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  19. # [04:45] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Based on feedback about videos on links, give up on giving videos activation behaviours. Clean up some conformance criteria in the canvas lines section. (whatwg r3642) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0173.html> ** hixie: Rearrange the text-level semantics section to be in a more useful order. (whatwg r3641) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0172.html> ** "hixie: Fix mi
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  22. # [05:15] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove more XXX markers in preparation for last call. (whatwg r3644) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0175.html> ** hixie: Remove the tabular data intro section since we're going to be adding examples all the way through the section instead. (whatwg r3643) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0174.html>
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  43. # [12:17] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: A brief and vague introduction to form submission. (whatwg r3645) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0176.html>
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  48. # [12:47] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Add a half-baked intro for <menu>. (whatwg r3646) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0177.html>
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  64. # [16:18] <Stevef> lachy: re <body role="presentation" has no effect on AT such as JAWS as the role does not cascade it only affects the element iteslf and not the element content
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  66. # [16:35] <Lachy> Stevef, that doesn't make sense. How can it ignore the element, but not its content?
  67. # [16:36] <Lachy> what happens with <span role="presentation">text</span>?
  68. # [16:37] <Stevef> span is ignored (but it is anyway) and the text is announced as per usual
  69. # [16:38] <jgraham> So what does <table role=presentation> mean?
  70. # [16:39] <jgraham> Are all the table rows and table cells considered to be tabular data but the surrounding table is not?
  71. # [16:39] <Lachy> what about with <img src="..." alt="text" role="presentation">? Is the alt text read, or is it ignored along with the image?
  72. # [16:40] <jgraham> Do you need to do <table role=presentation><tr role=presentation><td role=presentation>?
  73. # [16:40] <Stevef> suggest you read the spec first http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/#presentation
  74. # [16:40] <pimpbot> Title: Accessible Rich Internet Applications (WAI-ARIA) 1.0 (at www.w3.org)
  75. # [16:40] <Lachy> I just read that, it didn't clarify my question about img above
  76. # [16:41] <Stevef> <img src="..." alt="text" role="presentation"> is not exposed from testing i did earlier today
  77. # [16:43] <Stevef> <img src="..." alt="text" role="presentation"> should be a conformance error
  78. # [16:43] <jgraham> Stevef: That seems way way too vauge for either interoperable implementations or for authors to know what they should do
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  80. # [16:43] <jgraham> For example it gives my <table role=presentation> as a case where UAs MAY propogate the role
  81. # [16:44] <jgraham> Whereas there should just be cases where the UA MUST/MUST NOT propogate the role
  82. # [16:45] <jgraham> (Is HTML expected to define this stuff?)
  83. # [16:45] <Stevef> jgraham: there will be a second last call for aria, so send in your comments, bnut it may be that this is already under review
  84. # [16:45] <jgraham> Stevef: OK
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  88. # [17:29] <Julian> hsivonen, have a minute for a RelaxNG question (concerning the Jing API)?
  89. # [17:29] <hsivonen> Julian: sure
  90. # [17:29] <Julian> thx
  91. # [17:30] <Julian> so, given a rng schema, and an instance document, not valid, ...
  92. # [17:30] <Julian> ...is it possible to programatically discover what needs to be done to make it valid?
  93. # [17:30] <Julian> For instance, when a mandatory child element is missing, will the validation outcome tell me which?
  94. # [17:31] <hsivonen> Julian: not in a Jing release nor on Jing trunk nor on V.nu branch
  95. # [17:31] <hsivonen> Julian: George Bina has a patch
  96. # [17:32] * hsivonen looks up the bug #
  97. # [17:32] <hsivonen> Julian: http://code.google.com/p/jing-trang/issues/detail?id=35
  98. # [17:32] <pimpbot> Title: Issue 35 - jing-trang - Provide more information for missing required attributes/elements errors - Project Hosting on Google Code (at code.google.com)
  99. # [17:33] <Julian> thanks a lot
  100. # [17:36] <hsivonen> you're welcome
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  105. # [18:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7351] New: The note ("The point of hgroup is to mask an h2 element (that acts as a secondary title) from the outline algorithm.") should be explicitly associated with the example below it that it applies to. (in general, a hgroup could mask an h3, h4, h5, etc.). <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0203.html>
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