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  20. # [04:16] <karl> http://www.w3.org/mid/1igm05tt25ip8kg10hureru72agmo2n2c9@hive.bjoern.hoehrmann.de
  21. # [04:16] <pimpbot> Title: Spiderman and the XHTML Kindergarten from Bjoern Hoehrmann on 2009-05-13 (www-archive@w3.org from May 2009) (at www.w3.org)
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  29. # [08:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 6902] Note incompatibilities with RDF serializations <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009May/0005.html>
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  34. # [09:40] * Topic is '"Bringing Web standards back to reality?" (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/)'
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  38. # [13:13] * karl wonders if the crowd who is actively implementing microdata tried to implement rdfa
  39. # [13:13] * karl is going in the meantime to the Web coalmine
  40. # [13:13] * Philip hasn't, because implementations of RDFa already exist, and because it would be complex to write a new one
  41. # [13:14] <Philip> (I implemented the microdata thing primarily to make it easier to understand and evaluate the proposal)
  42. # [13:14] * jgraham repeats what Philip said
  43. # [13:15] <Philip> (and secondarily as a means of procrastination)
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  54. # [14:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 6902] Note incompatibilities with RDF serializations" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009May/0006.html>
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  71. # [17:31] <ChrisWilson> zakim, this will be html
  72. # [17:31] <Zakim> ok, ChrisWilson; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
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  78. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  79. # [18:00] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  80. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> zakim, m is me
  81. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named 'm'
  82. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> zakim, M is me
  83. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named 'M'
  84. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> zakim, Microsoft is me
  85. # [18:00] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  86. # [18:00] * ChrisWilson hrm
  87. # [18:00] <ChrisWilson> regrets: David Singer
  88. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Julian
  89. # [18:01] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  90. # [18:01] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson
  91. # [18:01] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ review tracker:http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  92. # [18:01] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  93. # [18:01] <pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  94. # [18:02] <ChrisWilson> agenda+ Discuss "predefined vocabularies" section overlapping with IETF vCard activity -http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0113.html - suggested by Julian.
  95. # [18:02] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  96. # [18:02] <pimpbot> Title: Concerns about new section "predefined vocabularies" from Julian Reschke on 2009-05-13 (public-html@w3.org from May 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  97. # [18:03] <Julian> shelleyp, welcome!
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  100. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  101. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Masinter
  102. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> zakim, IPcaller is shelleyp
  103. # [18:04] <Zakim> +shelleyp; got it
  104. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Sam
  105. # [18:05] <shelleyp> Hi Julian
  106. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.218.349.aaaa
  107. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> zakim, aaaa is Laura
  108. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  109. # [18:06] <ChrisWilson> zakim, pick a scribe
  110. # [18:06] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Laura
  111. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.613.998.aabb
  112. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, aabb is John Stewart
  113. # [18:07] <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is John Stewart', ChrisWilson
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  115. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, +aabb is John Stewart
  116. # [18:07] <Zakim> I don't understand '+aabb is John Stewart', ChrisWilson
  117. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is on the phone?
  118. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see ChrisWilson, Julian, shelleyp, Masinter, Sam, Laura, +1.613.998.aabb
  119. # [18:07] <ChrisWilson> zakim, aabb is JohnStewart
  120. # [18:07] <Zakim> +JohnStewart; got it
  121. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> zakim, pick a scribe
  122. # [18:08] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Masinter
  123. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> scribenick:masinter
  124. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> scribe:masinter
  125. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> chair:ChrisWilson
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  127. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 1
  128. # [18:09] <Zakim> agendum 1. "review tracker:http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda" taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  129. # [18:10] <masinter> chris: additions to agenda? Julian's request noted.
  130. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> action-98?
  131. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-98
  132. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-98 -- Matthew May to discuss missing-alt with the WAI CG and report back -- due 2009-05-28 -- OPEN
  133. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/98
  134. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-98 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  135. # [18:10] <masinter> sam: action updated by 3 weeks
  136. # [18:10] <ChrisWilson> action-99?
