. # [18:21] <Zakim> agendum 6, talk about summary (DanC), closed
  239. # [18:21] <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  240. # [18:21] <Zakim> 1. open/pending issues [from ChrisWilson]
  241. # [18:22] <ChrisWilson> issue-20?
  242. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-20
  243. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5 spec -- RAISED
  244. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/20
  245. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-20 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  246. # [18:22] <ChrisWilson> issue-52?
  247. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-52
  248. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Respond to XHTML2 WG objections to language in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 -- RAISED
  249. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/52
  250. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-52 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  251. # [18:22] <DanC> CW: let's leave the XHTML2 thing on Mike until Mike's here to discuss it
  252. # [18:23] * DanC thought Sam had that action
  253. # [18:23] <DanC> action-105?
  254. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-105
  255. # [18:23] <trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Sam Ruby to should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. -- due 2009-03-26 -- OPEN
  256. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/105
  257. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  258. # [18:24] <ChrisWilson> issue-52?
  259. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-52
  260. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Respond to XHTML2 WG objections to language in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 -- RAISED
  261. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/52
  262. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-52 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  263. # [18:24] <ChrisWilson> issue-54?
  264. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-54
  265. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-54 -- tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html> -- RAISED
  266. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/54
  267. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-54 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  268. # [18:24] <DanC> lachy, any news on about: registration?
  269. # [18:24] <ChrisWilson> action-103?
  270. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-103
  271. # [18:24] <trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Lachlan Hunt to track registration of about: URI scheme -- due 2009-03-05 -- OPEN
  272. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103
  273. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  274. # [18:25] * s is now known as LHSilli
  275. # [18:26] <masinter> issue should be 'register' rather than 'track registration'
  276. # [18:26] <masinter> er, Action-103 should be 'register' rather than 'track registration'
  277. # [18:27] * smedero masinter: agreed and updated.
  278. # [18:27] <DanC> no, smedero , you can't change the action without the consent of the issue owner
  279. # [18:27] <DanC> action, rather
  280. # [18:27] <DanC> if somebody want to take the 'register' action, very well.
  281. # [18:28] <DanC> (this is a clear case of PENDING REVIEW, to me...)
  282. # [18:28] * smedero DanC: good point, thanks for that.
  283. # [18:28] <DanC> "PENDINGREVIEW = An Editor has reviewed arguments and edited spec to taste, or the WG chairs have evaluated the level of consensus and identified one or more proposals that would resolve the issue. In the case where multiple proposals are identified, the Editors may make the determination as to which one to incorporate." -- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
  284. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: HTML - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  285. # [18:29] <DanC> [some discussion of how to track this about: stuff...]
  286. # [18:29] <DanC> CW: I added a note...
  287. # [18:29] <ChrisWilson> 2009-02-26 17:26:28: The consensus is likely conditional on the registration being performed. Next action is to get registration; if that doesn't happen we will re-evaluate design. [Chris Wilson]
  288. # [18:30] <ChrisWilson> agenda?
  289. # [18:30] * Zakim sees 4 items remaining on the agenda:
  290. # [18:30] * Zakim 1. open/pending issues [from ChrisWilson]
  291. # [18:30] * Zakim 3. IETF Coordination [from rubys]
  292. # [18:30] * Zakim 4. talk about TPAC [from ChrisWilson]
  293. # [18:30] * Zakim 5. ISSUE-32 (table-summary) [from DanC]
  294. # [18:30] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 1
  295. # [18:30] <Zakim> agendum 1, open/pending issues, closed
  296. # [18:30] <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  297. # [18:30] <Zakim> 3. IETF Coordination [from rubys]
  298. # [18:30] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 3
  299. # [18:30] <Zakim> agendum 3. "IETF Coordination" taken up [from rubys]
  300. # [18:30] <rubys> http://esw.w3.org/topic/IETF_HTML5_Meeting_March_2009
  301. # [18:30] <Julian> I just checked, and no email has been sent to uri-review w.r.t. "about"
  302. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: IETF HTML5 Meeting March 2009 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  303. # [18:30] <DanC> thanks, julian
  304. # [18:31] <DanC> LMM: room is booked; let us know if you're coming so we can deal with room size
  305. # [18:32] <Lachy> DanC, no news yet
  306. # [18:32] <DanC> are you waiting for something, Lachy? just a round-tuit?
