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  4. # [00:01] <rubys> Hi Adrian!
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  17. # [00:46] <Hixie> only 79 references to go
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  20. # [00:48] * Philip hopes the list of warnings in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/stdout.txt will become nicely short
  21. # [00:55] <Hixie> 70 to go
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  23. # [01:00] <Hixie> 37 to go. The RFCs were all perfect, woo!
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  43. # [03:08] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Add references. Define MIME type. Define valid MIME type. (whatwg r3580) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0100.html>
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  46. # [04:09] <pimpbot> changes: "hixie: Update references in all the specs I'm working on. (whatwg r3581)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0102.html>
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  90. # [14:46] <rubys> looking for any last comments before I request a poll: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wd08/
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  92. # [14:48] <anne> looks fine
  93. # [14:49] <gsnedders> +1
  94. # [14:52] <Lachy_> rubys, do we get to answer as individuals, or only one vote per member organsiation or invited expert?
  95. # [14:52] <rubys> as individuals
  96. # [14:52] <rubys> if it were a vote, as I understand it, invited experts only get to participate through the member organization that invited them.
  97. # [14:53] <Lachy_> what?
  98. # [14:53] <rubys> a process that wouldn't exactly work very well here, as we don't exactly track that.
  99. # [14:53] <jgraham> rubys: Pretty sure that doesn't apply in HTMLWG
  100. # [14:53] <gsnedders> Lachy_: Is the "or invited expert" not redundant there? How can an invited expert not be an individual
  101. # [14:53] <gsnedders> Lachy_: vote != poll
  102. # [14:53] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies#Votes
  103. # [14:53] <pimpbot> Title: 3 General Policies for W3C Groups (at www.w3.org)
  104. # [14:53] <jgraham> Since we have had votes (one vote per organisation) before
  105. # [14:54] <rubys> that's why I'm insisting this be a poll
  106. # [14:54] <Lachy_> gsnedders, I wanted to make sure it was clear the vote wasn't limited to just member organisations
  107. # [14:54] <gsnedders> rubys: "Unless the charter states otherwise, Invited Experts MAY vote."
  108. # [14:55] <Lachy_> so the Invited Experts of Public Invited Experts really get one vote no matter what. But people like us who are part of a member organisation sometimes have to let our rep (Anne in our case) vote for us
  109. # [14:55] <rubys> "Each organization represented in the group MUST have at most one vote, even when the organization is represented by several participants in the group (including Invited Experts)"
  110. # [14:55] <gsnedders> rubys: The only diff between polls and votes is we are required to have quorum and that each member only/team has only one vote
  111. # [14:56] <gsnedders> rubys: That's if an Invited Expert is employed by a member, AFIAK
  112. # [14:56] <jgraham> Public Invited Expert != Invited expert in this case
  113. # [14:56] <rubys> ok, in any case, I don't want to go there.
  114. # [14:56] <gsnedders> rubys: So if a Invited Expert is representing a member organization. It isn't relevant otherwise.
  115. # [14:57] <rubys> anybody object to allowing everybody to participate as individuals?
  116. # [14:58] <Lachy_> rubys, I don't object. Though it doesn't bother me too much
  117. # [14:58] <jgraham> rubys: No. It is better
  118. # [14:59] <Lachy_> gsnedders, an Invited Expert can't be employed by a Member organisation, because if they are, they can't be an Invited Expert
  119. # [14:59] <gsnedders> Lachy_: But they can represent a member
  120. # [15:00] <rubys> ah, that explains it.
  121. # [15:00] <Lachy_> gsnedders, yes, like you now represent Opera, but you are no longer classed as an Invited Expert
  122. # [15:00] <gsnedders> Lachy_: It doesn't cover me at all
  123. # [15:00] <Lachy_> gsnedders, what doesn't?
  124. # [15:00] <gsnedders> Lachy_: There are some odd cases where you manage to both be an Invited Expert and a rep of a Member
  125. # [15:01] <gsnedders> (at once)
  126. # [15:01] <Lachy_> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=40318&public=1 lists you as representing Opera, not as an Invited Expert
  127. # [15:01] <pimpbot> Title: Participants in the HTML Working Group - DBWG, the Working Groups Database (at www.w3.org)
  128. # [15:01] <gsnedders> Lachy_: Right, so I'm not an Invited Expert, so I'm describing doesn't apply.
  129. # [15:02] <Lachy_> gsnedders, I'm not sure what exactly you're describing
  130. # [15:02] <jgraham> MikeSmith: YT? Can we have a "Testsuite" component in bugzilla to track testsuite issues
  131. # [15:02] <gsnedders> Lachy_: That the restrictions on voting for Invited Experts apply to Invited Experts who represent a Member.
