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  6. # [00:14] <pimpbot> changes: "hixie: Try changing styles to make tables wrap better in print version. (whatwg r3420)" (6 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0119.html> ** hixie: Update abstract for Web Storage. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0113.html>
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  13. # [00:44] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: ack for last checkin (whatwg r3422) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0121.html> ** hixie: Give <span> its own interface. (whatwg r3421) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0120.html>
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  41. # [03:15] <pimpbot> changes: "hixie: Clarify that only uncaught errors are reported. (whatwg r3423)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0123.html>
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  50. # [04:41] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 drag and drop in Firefox 3.5 <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/>
  51. # [04:45] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Somehow these got missed when changing EventListener to Function a while back. (whatwg r3425) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0124.html>
  52. # [05:42] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 drag and drop in Firefox 3.5 <http://decafbad.com/blog/2009/07/15/html5-drag-and-drop>
  53. # [06:16] <pimpbot> changes: "hixie: Make 'dependencies' its own top-level section, like in the other specs. (whatwg r3426)" (5 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0129.html>
  54. # [06:24] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6953
  55. # [06:24] <pimpbot> 6953: mike@w3.org, P2, RESOLVED INVALID, clearly specify that misnested tags are an authoring-conformance error
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  67. # [09:47] <pimpbot> changes: "hixie: Uglify the spec for zcorpan. (whatwg r3427)" (6 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0135.html>
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  69. # [10:14] <MikeSmith> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=47485
  70. # [10:14] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 47485 HTML5 Websocket implementation (at issues.apache.org)
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  72. # [10:16] <MikeSmith> Hixie: about r3427, seems like one thing that you could to to make those heads more compact and the table less wide is to use the attribute names there instead of the state names
  73. # [10:16] <MikeSmith> and you could still have them be links back to the state names
  74. # [10:23] <Hixie> true
  75. # [10:25] <MikeSmith> not saying it's necessarily worth the trouble, but if that change doesn't fix the PDF problem that Simon reported, may be would be worth it
  76. # [10:27] <Hixie> yeah
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  82. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/07/14/Web-Curriculum
  83. # [11:55] <pimpbot> Title: ongoing The Web Curriculum (at www.tbray.org)
  84. # [11:56] <MikeSmith> "Web 210/310/410: Data Structures and Algorithms: ... use of a Document Object Model implementation as a teaching aid"
  85. # [11:57] <takkaria> pretty masochistic, really
  86. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> heh
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  92. # [12:26] <hsivonen> I guess the DOM could be used as a teaching aid for illustrating pitfalls of cross-language API design
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  104. # [14:44] <pimpbot> planet: HTML 5 is a mess <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/html-5-is-a-mess/>
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  125. # [18:03] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, this will be html
  126. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, ChrisWilson; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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  128. # [18:03] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  129. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  130. # [18:04] <ChrisWilson> zakim, microsoft is me
  131. # [18:04] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  132. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian
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  135. # [18:05] * gsnedders was going to phone in from home… guess that isn't gonna happen
  136. # [18:06] <Julian> gsnedders, why don't you phone in from wherever you are?
  137. # [18:06] <gsnedders> Julian: I don't think the other people in my office would like it, and I don't have a phone :)
  138. # [18:07] <gsnedders> (Well, I have a British mobile, but I hate to think how much that costs to use whatsoeber)
  139. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P11
  140. # [18:07] <johndrinkwater> Zakim, I am ??P11
  141. # [18:07] <Zakim> +johndrinkwater; got it
  142. # [18:07] <tinkster> gsnedders: if you phone the bridge in Bristol it's not too pricey.
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  144. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P19
  145. # [18:07] <gsnedders> tinkster: It is, because I am not in Britain.
  146. # [18:08] <tinkster> Ah. Got it.
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  148. # [18:08] <ChrisWilson> zakim, who is on the phone?
  149. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see ChrisWilson, Julian, Murray_Maloney, Laura_Carlson, johndrinkwater, ??P19
  150. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, P19 is Rob from Intel
  151. # [18:09] <Zakim> I don't understand 'P19 is Rob from Intel', ChrisWilson
  152. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Zakim, ??P19 is Rob from Intel
  153. # [18:09] <Zakim> I don't understand '??P19 is Rob from Intel', ChrisWilson
  154. # [18:09] <ChrisWilson> Any action items to add to the agenda?
  155. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> scribe: ChrisWilson
  156. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> scribenick: ChrisWilson
  157. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> chair:ChrisWilson
  158. # [18:11] <ChrisWilson> Action-127?
  159. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-127
  160. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Chris Wilson to wilson +3 weeks establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due 2009-06-25 -- OPEN
  161. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/127
  162. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-127 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  163. # [18:12] <ChrisWilson> moving out 127 by 2 weeks...
  164. # [18:13] <ChrisWilson> action-128?
