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  9. # [00:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clarify text that some people thought implied you had to implement aliases for encodings you didn't support (whatever that would mean). (whatwg r3682) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0244.html> ** hixie: Rename subject='' to itemfor=''. (whatwg r3681) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Aug/0243.html> ** hixie: Adjust terminology around time-zone offsets. (whatwg r3680) <
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  28. # [01:59] * rubys wonders when Hixie is going to welcome ME to the working group :-P
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  35. # [02:06] <mjs> rubys: you're already in it, aren't you?
  36. # [02:06] <gavin_> but he never got a welcome!
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  39. # [02:09] <rubys> I went back and checked... December and Jan.
  40. # [02:10] <rubys> Perhaps I'll get a thanks when I leave. :-)
  41. # [02:11] <mjs> weren't you a member some time before you became Chair?
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  43. # [02:12] <mjs> rubys: btw - I'm going to reply to Dick and suggest that ISSUE-9 should track SYMM's interest in media synchronization, that the next step is a concrete proposal, and that TPAC is probably too late to start on a proposal
  44. # [02:12] <mjs> rubys: does that all sound reasonable to you?
  45. # [02:16] <rubys> mjs: weren't you a member before you were a chair?
  46. # [02:16] <rubys> TPAC does seem a bit late...
  47. # [02:16] <mjs> rubys: I didn't get a welcome either, just congratulations
  48. # [02:17] <rubys> (P.S. you don't need to check with me on things like this) (I never got a congrats)
  49. # [02:17] <mjs> I know I don't *need* to check with you, but I'd rather be a little extra cautious until you, Paul and I have settled into a good model for working together
  50. # [02:18] <rubys> fair enough
  51. # [02:24] <Hixie> rubys: i thought i sent a similar mail when you were appointed chair
  52. # [02:25] * heycam` discovers what you're all talking about and also congratulates mjs
  53. # [02:26] <mjs> heycam`: thanks!
  54. # [02:30] <MikeSmith> http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/08/why-is-html-suddenly-interesti.html
  55. # [02:30] <pimpbot> Title: Why is HTML Suddenly Interesting? - O'Reilly Radar (at radar.oreilly.com)
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  58. # [02:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0324.html>
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  71. # [04:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0325.html>
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  87. # [10:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7437] The link for "mutable" points to textareas - no mention made of radio, button, input, password types <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0327.html> ** [Bug 7437] New: The link for "mutable" points to textareas - no mention made of radio, button, input, password types <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0326.html>
  88. # [10:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7438] refine Status section to clarify difference between editor's bug list and the working-group issue list <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0329.html> ** [Bug 7438] New: refine Status section to clarify difference between editor's bug list and the working-group issue list <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0328.html>
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  90. # [10:58] <Philip> gsnedders|work: "Well, Philip's in Spain, so that may take a while" - no I wasn't
  91. # [10:59] <Philip> You're not a very good stalker if you don't realise when I've gone home again
  92. # [10:59] <gsnedders|work> Philip: Stop travelling!
  93. # [10:59] <Philip> (Any lack of responsiveness over the past few days was due to illness instead)
  94. # [10:59] <gsnedders|work> (See, that's why I don't go to Spain. I don't want to get ill.)
  95. # [11:01] <Philip> (Any continued lack of responsiveness is due to playing Monkey Island)
  96. # [11:14] <anne> Philip, still around? can you do http://philip.html5.org/data/charsets.html again on your larger dataset?
  97. # [11:14] <pimpbot> Title: Charsets (at philip.html5.org)
  98. # [11:14] <anne> Philip, also, that page does not appear to be linked from anywhere
  99. # [11:14] <gsnedders|work> anne: It is! #whatwg logs!
  100. # [11:15] <anne> -_-
  101. # [11:16] <gsnedders|work> Sorry… but someone on the internet was wrong!
  102. # [11:20] * jgraham doesn't think anyone is asking gsnedders to come to bed. At least I hope not…
  103. # [11:20] <gsnedders|work> Huh? What?
  104. # [11:20] <jgraham> http://xkcd.com/386/
  105. # [11:20] <pimpbot> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Duty Calls (at xkcd.com)
  106. # [11:21] <jgraham> (and it's "someone is wrong on the internet")
  107. # [11:21] <gsnedders|work> Oh, yeah, right. I knew it was present tense, FWIW.
