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  1. # Session Start: Wed Aug 26 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:02] <anne> alternatively you could replace everything after "are equal to the" with something like "<span>XMLHttpRequest origin</span>. [XHR]"
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  7. # [00:08] <DanC> MikeSmith, have you run the spec splitter recently? I'm getting tons of `warning: can't find target for #about:blank' diagnostics
  8. # [00:10] <DanC> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/08/24/Edamame
  9. # [00:10] <pimpbot> Title: ongoing (at www.tbray.org)
  10. # [00:10] <DanC> phpht
  11. # [00:10] <DanC> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/Makefile
  12. # [00:10] * DanC curses copy-and-paste in linux/gnome/firefox/xchat ... who knows where the bug is
  13. # [00:12] <MikeSmith> DanC: I did, yeah. but I'm using an older version
  14. # [00:13] <DanC> do me a favor and check out spec-author-view and run make?
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  16. # [00:16] <DanC> gsnedders, do you have some spare bandwidth to help me diagnose this spec splitter problem? if so, make a directory, put http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/Makefile in it, and run make?
  17. # [00:16] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: pubrules fixes (whatwg r3672) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0232.html>
  18. # [00:16] * anne notes it's 12:11 AM over here
  19. # [00:18] * DanC wonders if gsnedders is over there... http://esw.w3.org/topic/PeopleLocation confirms
  20. # [00:18] <pimpbot> Title: PeopleLocation - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  21. # [00:18] <anne> MikeSmith, I'm going to bed, if anything still needs changing, go ahead, I'll complain when it's too late :p
  22. # [00:18] <anne> DanC, yeah, he's in Sweden
  23. # [00:18] <anne> I'm not, but the timezone is identical
  24. # [00:20] <MikeSmith> anne: diffs doc is fine, so we're fine on that -- thanks
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  29. # [00:31] <gsnedders> DanC: As anne says, that page is hence out of date, and I just popped online to do one thing that I have to do before tomorrow and before I forget :)
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  31. # [00:32] <DanC> ok
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  35. # [00:50] <DanC> hmm... I think these 'can't find anchor' diagnostics are legit; i.e. they're genuine references from the author view into the implementation details
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  42. # [01:00] <Hixie> DanC: ah, that's likely, yes
  43. # [01:00] <Hixie> DanC: there's a lot of that
  44. # [01:00] <Hixie> DanC: you can probably just strip all those <a> elements
  45. # [01:00] <DanC> yeah, ok
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  49. # [01:06] <DanC> warning: can't find target for #attr-button-type-submit-state on page forms:
  50. # [01:06] <DanC> (...If the type attribute is in
  51. # [01:06] <DanC> the Submit Button
  52. # [01:06] <DanC> state, the element is specifically a submit button....)
  53. # [01:06] <DanC> That seems to loose something substantive without the link
  54. # [01:08] <DanC> warning: can't find target for #concept-column on page tabular-data:
  55. # [01:08] <DanC> (...If a col element has a parent and that is a
  56. # [01:08] <DanC> colgroup element that itself has a parent that is a
  57. # [01:08] <DanC> table element, then the col element
  58. # [01:08] <DanC> represents one or more columns in the column group represented by that
  59. # [01:08] <DanC> colgroup....)
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  61. # [01:11] <Hixie> DanC: if there's text that you think doesn't help authors, or implementation text that isn't implementation-specific, let me know so i can fix the markup
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  65. # [01:12] <DanC> yeah... I'm just getting my head around this.
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  67. # [01:12] <DanC> the view with the implementation stuff highlighted is kinda handy too
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  70. # [01:13] <Hixie> yeah, i use that as my default now
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  74. # [01:46] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make SharedWorker's second argument optional. (whatwg r3673) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0235.html> ** ": sharing" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0234.html>
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  76. # [02:05] <rubys2> DanC: when I run the spec splitter, I get exactly one warning
  77. # [02:08] <rubys2> http://intertwingly.net/tmp/html5pub.out
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  84. # [02:16] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Also ban duplicate <a name>s (not just <a name> clashing with id=''). (whatwg r3675) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0237.html> ** hixie: Add extra restrictions on <a name>. (whatwg r3674) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0236.html>
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  97. # [03:43] <DanC> rubys2, is that after filtering out the implementation stuff?
  98. # [03:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7428] New: Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0304.html>
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  100. # [04:17] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clarify old purpose of <a name>. (whatwg r3676) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0238.html>
  101. # [04:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0305.html>
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  108. # [05:47] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Fix minor editorial issues with history stuff. (whatwg r3678) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0240.html> ** hixie: Make popstate and hashchange synchronous. (whatwg r3677) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0239.html>
  109. # [05:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7418] See if we can make popstate more synchronous so that when it fires, the doc is in the expected state, rather than three back-button-steps later. But consider nested calls to history.back(). <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0308.html> ** [Bug 7420] dfghjxdcfvbnm,,k sdfghjk gfdsdfgh fghj <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0307.html> ** [Bug 7421] azsxdcfvghjk <
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  112. # [06:07] <pimpbot> planet: SeaMonkey Meeting Minutes: 2009-08-25 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/223> ** Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2009-08-25 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/221>
  113. # [06:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7431] New: "willful double violation of RFC 2046": The word "double" is splitting the defined term "willful violation". This sounds like a new defined term and interferes with document searching. Instead use "willful violation of two aspects of RFC 2046" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0309.html>
  114. # [06:17] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove reliance on UTS22, which is apparently too loose. This will be addressed by registering aliases instead. Anne's apparently leading that effort. (whatwg r3679) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0241.html>
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  117. # [06:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7432] New: 'have been noted as "willful violations"': Other places use the signular, "willful violation". For consistency, non-native english readers and easy text search, use the singular when defining the term. E.g. 'have each been noted as a "willful violation". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0310.html>
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  120. # [08:08] <pimpbot> planet: How can I use the HTML5 canvas element in IE? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1332501/how-can-i-use-the-html5-canvas-element-in-ie>
  121. # [08:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0311.html>
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  125. # [09:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7433] New: maybe tiny typo in example with figure: the last <figure> should be </figure> ? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0312.html>
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  138. # [12:18] <anne> publication failed? :/
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  146. # [13:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7389] Shouldn't "formnoValidate" be "formNoValidate"? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0313.html>
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  151. # [14:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7389] Shouldn't "formnoValidate" be "formNoValidate"?" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0314.html>
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  156. # [15:10] <pimpbot> planet: Canvas Tutorial / Reference <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1334216/canvas-tutorial-reference>
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  163. # [16:18] <gsnedders|work> Predictions for future of leadership of HTML WG?
