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  40. # [07:28] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clarify that drawImage() with negative dimensions is no different than with positive dimensions. (whatwg r3535) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0037.html>
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  57. # [11:55] <pimpbot> planet: 9elements - HTML5 Canvas Experiment <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/08/9elements-html5-canvas-experiment/>
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  60. # [12:15] <grant> Does anyone know if Googlebot can read xhtml served as application/xhtml+xml?
  61. # [12:16] <gsnedders|work> It sort of can.
  62. # [12:16] <grant> As pure xml, no stupid spaces between the attributes and closing /
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  64. # [12:17] <grant> sort of?
  65. # [12:17] <grant> like html quirks mode?
  66. # [12:17] <gsnedders|work> It treats it using it's generic XML handling, IIRC
  67. # [12:17] <grant> ah
  68. # [12:17] <gsnedders|work> *its
  69. # [12:18] <grant> Will IE ever support application/xhtml+xml?
  70. # [12:18] <gsnedders|work> I doubt it has a quirks mode, as there is only one diff. in quirks in HTML parsing
  71. # [12:18] <gsnedders|work> grant: They've said they will support it in the future, but that they have higher priority things to work on now
  72. # [12:18] <Dashiva> grant: It's basically a staring contest between IE implementing and everyone giving up on XHTML in general. ;)
  73. # [12:19] <grant> I had to add some php to give an html 3.2 doc to users who support only html to parts of my site :(
  74. # [12:19] <grant> sucks
  75. # [12:20] * grant puts the link http://grantgalitz.com/index.xhtml for those curious
  76. # [12:20] <pimpbot> Title: Grant Galitz - Main Page (at grantgalitz.com)
  77. # [12:21] <gsnedders|work> Why does that need to be XHTML? Why not use HTML?
  78. # [12:21] <Dashiva> That page is evil
  79. # [12:21] <Dashiva> It's all... wobbly
  80. # [12:21] <grant> I use PHP::XMLWriter
  81. # [12:22] <gsnedders|work> What do you gain by using XMLWriter?
  82. # [12:22] <grant> I wanted to make it easier for myself.
  83. # [12:22] <grant> it was
  84. # [12:23] <grant> DOM in php is iffy for html
  85. # [12:23] <Dashiva> Well, at least you're using XML tools instead of trying to echo() XML. That's a plus.
  86. # [12:23] <gsnedders|work> XMLWriter is so buggy it's more or less useless though
  87. # [12:23] <gsnedders|work> I think I've found bugs in more or less every function of it
  88. # [12:24] <grant> Almost no comments left in the manual
  89. # [12:24] <grant> for xmlwriter
  90. # [12:24] <gsnedders|work> (PHP devs say they aren't PHP bugs, report on libxml2, libxml2 devs say applications should only pass valid UTF-8 strings, so PHP should sanitize)
  91. # [12:25] <grant> Well, it works right in FF, opera, and webkit browsers
  92. # [12:25] <grant> but webkit seems to have this javascript bug
  93. # [12:26] <grant> when modifying margins and padding of div tags by js
  94. # [12:26] <grant> webkit doesn't re-render right, as it doesn't resize after the margins/paddings have been made smaller
  95. # [12:27] <grant> for at least my site personally, so I had to stop it browser-specifically. :(
  96. # [12:28] <grant> gsnedders: What do you think about webkit's bug?
  97. # [12:28] <Philip> As far as I'm aware, Googlebot uses its HTML parser for application/xhtml+xml pages
  98. # [12:29] * jgraham had the same awareness as Philip
  99. # [12:29] * gsnedders|work feigns total ignorance
  100. # [12:29] * grant forgot to mention the webkit bug starts when the div tags are allowed more 'room' by smaller margins/paddings after being shrunk by higher values of the same previously on the same page instance.
  101. # [12:31] <grant> thanks
  102. # [12:31] <grant> bye
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  105. # [12:49] <MikeSmith> bug 7211
  106. # [12:49] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7211 mike@w3.org, P2, NEW, define "positive integer" and use it consistently, instead of "non-negative integer greater than zero"
  107. # [12:49] <MikeSmith> anne: ↑
  108. # [12:50] <Dashiva> MikeSmith: It used to be that, but it was changed for clarity
  109. # [12:50] <Dashiva> How about just "integer greater than zero" instead?
  110. # [12:51] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: I don't feel strongly about it either way. Just filed the bug because I was thinking about it, and it's worthwhile to have a resolution on record for it for the next time someone asks.
  111. # [12:52] <Dashiva> Fair enough
  112. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> that said, there are a couple place in the spec that use the term "positive integer"
  113. # [12:55] <annevk> it does not really matter what it is called
  114. # [12:55] <annevk> what matters is that we're not introducing new datatypes in the body of the spec
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  117. # [13:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7211] define "positive integer" and use it consistently, instead of "non-negative integer greater than zero" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0012.html> ** [Bug 7211] New: define "positive integer" and use it consistently, instead of "non-negative integer greater than zero" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0011.html>
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  119. # [13:39] <jgraham> Is Murray's recent email considered an acceptable level of discourse for public-html?
  120. # [13:39] <jgraham> Oh I see Sam just replied to say it's not. Good
  121. # [13:43] <annevk> I have to admit I sometimes thought of saying "blah blah blah blah" but then decided not to :)
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  155. # [17:35] <takkaria> christ, process spam has once again make public-html entirely unreadable
  156. # [17:35] <takkaria> someone should fix that
  157. # [17:36] <Philip> At least Twitter spam is quick to identify and ignore
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  159. # [17:44] <takkaria> public-html is also easy to identify and eay to ignore. :)
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  161. # [18:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7213] New: todataurl <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0013.html>
  162. # [18:01] <pimpbot> changes: "mike: made a number of changes to documentation for datatypes" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0039.html>
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  175. # [20:00] <webben> rubys: " is ultimately reflected
  176. # [20:00] <webben> sorry
  177. # [20:03] <webben> rubys: It might be helpful if you asked you and your colleagues on HTML WG clearly distinguished between WCAG 2 (W3C Rec) and WAI Notes.
  178. # [20:03] <webben> s/you asked//
  179. # [20:04] <webben> Just for example, in your latest email "is ultimately reflected (later) in a subsequent edition of WCAG"
  180. # [20:04] <webben> WCAG 2 (the Rec) was specifically designed to be technology-independent.
  181. # [20:04] <webben> Its language and requirements apply equally to HTML4, HTML5, Flash, Silverlight etc.
  182. # [20:05] <webben> (AFAICT all the methods proposed for summaries - both @summary and the 5 in Hixie's draft - meet WCAG2's conformance requirements.
  183. # [20:06] <webben> WCAG2 Techniques are technology-specific and advisory only.
  184. # [20:06] <webben> As Hixie says, the existing techniques are designed for HTML4/XHTML1 although there are now some even more drafty techniques for WAI-ARIA.
  185. # [20:07] <webben> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/aria.html
  186. # [20:07] <pimpbot> Title: ARIA Techniques | Techniques for WCAG 2.0 (at www.w3.org)
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  188. # [20:08] <webben> It's a very different point to say (for example) W3C Recommendations should not conflict than to say W3C Recommendations and WG Notes should not conflict.
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  193. # [20:35] <rubys> webben: ok
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  210. # [23:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7213] todataurl <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0014.html>
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