  108. # [11:21] <jgraham> I'll leave my pedant tag open for now
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  110. # [11:53] <Philip> anne: I might be able to if you remind me some time next week
  111. # [11:59] <annevk> heartbeat: http://www.w3.org/News/2009#item149
  112. # [11:59] <pimpbot> Title: Archive of W3C News in 2009 (at www.w3.org)
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  114. # [12:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7441] New: The specification only ever uses the prefix:localName convention for some attributes in the XML namespace and whenever it does it is pretty explicit about it. xml:id is never mentioned outside this section and the prefixes svg and html are never used. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0332.html> ** [Bug 7440] New: The markup of the example does not use <th> for Legs and Tails like the actual tab
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  130. # [15:53] <kliehm> issue-48?
  131. # [15:53] <kliehm> Issue-48?
  132. # [15:53] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-48
  133. # [15:53] <trackbot> ISSUE-48 -- Should user-agents generate quotes for the q element -- RAISED
  134. # [15:53] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/48
  135. # [15:53] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-48
  136. # [15:53] <trackbot> ISSUE-48 -- Should user-agents generate quotes for the q element -- RAISED
  137. # [15:53] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/48
  138. # [15:53] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-48 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  139. # [15:54] <annevk> kliehm, going to do that daily? :)
  140. # [15:56] <jgraham> The issue status "RAISED" makes me think of Zombies
  141. # [15:56] * kliehm as long as I keep forgetting that URL... ;-)
  142. # [15:56] <jgraham> s/Z/z/
  143. # [15:57] * kliehm I guess any "born again" people would have a different connotation
  144. # [15:59] * kliehm so I hope this connection stays a little less unstable in two hours. I'm in edge-land, and apparently the local admins have no idea of AP configuration either...
  145. # [16:00] <mjs> hi everyone
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  149. # [16:02] <hsivonen> mjs: hi and congratulations for the chairship
  150. # [16:02] <mjs> hsivonen: thanks!
  151. # [16:02] <jgraham> +1
  152. # [16:02] <annevk> +1 from me too; forgot about it yesterday
  153. # [16:03] <jgraham> Or I could be polite and congratulate you in a less annoying way ;)
  154. # [16:03] <mjs> it's the thought that counts - I guess?
  155. # [16:08] <jgraham> mjs: Seriusly, congratulations
  156. # [16:08] <mjs> jgraham: thank you
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  159. # [16:12] <gsnedders|work> mjs: Welcome to chairing hell, or some such comment. :)
  160. # [16:22] <Dashiva> Yeah, where are all the formal objections?
  161. # [16:24] <gsnedders|work> I guess I should post a formal objection to the new chairs or something :P
  162. # [16:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7442] New: Java applets are never conforming, and sometimes don't work <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0333.html>
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  164. # [16:27] <mjs> gsnedders|work: that would indeed be more in the spirit of the Working Group
  165. # [16:28] <hsivonen> gsnedders|work: Chairs aren't a WG Decision
  166. # [16:28] <Dashiva> I was expecting something from lastweek, at least
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  168. # [16:28] <jgraham> hsivonen: You only need a very loose understanding of Process to start bandying about FOs in the HTMLWG
  169. # [16:30] <jgraham> Dashiva: Maybe mjs _is_ mrlastweek
  170. # [16:31] <jgraham> When he eats cheese before bedtime
  171. # [16:31] <mjs> If I really was MLW I'd surely have a good post flaming myself up
  172. # [16:31] <Dashiva> mjs: or maybe that's just what you want us to think
  173. # [16:31] <Dashiva> Clever!
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  196. # [16:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7442] Java applets are never conforming, and sometimes don't work <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Aug/0334.html>
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  210. # [18:00] <rubys> agenda+ pick a scribe
  211. # [18:01] * rubys nope, too early
  212. # [18:01] * DanC invites Zakim
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  214. # [18:01] <DanC> now try, rubys
  215. # [18:01] <rubys> agenda+ pick a scribe
  216. # [18:01] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
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  219. # [18:01] <rubys> agenda+ open / pending review action items
  220. # [18:01] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  221. # [18:01] <rubys> agenda+ orphan issues
  222. # [18:01] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  223. # [18:02] <rubys> agenda+ raised issues nominated for closure
  224. # [18:02] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  225. # [18:02] <rubys> agenda+ creation of an HTML Accessibility Task Force
  226. # [18:02] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  227. # [18:02] <rubys> agenda+ Discuss the change in chairs
  228. # [18:02] * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
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  231. # [18:04] <annevk> kliehm, given the procedure for other issues it would make more sense to file bugs for your issues or file new issues
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  233. # [18:04] <annevk> kliehm, the second comment is not even about the q element anymore and whether quotes should be rendered for the q element is pretty clear by now
  234. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
  235. # [18:04] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  236. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  237. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  238. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  239. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  240. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  241. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2009
  242. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  243. # [18:05] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  244. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  245. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  246. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  247. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Sam
  248. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Mike
  249. # [18:05] * Joins: MichaelC (Michael@128.30.52.30)
  250. # [18:05] <ChrisWilson> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
  251. # [18:05] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  252. # [18:05] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  253. # [18:05] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  254. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Cooper
  255. # [18:05] <annevk> Zakim, passcode?
