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  6. # [00:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7152] New: "When the user agent has completely fetched of the entire media resource, […]" No 'of' and only one of 'completely' or 'entire' should remain in the text. Mentioned one week ago on the list. Taking the opportunity to try this inline review box. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0056.html>
  7. # [00:21] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: mention that scaling algorithm isn't defined (whatwg r3471) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0204.html> ** hixie: remove some authoring requirements that are redundant with IDL. (whatwg r3470) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0203.html>
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  18. # [01:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7153] New: Want standardization of .naturalWidth and .naturalHeight, which some browsers already have <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0057.html>
  19. # [01:22] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Move diagram for drawImage() up into the intro text. (whatwg r3474) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0207.html> ** hixie: Make 'input' and 'change' events bubble. (whatwg r3473) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0206.html>
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  22. # [01:48] <pimpbot> planet: jQuery, html5, append()/appendTo() and IE <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1191164/jquery-html5-append-appendto-and-ie> ** Deprecated is Now Obsolete <http://realtech.burningbird.net/deprecated-is-now-obsolete> ** Gmail for Mobile HTML5 Series: Suggestions for Better Performance <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/mLo2z6kE7qk/gmail-for-mobile-html5-series.html>
  23. # [01:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7154] New: icon attribute: We can't apply so-called "CSS Sprite" technique for command icons. We need another attribute to specify clip position and size. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0058.html>
  24. # [01:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: collect v2 feature requests for file upload (whatwg r3475) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0208.html>
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  26. # [02:22] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Minor fixups to the bezierCurveTo() intro and make arcTo() behaviour clearer by merging two paragraphs. (whatwg r3477) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0210.html> ** hixie: Change how lineTo(), arcTo(), quadraticCurveTo(), and bezierCurveTo() behave when there's not been a moveTo() call before them. (whatwg r3476) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0209.html>
  27. # [02:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typos (whatwg r3478) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0211.html>
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  29. # [03:22] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make DOMTokenList not remove duplicates. (whatwg r3479) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0212.html>
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  32. # [03:48] <pimpbot> planet: arun talks about html5, fonts and india <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/arun-standards-india/>
  33. # [04:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7153] Want standardization of .naturalWidth and .naturalHeight, which some browsers already have <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0059.html>
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  39. # [05:23] <pimpbot> changes: mike: Make DOMTokenList not remove duplicates. (whatwg r3479) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0213.html>
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  42. # [05:36] <MikeSmith> heycam: fwiw, I tweaked the splitter so that it uses Hixie's latest commit message instead of "updated by splitter"
  43. # [05:37] <heycam> MikeSmith, cool
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  45. # [05:49] <pimpbot> planet: Mozilla Project Meeting Minutes: 2009-07-27 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/204> ** Jonny Axelsson: Can HTML5 make accessibility usable? <http://my.opera.com/jax/blog/show.dml/4174328>
  46. # [05:53] <pimpbot> changes: "mike: Make DOMTokenList not remove duplicates. (whatwg r3479)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Jul/0214.html>
  47. # [06:18] <karl> http://getsatisfaction.com/w3c/products/w3c_html5
  48. # [06:18] <pimpbot> Title: Recently active topics in World Wide Web Consortium about html5 (at getsatisfaction.com)
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  65. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-July/021421.html
  66. # [10:35] <pimpbot> Title: [whatwg] Installed Apps (at lists.whatwg.org)
  67. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> [[
  68. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> ability to have a hidden HTML/JS page running
  69. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> in the background that can access the DOM of visible windows. This
  70. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> page should be accessible from windows that the user navigates to. We
  71. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> call this background Javascript window a "shared context" or a
  72. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> "background page".
  73. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> ]]
  74. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> [[
  75. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> we'd like this background page to continue to run after
  76. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> the user has navigated away from the site, and preferably after the
  77. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> user has closed the browser. This will enable us to keep client-side
  78. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> data up-to-date on the user's machine. It will also enable us to
  79. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> download JS in advance. When the user navigates to a web app, all the
  80. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> background page has to do is draw the DOM in the visible window.
  81. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> ]]
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  83. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/extensions/background-pages
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  91. # [11:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7157] New: I would like to see theora/vorbis as HTML5 standard. I'm tired of codec patents. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0061.html> ** [Bug 7156] New: I would like to see theora/vorbis as HTML5 standard. I'm tired of codec patents. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0060.html>
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  95. # [12:33] <takkaria> MikeSmith: hmm, web OS indeed
  96. # [12:34] <anne2> why does <!DOCTYPE html "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> trigger quirks mode in most browsers but not HTML5?
  97. # [13:08] <anne2> aah, most browsers require the PUBLIC keyword
  98. # [13:08] <anne2> and it seems it should trigger quirks mode in HTML5 too
  99. # [13:09] <anne2> but does not in validator.nu?
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  101. # [13:19] <Lachy> anne2, in the After DOCTYPE name state, it says for when the doctype doesn't have PUBLIC or SYSTEM: "Otherwise, this is the parse error. Set the DOCTYPE token's force-quirks flag to on. Switch to the bogus DOCTYPE state."
  102. # [13:19] <Lachy> so, AFAICT, that DOCTYPE should trigger quirks mode
  103. # [13:21] <Lachy> and validator.nu seems to complain about it appropriately too
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  105. # [13:51] <pimpbot> planet: CSS Gradients for All! <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/KTAvr0N2h2M/css-gradients-for-all>
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  108. # [14:53] <MikeSmith> takkaria: Web OS indeed
  109. # [14:54] <MikeSmith> ?
  110. # [14:55] <anne2> did you miss the Chrome OS announcement?
  111. # [14:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7158] New: this is a discribing comment <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0062.html>
  112. # [14:55] <MikeSmith> today? yesterday?