  307. # [18:32] <Lachy> I will look into it early next week. It's just a matter of time.
  308. # [18:32] <DanC> thanks, Lachy
  309. # [18:34] <DanC> LMM: agenda requests are welcome even for those who don't plan to attend
  310. # [18:34] <DanC> DanC: my participation is still at risk
  311. # [18:34] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 3
  312. # [18:34] <Zakim> agendum 3, IETF Coordination, closed
  313. # [18:35] <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  314. # [18:35] <Zakim> 4. talk about TPAC [from ChrisWilson]
  315. # [18:35] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 4
  316. # [18:35] <Zakim> agendum 4. "talk about TPAC" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  317. # [18:35] * Joins: yaharon (d0309a43@128.30.52.43)
  318. # [18:35] <DanC> CW: TPAC is currently scheduled for 1st week of Nov; W3C mgmt is asking for explicit confirmation
  319. # [18:35] * Quits: maddiin (mc@87.185.210.48) (Quit: maddiin)
  320. # [18:36] <DanC> close action-113
  321. # [18:36] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-113.
  322. # [18:36] <trackbot> ACTION-113 Get Sam and Chris to look at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/TPAC2009/ closed
  323. # [18:36] <rubys> Grrrr: http://www.us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/
  324. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ApacheCon US 2009 (at www.us.apachecon.com)
  325. # [18:36] * DanC starts a draft to relay rubys's concern
  326. # [18:37] <DanC> CW: somebody asked where? Santa Clara.
  327. # [18:38] <DanC> CW: so I ought to ask the WG who's like to attend
  328. # [18:39] <DanC> MM: what's the threshold?
  329. # [18:39] <DanC> CW: well, I hadn't thought about it; given the location, I'm reasonably confident we'll have critical mass
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  331. # [18:41] <dsinger> there is probably a magic agenda too (matters that will need a face to face to make progress)
  332. # [18:42] * tlr-off is now known as tlr
  333. # [18:43] <DanC> CW: whether to have a meeting depends on agenda too, yes
  334. # [18:43] <dsinger> we are surely meeting. does anyone seriously think we don't need one, or that no-one will be there?
  335. # [18:43] <DanC> MM: I can imagine a noisy thread on whether to have a meeting
  336. # [18:43] * gsnedders will be there provided he can get funding to go and somewhere to stay
  337. # [18:43] <DanC> (I think n^2 email is awkward too; WBS is the right tool here.)
  338. # [18:44] <ChrisWilson> Dan, can you set up a WBS poll? Ending next Wednesday, perhaps, so we can confirm by next telecon
  339. # [18:44] <rubys> nah, just set up a wiki page
  340. # [18:44] * DanC almost hit enter on an action
  341. # [18:44] <gsnedders> dsinger: I don't think there's anyway we won't reach critical mass
  342. # [18:44] * smedero gsnedders: you won't have trouble finding a couch to crash on.
  343. # [18:44] <rubys> If Ian, Chris, and I are in a room in the bay area, I expect others will pile one
  344. # [18:45] <dsinger> I agree
  345. # [18:45] <DanC> rubys, I prefer WBS, but a wiki is OK by me too
  346. # [18:45] <dsinger> we should say "we're meeting; please get agenda topics and attendance info to the chairs"
  347. # [18:45] * gsnedders smedero: The funding is the more interesting part.
  348. # [18:45] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 4
  349. # [18:45] <Zakim> agendum 4, talk about TPAC, closed
  350. # [18:45] <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
  351. # [18:45] <Zakim> 5. ISSUE-32 (table-summary) [from DanC]
  352. # [18:46] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 5
  353. # [18:46] <Zakim> agendum 5. "ISSUE-32 (table-summary)" taken up [from DanC]
  354. # [18:46] <DanC> ACTION: Dan set up WBS for HTML WG participants to @@ reTPAC 2009
  355. # [18:46] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  356. # [18:46] * RRSAgent records action 2
  357. # [18:46] <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Set up WBS for HTML WG participants to @@ reTPAC 2009 [on Dan Connolly - due 2009-03-05].
  358. # [18:47] <DanC> "Problem statement: some users find navigating tables complicated, and
  359. # [18:47] <DanC> would like a description of the table so that they can make better use of
  360. # [18:47] <DanC> the table. Such users might be blind, using an accessibility tool, or
  361. # [18:47] <DanC> might have cognitive difficulties, or might just be unfamiliar with the
  362. # [18:47] <DanC> structure of particularly complicated tables."