  164. # [16:19] <anne> Mr. Last Week
  165. # [16:19] <Dashiva> Oh, here I thought Sam was quitting
  166. # [16:19] <Dashiva> Good thing I was wrong
  167. # [16:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7434] New: Everything with role=heading should also have an associated aria-level that indicates the level of the heading. The level of the heading should probably be based on the outline algorithm. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0315.html>
  168. # [16:21] <anne> hmm, sam ruby is gone too
  169. # [16:21] <rubys> Dashiva: not yet :-)
  170. # [16:21] <anne> maciej and paul cotton are the new guys
  171. # [16:21] <Dashiva> rubys: Yeah, you aren't allowed to quit until CR
  172. # [16:22] <anne> oh wait, sorry rubys
  173. # [16:22] <rubys> anne: sam ruby is gone from where?
  174. # [16:22] * anne read the announcement incorrectly
  175. # [16:22] <gsnedders|work> "will join Sam as co-Chairs"
  176. # [16:22] * gsnedders|work points at the word _join_
  177. # [16:22] <gsnedders|work> There goes the fun of guessing.
  178. # [16:22] <gsnedders|work> timbl only gave us 11 minutes of it. :( :P
  179. # [16:23] <jgraham> Dammit I guess we will have to just use poison if we want to get rid of rubys
  180. # [16:23] <jgraham> Attempts to drive him away by being unchairable have failed
  181. # [16:23] <jgraham> ;)
  182. # [16:23] <anne> we could attempt to hack his computer but I'm afraid he'll win :)
  183. # [16:24] <myakura> whoa!
  184. # [16:34] <myakura> hmm, TR/shortnames still point to the old drafts.
  185. # [16:34] * plh is going to kick the webmaster :)
  186. # [16:38] <myakura> :)
  187. # [16:43] <plh> he is on it
  188. # [16:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7434] Everything with role=heading should also have an associated aria-level that indicates the level of the heading. The level of the heading should probably be based on the outline algorithm. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0316.html>
  189. # [17:12] * karl is trying to imagine the webmaster riding TR/
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  192. # [17:16] * tlr thanks Karl for that
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  194. # [17:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7434] Everything with role=heading should also have an associated aria-level that indicates the level of the heading. The level of the heading should probably be based on the outline algorithm." (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0318.html>
  195. # [17:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7434] Everything with role=heading should also have an associated aria-level that indicates the level of the heading. The level of the heading should probably be based on the outline algorithm." (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0319.html>
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  216. # [19:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0320.html>
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  219. # [19:53] <kliehm> Issue-48?
  220. # [19:53] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-48
  221. # [19:53] <trackbot> ISSUE-48 -- Should user-agents generate quotes for the q element -- RAISED
  222. # [19:53] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/48
  223. # [19:53] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-48 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  237. # [20:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0321.html>
  238. # [20:31] <Hixie> DanC: nice work on the filtered view, looks great
  239. # [20:31] <Hixie> DanC: sent some comments to the list
  240. # [20:32] <DanC> tx
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  243. # [20:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7436] New: Fichier XML de mise à jour mal formé (200) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0323.html> ** [Bug 7435] New: Fichier XML de mise à jour mal formé (200) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0322.html>
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  246. # [20:59] <Hixie> MikeSmith: what's the status of exposing the recent snapshot on /tr/?
  247. # [21:01] <MikeSmith> Hixie: we don't call it a "snapshot" and the delay is my fault for not having made sure that the spec was actually ready to be published
  248. # [21:01] <MikeSmith> without borken links or whatever
  249. # [21:01] <MikeSmith> I fully expect that we will get it published today
  250. # [21:01] <Hixie> cool
  251. # [21:01] <Hixie> (why not snapshot?)
  252. # [21:02] <Hixie> i was just asking in case there was something i could do to help, fwiw
  253. # [21:02] <Hixie> i'm in no rush to see it published :-)
  254. # [21:02] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah, I know. sorry, I'm a bit more wrung out than usual
  255. # [21:03] <MikeSmith> I am myself in hurry to see it get published so that we can move on
  256. # [21:03] <plh> actually, our publication is currently broken. nothing related to the html5 draft itself at this point. they're not sure if they're going to be able to fix it, since the person who knows is probably sleeping by now.
  257. # [21:04] <plh> we have a new webmaster so it's not yet up to speed to all the mechanisms
  258. # [21:05] <plh> s/it/he/
  259. # [21:06] <plh> s/publication/publication pipeline/
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