  113. # [15:05] <MikeSmith> ah, I guess takkaria was referring to the background-pages thing
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  116. # [15:59] <gsnedders|work> MikeSmith: yt?
  117. # [15:59] <MikeSmith> yeah
  118. # [16:01] <Dashiva> It's too bad "I'm tired of codec patents" isn't a strong enough argument to change the world
  119. # [16:05] <Lachy> what does "this is a discribing comment" from bug 7158 mean?
  120. # [16:05] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7158 contributor@whatwg.org, P3, NEW, this is a discribing comment
  121. # [16:06] <Lachy> Dashiva, where did you quote that from?
  122. # [16:07] <gsnedders|work> Lachy: Bugzilla
  123. # [16:07] <gsnedders|work> (W3C Bugzilla, that is)
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  125. # [16:08] <Lachy> yay, I love how people are using the new anonymous comment feature to annoy us with requests for substantial changes without any supporting arguments
  126. # [16:09] <gsnedders|work> Lachy: Welcome to the inevitable side-effect of lowering the barrier for entry for submitting comments
  127. # [16:11] <Lachy> ironically, we still have people complaining that the barrier to entry is too hight
  128. # [16:11] <Lachy> s/hight/high/
  129. # [16:13] <gsnedders|work> I'm not sure I can quite crawl over it
  130. # [16:20] <rubys> ability to comment on the spec should simply forward people to bugzilla, ideally with some fields filled in.
  131. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> problem with that is, they need to set up an account to actually be able to submit the bug
  132. # [16:22] <anne2> or maybe a small confirm dialog the first time you do it
  133. # [16:22] <rubys> "need to set up an account" => that's a problem?
  134. # [16:23] <anne2> I believe sending an email was
  135. # [16:24] * DanC has no interest in anonymous comments
  136. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> I don't think needing to set up an account is a big problem, but I don't think the current thing is a big problem either
  137. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> not yet at least
  138. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> it could become a spam problem
  139. # [16:25] <MikeSmith> but anyway I already changed the mail settings such that new bugs no longer generate a notification to public-html@w3.org
  140. # [16:25] <anne2> yeah, we should probably give it a few weeks
  141. # [16:25] * rubys liked the notification :-(
  142. # [16:26] * DanC too
  143. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> you can cause a notification for a particular bug to go the to list by putting "NE" into the Keywords field for the bug
  144. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> NE = non-editorial
  145. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> or actually, putting any keyword into the field
  146. # [16:27] <DanC> ok... i'll trust that Somebody will do that.
  147. # [16:27] <MikeSmith> I will, if nobody else does
  148. # [16:27] <DanC> I'm happy to not get notified about editorial bugs
  149. # [16:28] <MikeSmith> I get notifications for all new bugs anyway, and read them all. so I deal with adding the NE thing
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  151. # [16:32] <Lachy> MikeSmith, does that only affect bugs from contributor@whatwg.org, or all bugs?
  152. # [16:33] <Lachy> rubys, DanC, if you want bug notifications, subscribe to public-html-bugzilla. That's what it's for
  153. # [16:34] <DanC> that seems to get more than notices of new bugs
  154. # [16:34] <Lachy> public-html often gets more than just new bug notices too, though I'm not sure why
  155. # [16:35] <DanC> how does one discover public-html-bugzilla? I don't see a path from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  156. # [16:35] <pimpbot> Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  157. # [16:38] <anne2> Lachy, it also gets email when a bug is resolved somehow
  158. # [16:39] <anne2> (well, before MikeSmith changed settings)
  159. # [16:39] <anne2> DanC, lists.w3.org/Public ? :)
  160. # [16:39] <anne2> oops /Archives/Public
  161. # [16:43] <MikeSmith> Lachy: it affects bugs regardless of who submits them. bugzilla doesn't provide any way to filter notifications based on submittor
  162. # [16:43] <Lachy> Yay! :-)
  163. # [16:43] <Lachy> I've wanted you to do that for a long time :-)
  164. # [16:44] <MikeSmith> Lachy: that's why I did it -- as a personal favor to you. So now you owe me.
  165. # [16:51] <pimpbot> planet: One Table in a Thousand <http://realtech.burningbird.net/one-table-thousand>
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  169. # [17:15] <Dashiva> I see Shelley is up to her old tricks
  170. # [17:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7138] Need to get window.mediaMode into another spec <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Jul/0063.html>
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  173. # [17:52] <pimpbot> planet: Which browsers support html5 offline storage? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1194784/which-browsers-support-html5-offline-storage>
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  179. # [18:36] <DanC> action-128: looks like josh proposes to withdraw. <http://www.w3.org/mid/4A6DA3A5.3090406@cfit.ie>
  180. # [18:36] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-128.
  181. # [18:36] <trackbot> ACTION-128 Draft @summary voting (Straw poll) text in conjunction with PF notes added
  182. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Fwd: Draft of summary text for HTML 5 poll from Joshue O Connor on 2009-07-27 (public-html@w3.org from July 2009) (at www.w3.org)
  183. # [18:36] <DanC> action-128 due 27 Jul 2009
  184. # [18:36] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-128.
  185. # [18:36] <trackbot> ACTION-128 Draft @summary voting (Straw poll) text in conjunction with PF due date now 27 Jul 2009
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  198. # [21:14] * anne2 wonders if anyone has any thoughts as to what the publication date will be?
  199. # [21:14] * anne2 wants to schedule working html5-diff somewhere
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  202. # [21:17] <Hixie> It'll be whenever you're ready, I expect.
  203. # [21:17] <Hixie> takes about 30 minutes tops for me to update the header
  204. # [21:19] <anne2> guess i'll do it the day of the call
  205. # [21:20] <anne2> hopefully it doesn't take >4h this time around
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