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  1. # Session Start: Mon Apr 20 00:00:00 2009
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  22. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: what about just making the attribute model for elements in legacy.rnc just be common.attr.anything?
  23. # [10:07] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: why?
  24. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> To avoid emitting any additional messages for those elements.
  25. # [10:08] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: in practice, <font ueouaooe=uoeuo> is more wrong than <font color=red>
  26. # [10:08] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: true, but right now, legacy.rnc doesn't distinguish between those cases anyway
  27. # [10:08] <MikeSmith> it only allows common.attrs on font, I think
  28. # [10:08] <hsivonen> oh. ok then
  29. # [10:09] <MikeSmith> well, I think it should do one or other
  30. # [10:09] <MikeSmith> I mean, it should either have the correct attribute models for the elements, or make them common.attr.anything
  31. # [10:10] <MikeSmith> shall I make a patch that adds the correct attributes?
  32. # [10:10] <MikeSmith> it wouldn't be much work
  33. # [10:10] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: OK. great
  34. # [10:11] <MikeSmith> OK
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  36. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so I notice that there's the xhtml5core-plus-web-forms2.rnc file but not equivalent one for HTML
  37. # [10:33] <MikeSmith> wondering if that driver is actually used for anything
  38. # [10:35] * MikeSmith runs find . | xargs grep "xhtml5core-plus-web-forms2.rnc"
  39. # [10:38] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: there are probably drivers that no one actually uses
  40. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: well, I find that's one used for some current tests at least
  41. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> so I won't mess with it
  42. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> or I mean, I just make the change so that it gets included in the set of generated drivers
  43. # [10:40] <hsivonen> the current set of drivers has some randomness in it
  44. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> OK
  45. # [10:58] <anne> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/ should be ready for publication too now
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  47. # [11:09] <MikeSmith> anne: thanks
  48. # [11:09] <Hixie> html5 is ready too, btw
  49. # [11:09] <Hixie> (same date, tuesday)
  50. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> Hixie: OK, thanks
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  84. # [17:25] <anne> Julian, yes we do, I just provided it
  85. # [17:27] <anne> Julian, and what is the difference between non-conforming and obsolete from an author's perspective?
  86. # [17:28] <Julian> Anne, "yes we do", as in, "we honor the type"? In which case, Opera does accept application/ecmascript, right?
  87. # [17:28] <Julian> Anne, so the question is: can script/@type="application/ecmascript" be deployed in current browsers for external scripts?
  88. # [17:30] <Julian> Anne, re: "obsolete" and "conforming" - that depends on their respective definitions. It may or may not make a difference.
  89. # [17:31] <anne> Julian, Opera does, Internet Explorer does not
  90. # [17:32] <anne> Julian, how can something that is obsolete be conforming? I'd be interested in your definitions.
  91. # [17:33] <Julian> Anne, IE does not respect the type? In which case the type could be used in practice?
  92. # [17:33] <anne> Julian, IE does respect the type attribute and does not support application/ecmascript
  93. # [17:33] <Julian> Anne, how do my definitions matter? What's relevant are the definitions of "conforming" in HTML5 and "obsolete" in RFC 4329.
  94. # [17:33] <anne> Julian, IE does not respect HTTP metadata
  95. # [17:33] <anne> Julian, apart from the charset parameter
  96. # [17:33] <Julian> Anne, thanks for the data.
  97. # [17:34] <anne> Pretty sure you already knew this (has been on the list before)
  98. # [17:34] <Julian> I wouldn't have asked otherwise. My memory is limited.
  99. # [17:35] <Julian> So, as HTML5 has a default for @type, the best advice seems to be not to specify it then.
  100. # [17:35] <Julian> Or am I missing something?
  101. # [17:35] <anne> That seems about right.
  102. # [17:36] <anne> The type attribute takes a MIME type though and it makes sense to me that text/javascript is allowed there and that pages using that now don't have to change.
  103. # [17:36] <anne> Also, if you want to specify a specific version (and that seems to be a growing trend with JavaScript/ECMAScript extensions) you need to specify a type.
  104. # [17:36] <Julian> It would be pointless to ask for changing pages if the other type doesn't work in practice.
  105. # [17:38] <anne> Talk to the XHTML2 WG :)
  106. # [17:38] <Julian> Nope :-)
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