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  31. # [09:25] <MikeSmith> Hixie: did you end up making any change in regard to "browsing context" explanation in the author view?
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  75. # [17:32] <masinter> ?
  76. # [17:33] <shepazu> masinter: I'm gathering there's no telcon this week
  77. # [17:34] <jgraham> No see public-html-announce
  78. # [17:34] <jgraham> "For unavoidable conflict reasons, we will NOT have a teleconference this week. We will resume next week, 3/26, with me chairing." -- Chris Wilson
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  82. # [17:43] <jmb> hm. it would appear I've not received any email from public-html since sunday
  83. # [17:43] <shepazu> jmb: we've been boycotting you
  84. # [17:44] <jmb> shepazu: fine by me :)
  85. # [17:45] <shepazu> or girlcotting, don't want to be sexist
  86. # [17:45] <shepazu> IE8 released this morning http://microsoft.com/ie
  87. # [17:46] <hsivonen> oh well. I should start researching an IE8 mode switching chart soon then
  88. # [17:48] <anne> jmb, you might want to check you are not kicked off the list; if you're a public invited expert that can happen
  89. # [17:50] <shepazu> yeah, true... there has definitely been traffic on public-html
  90. # [17:50] <jmb> so I see
  91. # [17:51] <jmb> well, the account db still has me associated with htmlwg
  92. # [17:53] <Philip> Hmm, I wonder how long IE8 will take to install
  93. # [17:54] * Philip supposes he should uninstall the RC first
  94. # [17:56] <Philip> Hmm, two minutes to find the uninstaller
  95. # [17:57] <Philip> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/03/19/internet-explorer-8-final-available-now.aspx - "Beginning of HTML5 support (XDR, local storage, navigation)" - what does XDR have to do with HTML5?
  96. # [17:57] <Dashiva> Can you install IE8 in parallel with IE7?
  97. # [17:57] <Dashiva> Philip: HTML5 is the new AJAX
  98. # [17:57] <Philip> I very much doubt it
  99. # [17:57] <Dashiva> If it's new and fancy, it's HTML5
  100. # [17:58] <Philip> particularly since all the betas and RCs were implemented as updates that replace IE7
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  104. # [18:08] <Philip> (Hmm, 12 minutes to uninstall and reboot...)
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  106. # [18:11] <Philip> The installer's "Learn more about updates online" link suffers from the text overdraw bug described in http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2006/06/14/630864.aspx , and also it links to a "Sorry, but we couldn't find the page that you requested" page
  107. # [18:12] <Philip> so I'm not sure whether I do actually want the "Install updates" bit enabled or not
  108. # [18:16] * Philip fondly remembers the last time he tried a new version of Opera, which involved downloading a file then taking five seconds to extract it and then running the executable
  109. # [18:21] <Philip> Hmm, 10 minutes to run the installer, before asking to reboot
  110. # [18:30] <Philip> Reboot finished
  111. # [18:31] <jmb> are you having fun yet?
  112. # [18:31] <Philip> Perhaps in a moment or two
  113. # [18:31] <Philip> Hooray, an IE8 window - now I'm having fun
  114. # [18:31] <Philip> That only took ~40 minutes
  115. # [18:32] <Philip> (and would have only taken ~20 minutes if I didn't have pre-release IE8 installed already)
  116. # [18:48] * Philip woners if the Compatibility View List is downloadable anywhere in readable format
  117. # [18:49] <Philip> s//d/
  118. # [18:49] <gsnedders> Readable!?
  119. # [18:50] <Philip> Yes?
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  122. # [18:54] <gsnedders> Philip: Demanding sod.
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  125. # [19:08] <Philip> http://philip.html5.org/data/ie8-compat-urls.txt
  126. # [19:09] <Philip> (3122 in total)
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  128. # [19:30] <Dashiva> I wonder if that list, too, will be banned in Australia :)
  129. # [19:31] <Philip> I hope they don't add html5.org to the list, it'll break all my tests :-(
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  132. # [19:33] <Lachy> Dashiva, if you send a complaint to ACMA about it, they probalby will
  133. # [19:35] <Philip> IE8 still takes about a quarter of a second to draw the background colour when hovering over links in the TOC in HTML5
  134. # [19:35] <Philip> At least it's better than the multiple seconds that betas took
  135. # [19:37] <Dashiva> Btw Lachy, just on the off chance you care, month names aren't capitalized in Norwegian
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  138. # [19:49] <Lachy> Dashiva, I know that now. I was informed of that weird quirk of the language in #whatwg
  139. # [19:50] <Dashiva> Yeah, we don't cache our month objects like you Inglish
  140. # [19:50] <Lachy> but I'm surprised it matters that much that people felt so inclined to correct me on it
  141. # [19:50] <Philip> Oh, right, there's a res://iecompat.dll/iecompatdata.xml
  142. # [19:51] <Dashiva> It matters because Mars is the planet :)
  143. # [19:51] <Lachy> but what about when a sentence begins with a month name?
  144. # [19:51] <Dashiva> We avoid that, it could lead to total societal collapse
  145. # [19:51] <Philip> WHAT IF YOU ARE SHOUTING AND MENTION A MONTH NAME?
  146. # [19:52] <Dashiva> That would be rude
  147. # [19:52] <Lachy> What if it appears in a title, using title case where the first letter of significant words are capitalised?
  148. # [19:53] <Dashiva> Total societal collapse, again
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  150. # [19:54] <Lachy> Dashiva, that reminds me of a video I saw yesterday from a Norwegian comedy about the Danish langauge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
  151. # [19:54] <Dashiva> Yes, that one's quite excellent
  152. # [20:03] <takkaria> if you're shouting, then capitalisation doesn't come into it, because it's a feature of written language and not one of spoken language
  153. # [20:03] <Philip> Shouting is not restricted to spoken language, as I demonstrated
  154. # [20:04] <takkaria> I didn't hear any shouting, I just saw someone capialise everything they said. :)
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