  363. # [18:47] <rubys> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/msg/7ff3a663037afc89
  364. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: An alternate take on HTML5 - mozilla.dev.platform | Google Groups (at groups.google.com)
  365. # [18:48] <DanC> DanC: I see 2 messages taking issue with that problem statement... I wonder if it's useful to focus there
  366. # [18:49] <DanC> MM: the HTML WG seems to think it is responsible for figuring out accessibility, but there are other W3C WGs charged with that...
  367. # [18:49] <DanC> q+
  368. # [18:49] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  369. # [18:49] <ChrisWilson> ack DanC
  370. # [18:49] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  371. # [18:49] <rubys> q+
  372. # [18:49] * Zakim sees rubys on the speaker queue
  373. # [18:50] <dsinger> the pfwg won't tell us what syntax elements and so on to use; the syntax of HTML is ours
  374. # [18:50] <cshelly> q+
  375. # [18:50] * Zakim sees rubys, cshelly on the speaker queue
  376. # [18:50] <dsinger> we shouldn't tell the pfwg how to manage accessibility, either
  377. # [18:50] <dsinger> we have to talk to each other
  378. # [18:50] <dsinger> I agree
  379. # [18:50] * Quits: karl (karlcow@70.81.32.202) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  380. # [18:51] <DanC> DanC: [hard to scribe and talk...]
  381. # [18:51] <ChrisWilson> ack rubys
  382. # [18:51] * Zakim sees cshelly on the speaker queue
  383. # [18:52] <DanC> MM: W3C already agreed on this (@summary) once; it seems we're recinding that agreement... seems like the burden should be on us to explain why
  384. # [18:53] <ChrisWilson> ack cshelly
  385. # [18:53] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  386. # [18:53] <DanC> SR: this call next week... MM, are you planning to be there?
  387. # [18:53] <DanC> MM: I didn't have plans to, but I'm willing to
  388. # [18:55] <DanC> action-111?
  389. # [18:55] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-111
  390. # [18:55] <trackbot> ACTION-111 -- Sam Ruby to work on process issues re: summary -- due 2009-03-30 -- OPEN
  391. # [18:55] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/111
  392. # [18:55] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-111 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  393. # [18:55] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 5
  394. # [18:55] <Zakim> agendum 5, ISSUE-32 (table-summary), closed
  395. # [18:55] <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
  396. # [18:55] <ChrisWilson> zakim, agenda?
  397. # [18:55] <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
  398. # [18:55] <DanC> Sam: I expect to have progress next week and complete by 30 Mar
  399. # [18:55] <DanC> Topic: Next meeting
  400. # [18:55] <DanC> DanC: I'm at risk next week [TAG ftf]
  401. # [18:55] <masinter> next week W3C TAG conflicts for me
  402. # [18:55] <DanC> CW: I'm at-risk too
  403. # [18:56] <dsinger> I am at risk next week also
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  405. # [18:56] <ChrisWilson> move adjourn?
  406. # [18:56] <DanC> Sam: I'll either chair or cancel.
  407. # [18:56] <ChrisWilson> adjourned
  408. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Murray
  409. # [18:56] <dsinger> thx
  410. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Masinter
  411. # [18:56] * Quits: adele (adele@24.7.123.50) (Quit: adele)
  412. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Julian
  413. # [18:56] <dsinger> maybe not
  414. # [18:56] <Zakim> -smedero
  415. # [18:56] <Zakim> -cshelly
  416. # [18:56] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  417. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Sam
  418. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Matt
  419. # [18:56] <Zakim> -DanC
  420. # [18:56] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  421. # [18:56] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  422. # [18:56] <Zakim> Attendees were Julian, ChrisWilson, Sam, Matt, Masinter, DanC, +1.519.538.aaaa, dsinger, smedero, cshelly, Murray
  423. # [18:56] * Quits: dsinger (dsinger@17.202.35.52) (Quit: dsinger)
  424. # [18:57] * DanC didn't realize smedero was connected by voice too; would have liked to say hi
  425. # [18:57] * smedero waves
  426. # [18:57] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  427. # [18:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  428. # [18:57] * Quits: Julian (chatzilla@217.91.35.233) (Connection reset by peer)
  429. # [18:57] <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs public
  430. # [18:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, DanC
  431. # [18:57] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  432. # [18:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  433. # [18:57] <pimpbot> Title: SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  434. # [18:58] * smedero was on mute as my two-year-old was still running around the house in the early part of the call.