  137. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-99
  138. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Sam Ruby to review @profile -- due 2009-05-14 -- OPEN
  139. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/99
  140. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-99 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  141. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> action-121?
  142. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-121
  143. # [18:11] <masinter> sam: plan to move it to 'raised' if no new owner found by end of May
  144. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-121 -- Dan Connolly to submit id for URLs in HTML 5 -- due 2009-05-14 -- OPEN
  145. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/121
  146. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-121 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  147. # [18:11] <DanC> action-121 due next week
  148. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-121.
  149. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-121 Submit id for URLs in HTML 5 due date now next week
  150. # [18:12] <DanC> (sorry)
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  152. # [18:13] <masinter> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009May/0000.html
  153. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: Re: A new RFC for Web Addresses/Hypertext References: Background wrt LEIRIs from Martin J. Dürst on 2009-05-01 (www-tag@w3.org from May 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  154. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  155. # [18:14] <ChrisWilson> action-105?
  156. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-105
  157. # [18:14] <trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Sam Ruby to should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. -- due 2009-05-14 -- OPEN
  158. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/105
  159. # [18:14] <masinter> larry: there is a discussion on www-tag about converging these documents to avoid normative overlap
  160. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  161. # [18:15] <masinter> sam: dependent on RDFa and HTML?
  162. # [18:15] <masinter> ... until that happens, Sam believes the working groups will continue
  163. # [18:16] <masinter> sam: it's not that they're tightly linked, people like XHTML because it is extensible, and the overall concern is that if the groups are merged, there would not be that productive discussoin
  164. # [18:17] <shelleyp> I seem to be muted, would like to talk
  165. # [18:18] <masinter> sam: given that the HTML working group is interested in microdata, the results to date are that Ian is only interested in use cases and not the spec, but the RDFa groups are not interested in editing a spec
  166. # [18:18] <masinter> ... I've yet to seen Ian budge, or to see new editors emerge
  167. # [18:18] <masinter> ... either Ian shows he's interested, or an editor needs to emerge
  168. # [18:18] <masinter> shelley: have any editors of XHTML2 emerged?
  169. # [18:19] <masinter> sam: any number of people can be editors, but all I've gotten is silence. I've talked to PLH and Steven and others, but no individual has stepped forward to edit a document, but so far no one has stpped forward
  170. # [18:20] <Julian> zakim, unmute shelleyp
  171. # [18:20] <Zakim> shelleyp was not muted, Julian
  172. # [18:20] <masinter> ... without editors there can be no progress on merging the groups
  173. # [18:20] <Zakim> -shelleyp
  174. # [18:20] <masinter> ... Given that there is active interest, I will move this to next week
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  176. # [18:21] <Julian> q+
  177. # [18:21] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  178. # [18:21] <masinter> chris: was a question of whether any of the editors of XHTHML2 would be interested in being editors of HTML5. If we can get the working groups to align on goals, we could pick up additional resources, XHTML2 has 8 editors on the spec.
  179. # [18:22] <ChrisWilson> ack j
  180. # [18:22] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  181. # [18:22] <Zakim> +??P8
  182. # [18:23] <masinter> julian: those people who might be interested in working here might think that it would be futile. The RDFa group thinks this is work in progress, and they are working on a spec about prefixes. Would that document how it should be done, or how it is being done now, and they are concerned about that.
  183. # [18:23] <masinter> ... the sooner we make progress on that, the better.
  184. # [18:23] <Zakim> -??P8
  185. # [18:23] <ChrisWilson> action-34?
  186. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-34
  187. # [18:23] <trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Lachlan Hunt to prepare "Web Developer's Guide to HTML5" for publication in some way, as discussed on 2007-11-28 phone conference -- due 2009-02-27 -- OPEN
  188. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/34
  189. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-34 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  190. # [18:24] <masinter> action-78?
