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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 15 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  9. # [01:41] <billyjackass> the question of how conformance checkers should handle obsolete elements and attributes seems way more important than what the spec should say about them
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  11. # [01:47] <rubys> Tsk, tsk: http://wiki.whatwg.org/index.php?title=RelExtensions&diff=3606&oldid=3603
  12. # [01:47] <pimpbot> Title: RelExtensions - WHATWG Wiki (at wiki.whatwg.org)
  13. # [01:50] <rubys> I'd assert that there is a real use case for border, cellpadding, cellspacing, and the like, but that's just me.
  14. # [02:04] <MikeSmith> rubys: I think hsivonen has suggested that making those non-conforming might in fact be counter-productive
  15. # [02:04] <MikeSmith> given how widespread their use already is
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  17. # [02:05] <Hixie> as i understand it, hsivonen meant for the cases where the attributes have their default (no-op) values, which the spec now classifies as a downplayed error
  18. # [02:05] <MikeSmith> counter-productive in that authors don't really want to have conformance checkers complaining about them
  19. # [02:05] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I don't remember him making that distinction
  20. # [02:06] <MikeSmith> but given data like http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama-tables/#table
  21. # [02:06] <pimpbot> Title: MAMA: Tables - Opera Developer Community (at dev.opera.com)
  22. # [02:06] <Hixie> that's certainly was was being proposed for <img border=0>
  23. # [02:07] <Hixie> i'm pretty sure it was the case for the others too, but i may be mistaken
  24. # [02:07] <rubys> Given the wiki markup, I can collapse the cellspacing to zero and add a bit to the cellpadding, something I don't think I can do with style...
  25. # [02:07] <Hixie> you can definitely do anything in css that you can with the html attributes, since the attributes are implemented in terms of translations to css by browsers
  26. # [02:07] <Hixie> as far as the wiki syntax goes... no idea
  27. # [02:08] <Hixie> but they should be using html, not their own synta :-)
  28. # [02:08] <rubys> The wiki markup only allows me to set style attributes on the table element
  29. # [02:08] <rubys> I would assert that people who chose wikis treat the wiki markup as a feature not a bug :-)
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  31. # [02:10] <MikeSmith> I hope wiki syntax will die out completely with wider native support support in browser for editable pages/contents
  32. # [02:11] * rubys likes diffs
  33. # [02:11] <rubys> upping the ante: http://wiki.whatwg.org/index.php?title=RelExtensions&diff=3608&oldid=3606
  34. # [02:11] <pimpbot> Title: RelExtensions - WHATWG Wiki (at wiki.whatwg.org)
  35. # [02:11] <MikeSmith> heh
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  37. # [02:13] <MikeSmith> rubys: please add alternative background color for every odd row
  38. # [02:13] <rubys> isn't that a CSS3 feature?
  39. # [02:14] <MikeSmith> I hope so
  40. # [02:15] <rubys> what browsers today support :nth-child ?
  41. # [02:15] <Hixie> if you could edit the CSS file instead of using the presentational attributes, that would be ideal
  42. # [02:15] <Hixie> (as i understand it, the mediawiki stylesheets are editable from the wiki, but i may be mistaken)
  43. # [02:16] <rubys> Don't tell diveintomark or the whole wiki will be serving platypuses...
  44. # [02:16] <Hixie> platypuses?
  45. # [02:18] <rubys> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/06/12/how_to_consume_rss_safely
  46. # [02:18] <pimpbot> Title: How to consume RSS safely [dive into mark] (at diveintomark.org)
  47. # [02:20] <Hixie> i don't understand the relevance
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  49. # [02:23] <MikeSmith> http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
  50. # [02:23] <pimpbot> Title: List all accepted organizations (at socghop.appspot.com)
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  71. # [07:44] <MikeSmith> nico: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clark_(XML_expert)
  72. # [07:54] <MikeSmith> http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/jing.html
  73. # [07:54] <pimpbot> Title: Jing (at www.thaiopensource.com)
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  78. # [09:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 6812] New: Typo: JavsScript <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Apr/0075.html>
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  107. # [15:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 6562] Define parsing quirks <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Apr/0076.html>
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  110. # [15:50] <pimpbot> planet: IE8: Web Storage <http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/04/ie8-webstorage>
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  117. # [16:50] <pimpbot> planet: Demo - Firefox 3.5: Web Workers in action <http://blog.mozbox.org/post/2009/04/10/Web-Workers-in-action>
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  121. # [17:51] <pimpbot> planet: Making video a first class citizen of the Web <http://standblog.org/blog/post/2009/04/15/Making-video-a-first-class-citizen-of-the-Web>
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  128. # [19:19] <pimpbot> changes: update html5-diff to take into account the latest edits to html5; I need someone to carefully check this; really <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Apr/0052.html>
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  131. # [20:19] <pimpbot> changes: add the previous edition <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Apr/0053.html>
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