  165. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-128
  166. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-128 -- Joshue O Connor to draft @summary voting text in conjunction with PF -- due 2009-07-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  167. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/128
  168. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-128 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  171. # [18:15] <ChrisWilson> Laura: Josh was going to propose text, but we haven't seen it?
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  173. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Masinter
  174. # [18:16] <ChrisWilson> CW: reopened action-128
  175. # [18:17] <Zakim> -johndrinkwater
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  178. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> action-108?
  179. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-108
  180. # [18:17] <trackbot> ACTION-108 -- Larry Masinter to report back on the TAG's work on versioning wrt HTML -- due 2009-07-23 -- OPEN
  181. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/108
  182. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-108 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  183. # [18:17] <ChrisWilson> LM: was expecting new document, but don't have it yet.
  184. # [18:18] <ChrisWilson> LM: should push these back three weeks, post IETF.
  185. # [18:18] <ChrisWilson> LM: on uri draft: on Sunday, released updated version of the IRI document including hrefs; could be referenced by the HTML5 spec. Want WG to review that.
  186. # [18:19] <ChrisWilson> LM: this is a draft toward a generically useful reference
  187. # [18:19] <Julian> +1
  188. # [18:19] <Julian> +q
  189. # [18:19] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  190. # [18:19] <Zakim> +??P7
  191. # [18:19] <johndrinkwater> Zakim, I am ??P7
  192. # [18:19] <Zakim> +johndrinkwater; got it
  193. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> Zakim, please call Mike-Mobile
  194. # [18:19] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  195. # [18:20] <Zakim> +Mike
  196. # [18:20] <ChrisWilson> LM: on codec issue, what happens when a better one comes along?
  197. # [18:21] <ChrisWilson> LM: we should address the extensibility issue
  198. # [18:23] <ChrisWilson> Rob: what if we had Ogg OR H.264 required?
  199. # [18:23] <ChrisWilson> CW: that's what I suggested in email last night...
  200. # [18:24] <ChrisWilson> Rob: With H.264 in hardware, it might well be necessary/expected to support anyway...
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  203. # [18:24] <ChrisWilson> Larry: if the spec doesn't mandate, then providers have no idea what's available.
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  205. # [18:25] <Julian> feedback on new IRI draft -- was it considered to include the required functionality for HREF into LEIRI (which is an addition compared to RFC3987 anyway)?
  206. # [18:26] <ChrisWilson> LM: it seems like we're going down a path with no negotiation or discovery ability
  207. # [18:26] <ChrisWilson> Rob: isn't there a fallback mechanism?
  208. # [18:26] <ChrisWilson> LM: true
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  213. # [18:31] <ChrisWilson> LM: could the negotiation mechanisms apply to other areas, like object tags/imgs? This seems related to generic extensibility.
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  215. # [18:32] <Julian> q-
  216. # [18:32] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  217. # [18:35] <ChrisWilson> Julian: reiterates comments above
  218. # [18:35] <ChrisWilson> LM: it may be the differences are minimal, but not there yet
  219. # [18:37] <ChrisWilson> LM: I wanted to show it's possible to show that it's editorially possible to combine these concepts - it's a starting point
  220. # [18:37] * masinter notes http://ajaxian.com/archives/html5-video-tag-implemented-in-flash
  221. # [18:37] <pimpbot> Title: Ajaxian � HTML5 Video tag implemented in Flash (at ajaxian.com)
  222. # [18:38] <ChrisWilson> action-100?
  223. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-100
  224. # [18:38] <trackbot> ACTION-100 -- Michael(tm) Smith to add a note about issue-67 to the Status section of "HTML 5: The Markup Language" -- due 2009-05-28 -- OPEN
  225. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/100
  226. # [18:38] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-100 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> close action-100
  228. # [18:38] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-100.
  229. # [18:38] <trackbot> ACTION-100 Add a note about issue-67 to the Status section of "HTML 5: The Markup Language" closed
  230. # [18:39] <ChrisWilson> move to adjourn?
  231. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Masinter
  232. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  233. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Julian
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  235. # [18:39] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  236. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Mike
  237. # [18:39] <ChrisWilson> RRSAgent, make minutes
  238. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/16-html-wg-minutes.html ChrisWilson
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  240. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  241. # [18:40] <ChrisWilson> Hey, Mike, I can't get access to the minutes page I just had RRSAgent make...
  242. # [18:40] <Zakim> -johndrinkwater
  243. # [18:40] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  244. # [18:40] <Zakim> Attendees were ChrisWilson, Julian, Murray_Maloney, Laura_Carlson, johndrinkwater, Masinter, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly
  245. # [18:42] <johndrinkwater> think you need to say something like make logs world-access to RRSAgent
  246. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make log public
  247. # [18:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
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  254. # [18:55] <takkaria> aw, I missed the telecon again
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  261. # [19:45] <pimpbot> planet: Canvas rotate from bottom center image angle? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/365382/canvas-rotate-from-bottom-center-image-angle>
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  310. # Session Close: Fri Jul 17 00:00:00 2009

The end :)