  191. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-78
  192. # [18:24] <trackbot> ACTION-78 -- Lachlan Hunt to work on text and heading for 1.5.4 Relationship to Flash, Silverlight, XUL and similar proprietary languages -- due 2009-03-01 -- OPEN
  193. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/78
  194. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  195. # [18:25] <Julian> RDFa in HTML: two thoughts... (a) People who may be interested may think it would be futile because Ian isn't going to include it anyway, (b) the RDFa people seem still to be working on the best way fore prefix declarations...
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  197. # [18:26] <masinter> sam: issue is closed without prejudice
  198. # [18:26] <Julian> ...so there is already a difference between what would "the right way", and what's already done in the wild.
  199. # [18:26] <masinter> action-78?
  200. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-78
  201. # [18:26] <trackbot> ACTION-78 -- Lachlan Hunt to work on text and heading for 1.5.4 Relationship to Flash, Silverlight, XUL and similar proprietary languages -- due 2009-03-01 -- CLOSED
  202. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/78
  203. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  204. # [18:26] <masinter> sam: Dan sent a note out that he was trying to attract interest
  205. # [18:27] <masinter> action-34?
  206. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-34
  207. # [18:27] <trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Lachlan Hunt to prepare "Web Developer's Guide to HTML5" for publication in some way, as discussed on 2007-11-28 phone conference -- due 2009-02-27 -- OPEN
  208. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/34
  209. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-34 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:27] <masinter> topic: action-34
  211. # [18:27] <masinter> sam: suggest assigning this issue to DanC
  212. # [18:27] <ChrisWilson> action-38?
  213. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-38
  214. # [18:27] <trackbot> ACTION-38 -- Sam Ruby to chairs to review need for amending charter with Director -- due 2009-04-30 -- OPEN
  215. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/38
  216. # [18:27] <masinter> action-34?
  217. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-34
  218. # [18:27] <trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Dan Connolly to prepare "Web Developer's Guide to HTML5" for publication in some way, as discussed on 2007-11-28 phone conference -- due 2009-02-27 -- OPEN
  219. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-38 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  220. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/34
  221. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-34 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  222. # [18:28] <DanC> hmm... ok
  223. # [18:29] <rubys1> action-34 is moved to june 18
  224. # [18:29] <rubys1> s/-34/-38/
  225. # [18:29] <ChrisWilson> DanC that'll teach you not to show up to the call. :)
  226. # [18:29] <ChrisWilson> issue-20?
  227. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-20
  228. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5 spec -- RAISED
  229. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/20
  230. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-20 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  231. # [18:30] <masinter> sam: progress has been that things have been moving out of the spec, not in, so move this forward a bit
  232. # [18:30] <rubys1> s/sam/chris/
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  234. # [18:31] <masinter> (discussion of status, Dan changed this to Pending Review, not sure what that meant)
  235. # [18:31] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 1
  236. # [18:31] <Zakim> agendum 1, review tracker:http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda, closed
  237. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: About http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda (at www.w3.org)
  238. # [18:31] <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
  239. # [18:31] <Zakim> 2. Discuss "predefined vocabularies" section overlapping with IETF vCard activity -http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0113.html - suggested by Julian. [from
  240. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: Concerns about new section "predefined vocabularies" from Julian Reschke on 2009-05-13 (public-html@w3.org from May 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  241. # [18:31] <masinter> hold until DanC is available
  242. # [18:31] <Zakim> ... ChrisWilson]
  243. # [18:31] <ChrisWilson> zakim, take up item 2
  244. # [18:31] <Zakim> agendum 2. "Discuss "predefined vocabularies" section overlapping with IETF vCard activity -http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0113.html - suggested by
  245. # [18:31] <Zakim> ... Julian." taken up [from ChrisWilson]
  246. # [18:32] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  247. # [18:32] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  248. # [18:32] <Zakim> +DanC
  249. # [18:32] <masinter> Julian: the spec now contains two big sections that replicate IETF sections, has no idea why Ian is doing that
  250. # [18:33] <masinter> ... in this best case this contains the same information. What's in there is now out of sync with IETF, why would it ever be replicated
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  252. # [18:33] <masinter> chris: what ian is tyring to do to make the HTML5 spec stand on its own
  253. # [18:33] <masinter> chris: ... not really what i want to do, but it still has to point to a specific rev of IETF spec?
