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  23. # [02:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Define how history.back() works in a manner compatible with what IE does. (whatwg r3359) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0022.html>
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  27. # [03:46] <pimpbot> planet: Planet Additions: Class of 7/6/2009 <http://blog.mozilla.com/planet/2009/07/06/planet-additions-class-of-762009/>
  28. # [03:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: websocket: Mention the security model in the intro, allow timeouts in connection, be explicit about UTF-8 errors, and some editorial fixes. (whatwg r3360) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0023.html>
  29. # [04:32] <karl> MikeSmith: I updated the table to take into account your comments http://www.la-grange.net/2009/07/05/html5-xhtml5/
  30. # [04:32] <pimpbot> Title: HTML 5 and XHTML 5 - one vocabulary, two serializations (at www.la-grange.net)
  31. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> karl: just looked
  32. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> looks great
  33. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> karl: lang is allowed in XHTML documents too
  34. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> along with xml:lang
  35. # [04:54] <MikeSmith> polyglot docs must have both lang and xml:lang, with the same value
  36. # [04:54] <MikeSmith> and <meta charset="utf-8"> is allowed in XHTML documents also
  37. # [04:55] <MikeSmith> but only if the value is "utf-8", and only if the document is actually encoded in UTF-8
  38. # [04:56] <MikeSmith> as far a Unicode characters, the HTML syntax disallows U+0000 characters, "permanently undefined Unicode characters", and any control characters other than space characters
  39. # [04:57] <MikeSmith> where "space characters" is U+0020 SPACE, U+0009 CHARACTER TABULATION (tab), U+000A LINE FEED (LF), U+000C FORM FEED (FF), U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR)
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  41. # [05:47] <pimpbot> planet: Debating Ogg Theora and H.264 <http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2009/07/06/debating-ogg-theora-and-h-264/> ** Slashdot: Examining the HTML 5 Video Codec Debate <http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/jLtbILjvQmw/Examining-the-HTML-5-Video-Codec-Debate> ** An Unofficial Q&A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/>
  42. # [05:55] <gavin> hsivonen: "features that have never been in the HTML 5 spec of that have been spun off of it"
  43. # [05:55] <gavin> s/of/or/
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  48. # [06:15] <Hixie> hsivonen: while you're fixing gavin's comment, s/off of/off/ -- you never need to say "off of" in English
  49. # [06:21] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Mention explicit what happens in case of failure during WebSocket creation. (whatwg r3364) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0028.html> ** hixie: Make send() not fire an exception if called after the connection has closed. (whatwg r3363) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0027.html> ** hixie: Remove confusing non-normative text. (whatwg r3362) <http://lists.w3.org/Arch
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  51. # [06:51] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: ack for last websocket checkin (whatwg r3366) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0031.html> ** "hixie: Rename disconnect() to close() for consistency with the event names. (whatwg r3365)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0030.html>
  52. # [07:28] <MikeSmith> http://github.com/guides/providing-your-ssh-key
  53. # [07:28] <pimpbot> Title: Providing your SSH Key - Guides - GitHub (at github.com)
  54. # [07:36] <MikeSmith> karl: I think "self-closing tag" is clearer than "empty-element syntax"
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  57. # [08:21] <hsivonen> gavin, Hixie: fixed. thanks
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  59. # [08:47] <pimpbot> planet: <div>An Unofficial Q&amp;A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG</div> <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/>
  60. # [09:25] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: I notice you mentioned in http://blog.mozilla.com/planet/2009/07/06/planet-additions-class-of-762009/
  61. # [09:25] <pimpbot> Title: Planet Mozilla Blog Blog Archive Planet Additions: Class of 7/6/2009 (at blog.mozilla.com)
  62. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> I guess that's just saying that you've been added to the Planet Mozilla aggregation?
  63. # [09:28] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: yes
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  65. # [09:48] <pimpbot> planet: (R)evolution Number 5 <http://blog.mozilla.com/standards/2009/07/02/revolution-number-5/>
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  70. # [10:48] <pimpbot> planet: Open Web Tools Directory <http://benzilla.galbraiths.org/2009/07/07/open-web-tools-directory/>
  71. # [10:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clarify the encoding aliases mess. (whatwg r3368) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0032.html>
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  80. # [12:24] <MikeSmith> krijnh! where are you in our hour of need?
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  82. # [12:25] <MikeSmith> krijnh: Eli Eli lama sabachthani?
  83. # [12:25] <MikeSmith> pape pape allepe
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  85. # [12:26] <MikeSmith> jgraham: did my ramblings in reply to your Eric Idle proposal come through on your end?
  86. # [12:26] <krijnh> MikeSmith: what's that language?
  87. # [12:27] <MikeSmith> krijnh: angel language
  88. # [12:27] <Dashiva> Armenian?
  89. # [12:27] <MikeSmith> and some devil language
  90. # [12:27] <krijnh> You know you can't count on me, right? :)
  91. # [12:27] <MikeSmith> heh
  92. # [12:27] <Philip> I thought angels spoke English, how will I understand them in the afterlife otherwise?
  93. # [12:28] <MikeSmith> krijnh: I still count on you. I have faith in you
  94. # [12:28] <Dashiva> You'll spend a few aeons learning angel language first
  95. # [12:29] <jgraham> MikeSmith: No
  96. # [12:29] <MikeSmith> hmm, what I said was pretty stupid anyway, so that's probably before the best
  97. # [12:30] <Philip> Dashiva: That doesn't sound like any fun at all
  98. # [12:31] <MikeSmith> Dashiva, Philip - did several lines of babble beginning with me saying, "I would love more comedy" happen to show up in your IRC viewing appliances?