  256. # [18:05] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
  257. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P25
  258. # [18:06] <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0033.html
  259. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-27 *PLEASE-READ* from Sam Ruby on 2009-08-26 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  260. # [18:06] <annevk> Zakim, ??P25 is me
  261. # [18:06] <Zakim> +annevk; got it
  262. # [18:06] * Quits: pimpbot (pimpbot@80.68.92.65) (Client exited)
  263. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Laura
  264. # [18:06] * DanC Zakim, call DanC-work
  265. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, DanC; the call is being made
  266. # [18:06] <Zakim> +DanC
  267. # [18:06] * DanC Zakim, mute me
  268. # [18:06] * Zakim DanC should now be muted
  269. # [18:06] * Joins: masinter (user@76.102.104.162)
  270. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  271. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Matt
  272. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  273. # [18:07] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  274. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Julian
  275. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.703.234.aaaa
  276. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Masinter
  277. # [18:08] <rubys> zakim, who is on the phone?
  278. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], ChrisWilson, Sam, MikeSmith, Cooper, annevk, Laura, DanC (muted), [Microsoft.a], Matt, Julian, +1.703.234.aaaa, Masinter
  279. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  280. # [18:08] * DanC checks http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html ... we're up to 13...
  281. # [18:08] <paulc> Paulc just joined the call
  282. # [18:08] <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is Jerry
  283. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Jerry; got it
  284. # [18:08] <annevk> Zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is paulc
  285. # [18:08] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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  288. # [18:09] <rubys> next agendum
  289. # [18:09] * Zakim thinks agendum 1. "pick a scribe" taken up [from rubys]
  290. # [18:09] <rubys> zakim, pick a scribe
  291. # [18:09] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisWilson
  292. # [18:09] * DanC nominates pauls 1/2 ;-)
  293. # [18:09] * DanC meant paulc
  294. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P37
  295. # [18:09] <kliehm> zakim, p37 is me
  296. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, kliehm, I do not recognize a party named 'p37'
  297. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  298. # [18:10] <annevk> scribe: annevk
  299. # [18:10] <DanC> silly zakim...
  300. # [18:10] <kliehm> Zakim, ??P37 is me
  301. # [18:10] <Zakim> +kliehm; got it
  302. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> scribenick: annevk
  303. # [18:10] <kliehm> Zakim, mute me
  304. # [18:10] <Zakim> kliehm should now be muted
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  306. # [18:10] <annevk> Zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is adrianba
  307. # [18:10] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  308. # [18:10] <DanC> Zakim, ??P37 is kliehm
  309. # [18:10] <Zakim> I already had ??P37 as kliehm, DanC
  310. # [18:10] <DanC> phpht
  311. # [18:10] <annevk> MikeSmith, that's not needed
  312. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P43
  313. # [18:10] <rubys> next agendum
  314. # [18:10] * Zakim thinks agendum 2. "open / pending review action items" taken up [from rubys]
  315. # [18:10] * ChrisWilson thank you. I'd intended to offer, but need to accomplish another simultaneous task.