  254. # [18:33] <DanC> need? why do we need this section at all?
  255. # [18:34] <masinter> julian: he's doing what he always does, rewriting everything in his own writing style, in the best case it specifies the same thing, in the worst case specifies minor differences. I have no idea why this is going on.
  256. # [18:35] <DanC> does anybody know why the vcard stuff was added?
  257. # [18:35] * Philip expects Hixie will explain his reasoning in an email response to the use cases shortly
  258. # [18:35] <masinter> julian: vCard section is the first one, in the meanwhile he has added iCalendar. If this was April 1 I would get the joke.
  259. # [18:35] <masinter> ... and also (something)
  260. # [18:36] <Julian> masinter: BibTeX
  261. # [18:36] <masinter> DanC: what does this have to do with anything. This is like putting a spec for black and white television
  262. # [18:36] <masinter> chris: vCard in HTML is in use today
  263. # [18:37] <masinter> julian: the validator can actually check vCard conformance
  264. # [18:37] <masinter> ... but why does it have to be embedded in the spec
  265. # [18:37] <Philip> The point of the microdata thing is to express data, in some cases using a shared vocabulary, so he's just defining some of those shared vocabularies
  266. # [18:38] <masinter> chris: I understand how to we want to declare how to use vcard in HTML, and want to take some IETF reference and changing it along the way
  267. # [18:38] <ChrisWilson> s/want to/ wouldn't want to
  268. # [18:38] <jgraham> I understand the reason for the vocabulary features is that people have put forward those use cases
  269. # [18:38] <Philip> (I'd hope they would be moved out of the HTML5 document at some point in the future, so they're standalone documents referenced from some centralised registry)
  270. # [18:39] <masinter> chris: do you think the adoption of vCard is helped or hindered?
  271. # [18:39] <rubys1> Philip: +1
  272. # [18:39] <Philip> (but they need to go somewhere for now)
  273. # [18:39] <jgraham> (I have no particular opinion about whether they should be defined in HTML 5 but they do, at least, need a clear spec)
  274. # [18:39] <masinter> ... best reason I could come up with is that if vCard is something that could be tested by an HTML conformance checker....
  275. # [18:39] <DanC> they didn't need to be defined in the HTML spec as long as there was a head/@profile attribute. But I guess since he took that extension point out, extensions have to be bolted on directly. Still... embedding this in a 300 page spec is not a good way to get review.
  276. # [18:40] <jgraham> DanC: I don't think either of those things is true
  277. # [18:40] <masinter> julian: one reason is that the microformats specs are hard to read and lack preciseness, so there is lot of metadata that is vcard but doesn't parse correctly
  278. # [18:40] <jgraham> They could easilly be specified in an external document, and putting them in something high profile like HTML 5 seems like the perfect way to get review
  279. # [18:41] <masinter> sam: suggest we ask his intent
  280. # [18:41] <Philip> They could be specified externally in a wiki, like rel values
  281. # [18:41] <jgraham> (like I could publish bibtex for HTML based on the microdata section tommorrow and no one one notice or care)
  282. # [18:41] <Philip> (not that I think that's a good idea necessarily)
  283. # [18:41] <jgraham> s/one one/one would/
  284. # [18:42] <masinter> larry: this is another instance of the general issue of normative overlap between HTML and documents of other organization
  285. # [18:44] <masinter> it's still an issue with the origin header
  286. # [18:44] <hsivonen> It seems less useful to tell everyone go figure out how to cast vcard into microdata on their own
  287. # [18:45] <hober> Indeed.
  288. # [18:47] <Philip> hsivonen, there are alternatives other than not defining it all, e.g. some document could define how to translate microdata into vCard and then state that a document is only conforming if the extracted vCard follows vCard's conformance requirements
  289. # [18:47] * DanC needs to go now.