  435. # [18:58] <DanC> Meeting: HTML WG Weekly teleconference
  436. # [18:58] <DanC> Chair: Chris Wilson
  437. # [18:58] * smedero "snowed" in seattle... so everything is running behind schedule
  438. # [18:58] * DanC saw that via twitter, yeah.
  439. # [18:58] * Quits: LHSilli (chatzilla@84.208.110.159) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a2/20081202134748])
  440. # [18:58] * tlr is now known as tlr-off
  441. # [18:58] * gsnedders avoids this issue by not living in Seattle
  442. # [18:59] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  443. # [18:59] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  444. # [18:59] <pimpbot> Title: SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  445. # [18:59] * smedero is scanning minutes looking for corrections... not seeing much.
  446. # [18:59] * DanC likewise
  447. # [18:59] * Quits: cshelly (6171393e@128.30.52.43) (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout))
  448. # [18:59] * DanC thinks there's a way to get rid of "DRAFT" and the diagnostic foo..
  449. # [19:00] * gsnedders who was +1.519.538.aaaa
  450. # [19:00] * rubys sulks. Chris didn't get a NEW_NAME this week.
  451. # [19:00] * DanC ;-)
  452. # [19:00] * smedero gsnedders: That was Murray... and I thought ChrisWilson linked that up...
  453. # [19:00] <DanC> ScribeOptions: -final
  454. # [19:00] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  455. # [19:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  456. # [19:00] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Weekly teleconference -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  457. # [19:01] * smedero ahh, I think he just did "aaaa is..."
  458. # [19:01] <DanC> that's a known Zakim bug; it's not smart enough to prune aaaa out of the list
  459. # [19:02] <DanC> patches welcome...
  460. # [19:02] * gsnedders notes patches are equally welcome for his computing project :P
  461. # [19:03] * smedero notes that job offers are equally welcome... oh wait, there's no magic ponies in this channel
  462. # [19:03] <DanC> http://dev.w3.org/2001/sw/zakim/
  463. # [19:03] <pimpbot> Title: Index of /2001/sw/zakim (at dev.w3.org)
  464. # [19:05] * Quits: masinter (user@76.102.104.162) (Client exited)
  465. # [19:07] <smedero> s/<smedero> +1.484.802.aabb is me//
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  467. # [19:07] * smedero seems useless to leave that error in there.
  468. # [19:08] <smedero> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  469. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html smedero
  470. # [19:08] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Weekly teleconference -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  471. # [19:08] * smedero otherwise, i'm good w/ the minutes
  472. # [19:09] <annevk> did mike pass our regrets?
  473. # [19:09] <annevk> it's 3am here and we went out
  474. # [19:10] <ChrisWilson> I believe Mike had sent his regrets, yes.
  475. # [19:10] <ChrisWilson> But really, Anne, where are your priorities?
  476. # [19:10] <ChrisWilson> Oh, wait, nevermind. :)
  477. # [19:11] <gsnedders> ChrisWilson: In Tokyo, I am led to believe.
  478. # [19:11] <gsnedders> :)
  479. # [19:11] * gsnedders doesn't know many people whose priorities are a separate entity to themselves
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  483. # [19:27] * shepazu apologizes for missing call... I've got a bad case of jetlag
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  486. # [19:37] <annevk> as for the ARIA gig, I thought I already declined
  487. # [19:37] <annevk> I'm not sure who else from Opera has time to participate
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  504. # [23:23] * Topic is 'HTML WG Weekly teleconference http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JanMar/0030.html (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ )'
  505. # [23:23] * Set by rubys1 on Thu Feb 19 17:30:42
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  507. # [23:45] <karl> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SGML/sgml-lex/sgml-lex
  508. # [23:45] <pimpbot> Title: A Lexical Analyzer for HTML and Basic SGML (at www.w3.org)
  509. # [23:46] <karl> I love info-archeology
  510. # [23:47] <karl> Very old W3C Note from DanC W3C NOTE 14-Apr-97
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