  132. # [15:03] <rubys> Lachy_: DanC (if he didn't work for W3C) could be hired as a consultant by Adobe and be both an Invited Expert and represent Adobe in this WG.
  133. # [15:03] <Lachy_> I don't think it's possible to simultaneously be an Invited Expert and represent a Member.
  134. # [15:03] <gsnedders> "The Chair MAY invite an individual with a particular expertise to participate in a Working Group. This individual MAY represent an organization in the group (e.g., if acting as a liaison with another organization)."
  135. # [15:03] <Lachy_> rubys, oh, ok
  136. # [15:03] <gsnedders> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/groups.html#invited-expert-wg
  137. # [15:03] <anne> it is
  138. # [15:03] <pimpbot> Title: 6 Working Groups, Interest Groups, and Coordination Groups (at www.w3.org)
  139. # [15:05] <MikeSmith> jgraham: OK, just added
  140. # [15:06] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Awesome
  141. # [15:07] <Philip> rubys: What if someone would not support publishing the draft linked in Q2, because it's broken and e.g. includes the databases section, but would support it after Manu fixed it?
  142. # [15:08] <rubys> follow the link on issue 2. you can provide your input in the box, but there is no guarantee that it will be accepted or acted upon. Cast your vote accordingly.
  143. # [15:08] <rubys> I would have preferred that Manu waited and had done this, but he clearly wanted to press on as is.
  144. # [15:08] <Lachy_> why doesn't Manu just fix his draft to exclude the database stuff now so that there is no confusion?
  145. # [15:10] <Lachy_> rubys, though you could just make it clear in the question that the draft excludes unintended technical differences between the two, and the poll only applies to the inclusion of the warnings
  146. # [15:10] <hsivonen> rubys: I'd have preferred to wait on Manu's draft if he'd make the choice of warnings more consistent and removed the RDFa promotional text
  147. # [15:11] <Philip> rubys: Maybe it should say something a bit more like "Do you support publishing this Editor's draft (i.e., with additional warnings), or a future revision with minor changes (please describe the required changes clearly in the comments box), as a Working Draft at this time?"
  148. # [15:11] <Philip> rubys: so it's clear that it's not just about publishing precisely the document the question links to
  149. # [15:12] <hsivonen> Philip: in that case, there should be a third option "I support iff these changes applied"
  150. # [15:12] <rubys> hsivonen: I don't think changes can be both minor and blocking
  151. # [15:13] <hsivonen> rubys: true
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  153. # [15:13] <Philip> I was thinking of "minor" in terms of complexity, not in terms of importance
  154. # [15:13] <Philip> e.g. removing the databases section is a minor change, but important
  155. # [15:14] <rubys> Philip: care to reword your suggestion to make this distinction clearer?
  156. # [15:14] <hsivonen> there's a problem though that one persons "yes iff change X applied" could remove someone else's unqualified "yes"
  157. # [15:14] <rubys> The "iff" is messy as others will not have voted on that draft
  158. # [15:14] <hsivonen> right
  159. # [15:15] <rubys> so... I'm ok with minor changes that won't change people's votes. Ian's draft, after all, is getting a handful of commits per day.
  160. # [15:15] <Philip> rubys: Maybe just remove the word "minor" (and then if someone says "I support the publishing of this draft with added warnings, as long as it changed so the warnings are all removed", which is a major change to the purpose of the document, then ignore them)
  161. # [15:16] <Philip> s/changed/is changed/
  162. # [15:16] <Philip> Maybe this is actually an irrelevant point and nobody really cares
  163. # [15:20] <rubys> I guess I'm inclined to leave the poll as is. Both are allowed to make minor changes based on feedback. If either make major changes that would invalidate the vote, I'll insist that the prior revision be what is published. Yes, but predicated on a major change that others object to will be treated as a no.
  164. # [15:20] <hsivonen> rubys: so you aren't planning on linking to a specific revision?
  165. # [15:21] <rubys> at the moment Ian's link is to a version that he can change.
  166. # [15:21] <rubys> And during the course of the week, I expect that he WILL change it.
  167. # [15:21] <hsivonen> well, I suppose it makes sense to snapshot the spec as late as possible
  168. # [15:22] <rubys> agreed, but with the plan to roll back to the a previous version if speculative or controversial changes are made that would invalidate the vote.
  169. # [15:22] <hsivonen> ok
  170. # [15:23] <hsivonen> rubys: do you have a PR plan if the result of the vote is publishing both drafts?