  290. # [18:47] <masinter> julian: the vCard and iCalendar spec include an extensibility mechanism that is used in practice, but this extension mechanism is not in the HTML vcard specification
  291. # [18:48] <Zakim> -DanC
  292. # [18:48] <ChrisWilson> +1 to philip
  293. # [18:48] <Philip> hsivonen, rather than reproducing the conformance requirements at the HTML layer
  294. # [18:48] <masinter> ... so there's an extensibility issue
  295. # [18:48] <masinter> ((note masinter rant not scribed, will write up later))
  296. # [18:48] <jgraham> Philip: Sure. What we have now might not be the best approach. But it might be better than nothing
  297. # [18:48] <masinter> chris: it seems like the most moderate comment is Philip's
  298. # [18:49] <jgraham> In general it seems like a fallacy to assume that the best result is achieved if we partition the world into nice llittle non-overalpping pieces and then expect them to all move together
  299. # [18:49] <hsivonen> Philip, that's approximately how microformats dealt with the issue (at least last I looked), and it made it hard to figure out how to produce and consume hcard/hcalendar
  300. # [18:50] <masinter> julian: a spec that says how to use vCard in HTML and extract vCard in HTML would be useful. Not sure if it needs to be part of HTML, where would this end? Not productive to spend much time on this until we have feedback from Ian.
  301. # [18:52] <jgraham> It is worth noting that the BiBTeX case is rather different as there is no meaningful spec that one could point to, even in principle
  302. # [18:52] <Philip> jgraham, Indeed - I think there are valid concerns, and they can be discussed on the mailing list, and removing the section from the spec before examining that feedback would be premature, so I don't see anything to worry about yet
  303. # [18:52] <masinter> larry: is this an effective process?
  304. # [18:52] <masinter> chris: I expected it would be put in the spec at some point sooner or later
  305. # [18:52] <Philip> (and having the proposals be in the HTML5 spec means they should get lots of feedback)
  306. # [18:52] <jgraham> Philip: Agreed
  307. # [18:54] <ChrisWilson> action: Hixie to discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5
  308. # [18:54] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  309. # [18:54] * RRSAgent records action 1
  310. # [18:54] <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5 [on Ian Hickson - due 2009-05-21].
  311. # [18:55] <masinter> sam: this was a successful tactic in the past, maybe it will work now
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  313. # [18:56] <masinter> larry misreported sam's intent
  314. # [18:56] <masinter> sam: i haven't looked at it, so want to withhold judgement
  315. # [18:57] <ChrisWilson> zakim, close item 2
  316. # [18:57] <Zakim> agendum 2, Discuss "predefined vocabularies" section overlapping with IETF vCard activity -http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0113.html - suggested by Julian.,
  317. # [18:57] <pimpbot> Title: Concerns about new section "predefined vocabularies" from Julian Reschke on 2009-05-13 (public-html@w3.org from May 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  318. # [18:57] <Zakim> ... closed
  319. # [18:57] <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
  320. # [18:57] <masinter> ((rant about origin header not recorded))
  321. # [18:57] <masinter> adjourn
  322. # [18:57] <ChrisWilson> adjourned
  323. # [18:57] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  324. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Sam
  325. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Julian
  326. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Laura
  327. # [18:58] <Zakim> -JohnStewart
  328. # [18:58] <ChrisWilson> rrsagent, make minutes
  329. # [18:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-html-wg-minutes.html ChrisWilson
  330. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Masinter
  331. # [18:58] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  332. # [18:58] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  333. # [18:58] <Zakim> Attendees were ChrisWilson, Julian, Masinter, shelleyp, Sam, +1.218.349.aaaa, Laura, +1.613.998.aabb, JohnStewart, Cynthia_Shelly, DanC
  334. # [18:58] <ChrisWilson> rrsagent, make minutes
  335. # [18:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-html-wg-minutes.html ChrisWilson
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