  99. # [12:31] <Philip> MikeSmith: Yes
  100. # [12:31] <MikeSmith> damn
  101. # [12:32] <krijnh> Yay, my computer hangs when listing the directory containing the logfiles
  102. # [12:32] <Philip> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_Jesus_on_the_cross#I_thirst - how about the saying simply representing the fact that he was quite thirsty at that moment?
  103. # [12:32] <pimpbot> Title: Sayings of Jesus on the cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
  104. # [12:32] <Philip> I guess the Biblical scholars never thought of that
  105. # [12:34] <MikeSmith> Philip: I see in that statement you're still making good use of the implied scare quotes
  106. # [12:35] <MikeSmith> I'm really hoping the implied-scare-quotes trend is going to catch on
  107. # [12:39] <Dashiva> Most people aren't clever enough to imply them in the right spot
  108. # [12:39] <Philip> There's not much interoperability between readers
  109. # [12:39] <Dashiva> We might need a spec for these scare quotes
  110. # [12:41] * karl thinks about "L'alcool conserve les fruits, la fumée les chairs." - Serge Gainsbourg
  111. # [12:44] <karl> could we have images with the quotes ?
  112. # [12:44] <karl> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajourneyroundmyskull/3695811587/sizes/l/
  113. # [12:44] <pimpbot> Title: Flickr Photo Download: Der Orchideengarten, 1919, German magazine cover (at www.flickr.com)
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  115. # [12:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7059] [blocked on xpathwg] Forking XPath <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0024.html>
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  133. # [14:49] <pimpbot> planet: Which browser has the best support for HTML 5 currently? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/150577/which-browser-has-the-best-support-for-html-5-currently>
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  141. # [15:49] <pimpbot> planet: about:mozilla – accessibility projects, SFX rewards, triage team, testdays, hacks, t-shirts, and more… <http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2009/07/07/aboutmozilla-accessibility-projects-sfx-rewards-triage-team-testdays-hacks-t-shirts-and-more/> ** <div>An Unofficial Q&amp;A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG</div> <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/>
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  148. # [16:50] <pimpbot> planet: libre.fm and the <audio/> tag <http://blog.mozbox.org/post/2009/07/07/librefm-and-the-audio/-tag>
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  156. # [17:50] <pimpbot> planet: An Unofficial Q&A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/>
  157. # [17:56] <Lachy> pimpbot, why do you keep linking to that same article repeatedly?
  158. # [17:56] <pimpbot> Lachy: Huh?
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  166. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> Lachy: because hsivonen is updating it
  167. # [18:24] <Philip> pimpbot, how come you didn't say the <div> and &amp; on that last time?
  168. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Philip: Huh?
  169. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> pimpbot is kind of a snitch
  170. # [18:29] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Huh?
  171. # [18:50] <pimpbot> planet: <div>An Unofficial Q&amp;A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG</div> <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/> ** Gmail for Mobile HTML5 Series: Using Timers Effectively <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/iPMCyBSNo6U/gmail-for-mobile-html5-series-using.html>
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  173. # [18:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7086] New: <a> should be </a> in section 4.5.3 of the HTML5 specification <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0026.html>
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  180. # [19:50] <pimpbot> planet: An Unofficial Q&A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/>
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  182. # [19:52] <MikeSmith> http://blog.halindrome.com/2009/07/w3c-you-ignorant-slut.html
  183. # [19:52] <pimpbot> Title: Xyzzy. Nothing Happens.: W3C, you ignorant slut! (at blog.halindrome.com)
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  189. # [20:21] <Hixie> MikeSmith: i didn't mean it as comedy or as a hook for a permathread... i really don't understand sam's rules for when things are on topic or off topic
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  202. # [21:32] <karl> hmmm Shane is angry
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  204. # [21:34] <karl> the other post is milder
  205. # [21:34] <karl> http://blog.worklifecreativity.net/2009/07/work-and-life-vs-creativity/
  206. # [21:34] <pimpbot> Title: work.life.creativity. Blog Archive Work and Life vs. Creativity (at blog.worklifecreativity.net)
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  209. # [21:51] <pimpbot> planet: <div>An Unofficial Q&amp;A about the Discontinuation of the XHTML2 WG</div> <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/>
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  211. # [22:06] * Philip wonders if karl is meaning that that post is milder than http://blog.halindrome.com/2009/07/w3c-you-ignorant-slut.html
  212. # [22:06] <pimpbot> Title: Xyzzy. Nothing Happens.: W3C, you ignorant slut! (at blog.halindrome.com)
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  227. # [23:04] <karl> Philip: yes
  228. # [23:04] <karl> same person
  229. # [23:19] <Dashiva> Wow, that xyzzy blog guy doesn't seem to get it
  230. # [23:23] <karl> Dashiva: this guy is Shane P. McCarron, editor of some XHTML specs. So I guess he gets it, but he disagrees with the decision and he is angry.
  231. # [23:23] <karl> I have to go
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  233. # [23:24] <Dashiva> "Well, guess what? It is hard." isn't exactly the attitude you'd expect from someone who understands what universal participation is about
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  236. # [23:51] <pimpbot> planet: Ogg Theora, H.264 and the HTML 5 Browser Squabble <http://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/8z38a/ogg_theora_h264_and_the_html_5_browser_squabble/>
  237. # [23:55] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Apparently some people think 'between' includes the end points. (whatwg r3369) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0033.html>
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