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  9. # [01:09] <MikeSmith> Hixie: the reason the comments weren't showing up in the design-principles WBS survey was apparently because some recent fix or enhancement to the WBS source had caused a regression that made them not all get picked up from the DB correctly
  10. # [01:09] <MikeSmith> anyway, it's fixed now
  11. # [01:09] <Hixie> cool
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  17. # [03:28] <pimpbot> changes: Fix how drag and drop exports data. (whatwg r3115) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009May/0041.html>
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  67. # [17:34] <annevk> DanC, what is the relevance of hsivonen's quote in http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/05/data_interchange_problems_come.html ?
  68. # [17:34] <pimpbot> Title: Data interchange problems come in all sizes - W3C Q Weblog (at www.w3.org)
  69. # [17:39] <Philip> Example: the problem of interchanging data between <title> and IRC
  70. # [17:40] <jgraham> Philip: I think you just made it somewhat less clear
  71. # [17:42] <Philip> Huh?
  72. # [17:46] <jgraham> Philip: Is you example supposed to be related to annevk's question?
  73. # [17:46] <jgraham> s/u/ur/
  74. # [17:47] <Philip> jgraham: No, it's supposed to be related to pimpbot's response
  75. # [17:48] <jgraham> Oh, I see
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  78. # [18:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 6854] if attribute values enumerated, allow case-sensitivity for meta content values <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009May/0007.html>
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  85. # [19:47] <annevk> rubys1, what do you mean by "As such, a public, substantive response is required."?
  86. # [19:48] <annevk> rubys1, the chairs at the time decided to publish over the objection
  87. # [19:48] <annevk> rubys1, as for editing, I'm not that interested to be honest
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  90. # [19:53] <rubys1> url for decision?
  91. # [19:53] <rubys1> annevk: I don't understand what you are referring to w.r.t "editing"
  92. # [19:54] <rubys1> if the decision was made, no editing is necessary. If a decision wasn't made, then it still may possible to make a substantive response without an edit.
  93. # [19:54] <annevk> you referred to authors and doing something in your email
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  95. # [19:55] <rubys1> by "doing something" I meant "substantive response"
  96. # [19:57] <rubys1> anyway, if the decision was made but not followed through, I see no reason to undo the decision. If not, all that remains is a substantive response to the one objection.
  97. # [19:57] <annevk> I'm still not sure what that means
  98. # [19:57] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Nov/0216.html
  99. # [19:57] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Release "HTML Design Principles" as a W3C Working Draft from Dan Connolly on 2007-11-16 (public-html@w3.org from November 2007) (at lists.w3.org)
  100. # [19:57] <annevk> is the decision to publish btw
  101. # [19:58] <rubys1> that's good enough for me!
  102. # [20:00] <annevk> ok, I'm still confused though :)
  103. # [20:01] <rubys1> it was published, without declaring consensus. A question was asked if there were plans to assess consensus. Such could be done simply with a post to public-html which substantively addressed the objection; but as near as I can tell, nobody intends to do so.
  104. # [20:02] <rubys1> I'm OK with leaving it as is. If somebody wishes to address the objection, I'd be willing to declare consensus.
  105. # [20:02] <annevk> ta
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  108. # [20:55] <rubys> I'm thinking of posting the following to public-html later today, if anybody wishes to provide feedback before I post, I'd appreciate it: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/html5.txt
  109. # [20:58] <annevk> nit: it has changed from FPWD to "just" WD
  110. # [20:59] <rubys> I think the two occurrences of FPWD in that text are correct as is.
  111. # [20:59] <annevk> s/and summary/and @summary/
  112. # [21:00] <annevk> yes, but the statement that follows is not quite correct
  113. # [21:00] <rubys> the status of "meeting the criteria for FPWD" is likely to change? I don't think so... :-)
  114. # [21:01] <rubys> @summary: thanks!
  115. # [21:01] <pimpbot> rubys: Huh?
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  117. # [21:01] <annevk> rubys, "This status is not likely to change." (it has)
  118. # [21:02] <annevk> (also, it's not backed up why it's not likely to change given that later on you say you think it will...)
  119. # [21:03] <annevk> as for FOs, I personally think it would be more useful if people raised those kind of comments now rather than at Last Call
  120. # [21:03] <annevk> ideally we'd go to LC without FOs
  121. # [21:05] <rubys> "you say you think it will"... where did I say that?
  122. # [21:06] <rubys> as to FO's, I'm encouraging then "at this time", i.e. now... i.e., not waiting to LC.
  123. # [21:06] <annevk> rubys, you said you expect going to LC is feasible, but maybe I misunderstood
  124. # [21:06] <rubys> but I'll change that to "well before Last Call"
  125. # [21:07] <annevk> rubys, due to "preparing" that wasn't clear to me
  126. # [21:07] <rubys> how does this sound: "Those that feel otherwise would be served by raising issues[1] and raising Formal Objections well before Last Call."
  127. # [21:07] <annevk> (the other point was really just a nit; FPWD != WD and we have published the latter)
  128. # [21:08] <annevk> good
  129. # [21:08] <hsivonen> rubys: last time you asked for FOs, you got them
  130. # [21:08] <hsivonen> rubys: it might be better not to suggest that people send FOs
  131. # [21:09] <rubys> my feeling is that we are going to get them, and I'd rather get then in June than in October.
  132. # [21:11] <hsivonen> rubys: I'd rather encourage people to be proactive in their comment without mentioning FO
  133. # [21:12] <hsivonen> rubys: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have sent a FO earlier if your wording hadn't made it seem that you were looking for FOs
  134. # [21:12] <rubys> refresh my memory, which FO are you referring to?
  135. # [21:12] <hsivonen> rubys: the one about normative aspects of H:TML
  136. # [21:14] <rubys> I actually prefer it when people state their objections clearly and unambiguously, as you did.
  137. # [21:17] <rubys> ... but I've dropped it for now, and think I've addressed all of annevk's comments. Refresh and tell me if either of you think others.
  138. # [21:19] <annevk> seems fine
  139. # [21:20] <hsivonen> rubys: seems ok for the substance, though I'd prefer a different substance, one that didn't encourage a lot of drafts but focus on feedback on the existing deliverable
  140. # [21:21] <rubys> People have provided feedback on @profile and @summary. What would you suggest that they do differently?
  141. # [21:22] <hsivonen> rubys: I think we should allow for an outcome that those attributes don't end up as valid
  142. # [21:22] <rubys> I don't believe I said otherwise
  143. # [21:23] <hsivonen> ok, I suppose a concrete proposal makes sense for those two if anyone still wants to push them
  144. # [21:25] <rubys> I'm not limiting it to those two; the approach should be applicable in all cases where people have provided feedback to Ian and aren't happy with the results that Ian produced.
  145. # [21:26] <hsivonen> in that case, "the documents they produce will also be so recognized
  146. # [21:27] <hsivonen> " may promise too much
  147. # [21:27] <hsivonen> people who step up and make concrete proposals shouldn't have too high hopes of what mere recognition means
  148. # [21:27] <rubys> I think that's safe... what I said was that if the meet the criteria for being a WG WD...
  149. # [21:29] <rubys> s/if the/if they/
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