  171. # [15:23] <hsivonen> PR as in Public Relations--not as in Proposed Recommendation
  172. # [15:25] <rubys> to be brutally honest: I care more about the workings of the Working Group than how the external world perceives it. If you look around, you will see that others involved in this effort are quoted in the press and hold interviews... to date I've successfully avoided being involved in such.
  173. # [15:25] <hsivonen> rubys: I see.
  174. # [15:26] <rubys> if publishing two drafts makes this group more effective, than in the long run that's what matters.
  175. # [15:26] <rubys> s/than/then/
  176. # [15:28] <rubys> I guess the closest thing I would have to a PR plan is an intent to create a blog post. I hadn't thought about it as such, but it is something I would likely post.
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  182. # [15:40] <anne2> Julian, you know what's up with ietf-charsets@iana.org ?
  183. # [15:40] <Julian> Hi Anne. No, I've never had to deal with that registry/mailing list.
  184. # [15:41] <Julian> You may want to ask Björn; he's usually good at these things.
  185. # [15:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7260] New: Create testsuite for table headers association <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0100.html>
  186. # [15:42] <Julian> So what was the issue? You can't subscribe?
  187. # [15:43] <gsnedders> As far as I could tell when I tried, you can't subscribe and can't view archives.
  188. # [15:45] <anne2> Julian, there are no public archives and my subscribtion email does not return
  189. # [15:46] <Julian> ok, I just tried to subscribe as well
  190. # [15:46] <Julian> will ask where the archives are
  191. # [15:48] <Julian> there's a copy on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-charsets/, but it ends in 2004
  192. # [15:48] <Philip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-charsets/2004JanMar/ - lots of good productive discussion there
  193. # [15:48] <pimpbot> Title: ietf-charsets@w3.org from January to March 2004: by date (at lists.w3.org)
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  196. # [15:52] <anne2> Julian, yeah, I had found that already
  197. # [15:52] <anne2> Julian, ta
  198. # [15:52] <Julian> anne2, I just sent an email to apps-discuss
  199. # [15:53] <anne2> did you bcc me or am I on that list somehow?
  200. # [15:53] <anne2> bcc it seems
  201. # [15:54] <Julian> bcc
  202. # [15:55] <Julian> but it may be a good idea to subscribe to this one, it's relatively low-traffic and spans the whole IETF Apps area
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  204. # [16:39] <jgraham> rubys: I pedantically note that a.k.a. === "also known as" so "also a.k.a." doesn't make much sense
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  207. # [17:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7261] New: In the third code example, a code element is opened but a </cite> tag closes it. The opening tag should be <cite>. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0101.html>
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  210. # [17:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7260] Create testsuite for table headers association <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0102.html>
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  219. # [18:38] * Philip sees the vote is currently neck-and-neck
  220. # [18:39] <anne2> in a Dutch IRC channel I'm in someone is providing commentary
  221. # [18:43] <Philip> "Larry Masinter: I think ... the "good standing" role of "invited experts" who are not actually experts or who do not actually participate should be reevaluated." - hmm, this survey doesn't really seem the best place to suggest changing (or going against) the HTML WG charter about participation requirements
  222. # [18:46] <Lachy> the problem with Larry's comment is that not everyone who is listed as a participant is listed as such to be an active contributor. Many of those listed from Opera are listed because they need to/like to keep track of what goes on as part of their job elsewhere
  223. # [18:46] <gsnedders> And seeming it is a poll not a vote good/bad standing is meaningless
  224. # [18:47] <Lachy> yeah, and even if it were a binding vote, then it still wouldn't matter because the one vote per member rule would apply
  225. # [18:48] <gsnedders> Also, active participation not being met for good/bad standing terms means not doing the hours per charter, and the HTML WG charter explicitly says 0+
  226. # [18:48] <rubys> It is not a binding vote. I've been asked a number of times to simply make a decision so that the group can get on with life. I simply want to make an informed decision. One with more voices that the same dozen people that chime in on everything.
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  234. # [19:54] <pimpbot> planet: Extend Firefox contest, Open video, MozCamp Europe, QA Companion, Firefox performance, animated Personas, and more… <http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/2009/08/11/extend-firefox-contest-open-video-mozcamp-europe-qa-companion-firefox-performance-animated-personas-and-more/>
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  236. # [20:03] * Philip sees the vote is still neck-and-neck
  237. # [20:04] <Philip> Much more exciting than the old ones like "shall we adopt the WHATWG's spec" where almost everybody agreed
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  240. # [20:10] <Dashiva> Philip: Back then we were young and naive
  241. # [20:10] <Dashiva> We didn't realize that Hixie might actually do what he claimed he was going to
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