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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 22 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> getting interoperable implementations of the features that forward the web :-)
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  13. # [01:55] <MarcoAchury> Hello I'm now here, just curious about howdecission are made, very interested in to know more about future "tag soup" support
  14. # [01:58] <MarcoAchury> Your theme "Bringing Web standards back to reality?" sounds really good for me
  15. # [02:08] <Hixie> what kind of decisions?
  16. # [02:08] <MarcoAchury> The future of the standars!
  17. # [02:09] <Hixie> you mean technical details like what DOM APIs to have, or big things like what direction to go in?
  18. # [02:09] <Hixie> e.g. whether to use HTML5 or XHTML2?
  19. # [02:12] <MarcoAchury> html
  20. # [02:12] <Hixie> i don't understand your question
  21. # [02:21] <MarcoAchury> Just introducing myself... Not really a question. I'm interested know about html5. I write small bussiness apps, and I'm interested on generate html outputs, and the future options to use html as wordprosessing language, (simpler wordprocessing than offered by ODF or OOXML). I think that lurking your chat will give me some ideas.
  22. # [02:21] <Hixie> ah! then welcome :-)
  23. # [02:24] <MarcoAchury> thank you
  24. # [02:26] <MarcoAchury> I also read somewhere some comments about "tag soup", today I do simple non-xml html, all current browser continue supporting it even if don't fit any new standar. Do you think so support will cease in the next years?
  25. # [02:28] <Hixie> no
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  27. # [02:28] <Hixie> rubys1: do you know if an atom <atom:content> node should or should not contain a redundant instance of the entry's title, by any chance?
  28. # [02:29] <Hixie> i haven't been able to find information on that one way or the other
  29. # [02:29] <rubys1> the spec is silent on that, but given the usage I have seen, it would be odd if the information was repeated.
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  31. # [02:30] <Hixie> k
  32. # [02:30] <rubys> if tpac has a registration fee, I'll skip it
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  34. # [02:32] <Hixie> rubys: i was thinking of offering to host the htmlwg meeting at the google campus (near the hotel), if that helps. but i imagine that wouldn't go down well with w3c.
  35. # [02:32] <Hixie> ("near" as in cycling distance, not walking distance)
  36. # [02:38] <rubys> i'd attend that one
  37. # [02:40] <rubys> not exactly related, but I'll be in Mountain View Wed-Fri next week
  38. # [02:41] <Hixie> i'm busy web and fri but we could do dinner thursday if you want (around 6:30)
  39. # [02:41] <Hixie> wed, even
  40. # [02:41] <Hixie> not sure what websday would be
  41. # [02:43] <rubys> thursday's the day I probably have plans, but will check
  42. # [02:43] <Hixie> k, let me kno
  43. # [02:43] <Hixie> w
  44. # [02:44] <Hixie> i might be able to do lunch fri, too, if that works better (around 12:30 or 1)
  45. # [02:44] <Hixie> but it would have to be short
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  47. # [02:50] <MarcoAchury> Sorry, unstable conection...
  48. # [02:51] <Hixie> rubys: while i've got you here, any advice on how i should set the <atom:id> of an entry that doesn't have a canonical URL?
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  51. # [03:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 6942] New: Define how to handle failed 'resolve a url' steps in microdata algorithms <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009May/0009.html>
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  54. # [03:58] <rubys> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/05/28/howto-atom-id
  55. # [03:58] <pimpbot> Title: How to make a good ID in Atom [dive into mark] (at diveintomark.org)
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  69. # [07:49] <hsivonen> revising HTML 4 when HTML5 is being developed is a bit like revising Netscape 4 when Firefox is already available
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  73. # [08:00] <hsivonen> If you think we shouldn't have meetings, why offer to host one at Google?
  74. # [08:00] <hsivonen> Hixie: ^
  75. # [08:01] <hsivonen> I wonder if I could usefully attend an HTML WG meeting over the phone
  76. # [08:01] <hsivonen> traveling across more than two time zones tends to be disruptive to productivity and life in general
  77. # [08:02] <Hixie> because if we're going to have a meeting, and i complain about the cost to working group members who are not sponsored or who have sponsors who wouldn't want to pay the fee, then i believe i should at least offer an alternative
  78. # [08:03] <Hixie> i don't like to complain without offering a solution
  79. # [08:03] <hsivonen> I see
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  82. # [08:28] <pimpbot> changes: How to extract an Atom feed from an HTML5 document (whatwg r3116) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009May/0042.html>
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  87. # [09:13] <Philip> hsivonen: Maybe it's more like releasing security patches for Windows XP when Vista is already available
  88. # [09:15] <hsivonen> maybe
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  95. # [10:21] <Julian> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/05/28/howto-atom-id fails to mention urn:uuid:
  96. # [10:21] <pimpbot> Title: How to make a good ID in Atom [dive into mark] (at diveintomark.org)
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  146. # [18:56] <MarcoAchury> Another question: What you think about a Break-Page tag, say <BP>, to be ignored by browser when showing the page on screen, but usefull when print html documents to paper, begining each chapter on a new page? On xml code this most be included on CCS definition for main titles <h1> or <h0> but on tag-soup schemes included on the text, just like printer codes was included on old text files. Do you think so think may be reasonable?
  147. # [18:57] <MarcoAchury> Had SGML something like this?
  148. # [18:57] <Philip> MarcoAchury: Sounds like a job for http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/page.html#page-breaks
  149. # [18:58] <pimpbot> Title: Paged media (at www.w3.org)
  150. # [18:59] <MarcoAchury> Thank you
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