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  1. # Session Start: Fri Mar 27 00:00:00 2009
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  20. # [04:11] <MikeSmith> issue-64?
  21. # [04:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-64
  22. # [04:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-64 -- Web Sockets API: in scope? requirement? coordination -- RAISED
  23. # [04:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/64
  24. # [04:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-64 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  27. # [05:29] <MikeSmith> http://blog.jclark.com/2009/03/getting-involved-with-m.html
  28. # [05:29] <pimpbot> Title: James Clark's Random Thoughts: Getting involved with M (at blog.jclark.com)
  29. # [05:29] <MikeSmith> [[
  30. # [05:29] <MikeSmith> There's a senior Microsoft guy that gets to make the final call on all design decisions. In other words, it's a benevolent dictator model. I'm OK with this in principle (although I like it even better when I'm the benevolent dictator). I think it's worked really well in a number of cases (C# and Python spring to mind). But obviously it all depends on the qualities of the particular benevolent dictator.
  31. # [05:29] <MikeSmith> ]
  32. # [05:30] <MikeSmith> "From my interactions so far, he seems like a really smart guy and he's willing to listen."
  33. # [05:30] <MikeSmith> wonder who that person is
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  54. # [09:47] <hsivonen> I wonder if XHTML2 early adopters (in back end systems) use the http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2/ namespace or the http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml namespace
  55. # [09:47] <pimpbot> Title: XHTML 2.0 namespace (at www.w3.org)
  56. # [09:49] <anne> Mozilla used the former.
  57. # [09:49] <hsivonen> anne: where? in an experimental XBL binding?
  58. # [09:55] <anne> I'm not sure they do anymore. It was for the role="" stuff when that initially landed.
  59. # [09:56] <hsivonen> anne: ah right. That got killed together with ARIA colons.
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  66. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so in Assertions.java, about checking for the 'input that's a child of a label element with a "for" attribute must have an ID that matches that "for" attribute' constraint
  67. # [10:53] * hsivonen opens Assertions.java
  68. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> would a good way to do that to be to, when finding an <input> instance, first check if there are any open <label> elements?
  69. # [10:54] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: StackNode needs to hold the <label> 'for' attribute values
  70. # [10:55] * MikeSmith looks at StackNode
  71. # [10:55] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: then <input>s need to check the stack
  72. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> oh cool
  73. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> that's make it easier
  74. # [10:56] <hsivonen> also, ancestorMask needs to get a bit indicating a <label @for>
  75. # [10:58] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: IIRC, the ancestor mask bits are copied down in the stack
  76. # [10:58] <MikeSmith> OK
  77. # [10:58] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: so at any given node, you can check the bitfield to see if there's interesting stuff up in the stack
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  79. # [10:59] <MikeSmith> I see, yeah, looking at some of the existing checking for other elements now
  80. # [11:00] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: note that attribute bits are in the high bits since the low bits are reserved for the magic elements
  81. # [11:01] <hsivonen> (1 << 28) seems to be available for @for
  82. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: just call it FOR_MASK?
  83. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> LABEL_FOR_MASK?
  84. # [11:06] * MikeSmith makes it LABEL_FOR_MASK, since FOR_MASK alone seems kind of potentially confusing/ambiguous
  85. # [11:09] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: LABEL_FOR_MASK seems fine
  86. # [11:09] <MikeSmith> k
  87. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: hmm, am I not going to get a syntax error if I just do: if ("label" == localName && for)
  88. # [11:13] <hsivonen> for is a reserved word
  89. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> yeah
  90. # [11:15] <MikeSmith> so, I'm wondering how to express that condition otherwise
  91. # [11:18] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I suggest doing } else if ("for" == attLocal) { forVal = atts.getValue(i); } in the attribute loop
  92. # [11:19] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: OK
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  94. # [11:22] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: do you care at all what to call the variable that then needs to gets set? "forAttr"? "hasFor"? ..
  95. # [11:23] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I don't care much. forVal or forAttr make sense for the actual string and hasFor for a presence boolean
  96. # [11:23] <MikeSmith> oh, or just check for forVal
  97. # [11:23] <MikeSmith> OK
  98. # [11:23] <MikeSmith> I'll mess around with it more later
  99. # [11:23] <hsivonen> but forVal != null
  100. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> yeah
  101. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> I see
  102. # [11:24] <hsivonen> ok
  103. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> tired
  104. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> gotta go
  105. # [11:24] <hsivonen> ttyl
  106. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> cheers
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  116. # [13:03] <pimpbot> planet: Open Design Lunch video — Fennec Bookmarks <http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/open-design-lunch-video-fennec-bookmarks/>
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  127. # [18:04] <pimpbot> planet: Validator.nu HTML Parser 1.2.0 <http://blog.whatwg.org/validatornu-html-parser-120> ** The Validator.nu HTML Parser <http://about.validator.nu/htmlparser/>
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  141. # [23:41] <anne> people want to read http://www.w3.org/2009/03/27-hcg-minutes.html
  142. # [23:44] <anne> HCG seems about as functional as the XHTML2 WG
  143. # [23:54] <Philip> People want to read it but are unable to
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