  316. # [18:10] <annevk> Topic: Open Options
  317. # [18:10] <rubys> Topic: Issue-4/Action-108 html-versioning / Larry Masinter
  318. # [18:10] <Stevef> zakim, ??P43 is me
  319. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
  320. # [18:10] <annevk> s/Options/Items/
  321. # [18:10] * annevk oops
  322. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
  323. # [18:11] <annevk> LM: I'm not sure that it's necessary to keep the issue open
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  325. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  326. # [18:11] <Zakim> +smedero
  327. # [18:11] <smedero> Zakim, mute me
  328. # [18:11] <Zakim> smedero should now be muted
  329. # [18:11] <annevk> LM: I don't know if there's a schedule for completing this work
  330. # [18:11] <DanC> q+
  331. # [18:11] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  332. # [18:11] * Joins: cyns (627da612@128.30.52.43)
  333. # [18:11] <annevk> LM: I don't have objections to closing if that's what you want to do
  334. # [18:11] <DanC> ack danc
  335. # [18:11] * Zakim unmutes DanC
  336. # [18:11] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  337. # [18:12] <annevk> DC: I want us to write down the resolution
  338. # [18:12] <annevk> SR: My understanding is that there is not a proposal before Last Call
  339. # [18:12] <annevk> DC: But what do we decide?
  340. # [18:12] <annevk> DC: About legacy-compat and the DOCTYPE?
  341. # [18:12] <annevk> SR: Are you suggesting something else?
  342. # [18:13] <Zakim> +cyns
  343. # [18:13] <annevk> DC: It's not the whole document, is it?
  344. # [18:13] <annevk> DC: Are we documenting the decision?
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  346. # [18:13] <annevk> SR: Lets close ACTION-108 and discuss the issue on the mailing list
  347. # [18:13] <annevk> s/the issue/ISSUE-4/
  348. # [18:13] <annevk> SR: I will post about it and I think LM will too
  349. # [18:13] <rubys> Topic: Issue-10/Action-135 video-smil / Mike Smith
  350. # [18:13] <annevk> DC: OK
  351. # [18:14] <annevk> SR: what is the next action?
  352. # [18:14] <annevk> MS: I think we can close ACTION-135 and am not sure what's next
  353. # [18:14] <annevk> MS: we got a reply off-list
  354. # [18:14] <DanC> I expect something like "let's close html-versioning as discussed in the draft, section XYZ: <!doctype HTML> and <!doctype HTML system "about:legacy-compat"> "
  355. # [18:14] <annevk> MS: not sure whether it was on or off-list, but we did get a reply
  356. # [18:15] <annevk> SR: It does not appear to be on list
  357. # [18:15] <annevk> SR: it does not look like ISSUE-10 is ready to be closed
  358. # [18:15] <annevk> SR: I would like to demote it to raised
  359. # [18:15] <annevk> SR: objections?
  360. # [18:15] <annevk> DC: can you share the contents of the email?
  361. # [18:16] <annevk> SR: no concrete suggestions I believe; he had to think about it more
  362. # [18:16] <annevk> MS: he agreed that the initial issue on the attribute names was ok because of the removal and name changes
  363. # [18:16] <annevk> MS: he's still interested in the video synchronization issue
  364. # [18:16] <annevk> MS: I think we can probably close ISSUE-10
  365. # [18:16] <annevk> SR: I think he said was not happy with closing it
  366. # [18:16] <annevk> MS: ok
  367. # [18:17] <rubys> Topic: Issue-13/Action-86 handling-http-401-status / Julian Reschke
  368. # [18:17] <annevk> JR: I followed up with J Kemp and T Broyer did as well and I don't think we saw a response
  369. # [18:17] <annevk> JR: I'd suggest to try to close it again and see if he objects again
  370. # [18:17] <annevk> SR: ok; I'm quite ok with that
  371. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> issue-13?
  372. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-13
  373. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Handling HTTP status 401 responses / User Agent Authentication Forms -- RAISED
  374. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/13
  375. # [18:18] <annevk> DC: are you talking about closing ISSUE-13 or the action?
  376. # [18:18] <annevk> JR: yes
  377. # [18:18] <DanC> s/DC/PaulC/
  378. # [18:18] * annevk did I do that wrong all the time?
  379. # [18:18] * DanC no
  380. # [18:18] * annevk good
  381. # [18:18] <rubys> Topic: Issue-74/Action-132 canvas-accessibility / Steve Faulkner
  382. # [18:18] <annevk> SF: I'm on the call
  383. # [18:19] <DanC> (was that a decision to close issue 13? if so, the scribe doesn't seem to have gotten it)
  384. # [18:19] <annevk> SR: perhaps we can move the target?
  385. # [18:19] * annevk I didn't hear a decision
  386. # [18:19] <DanC> agenda + are the resolutions of closed issues easy enough to find?
  387. # [18:19] * Zakim notes agendum 7 added
  388. # [18:19] <annevk> MC: we have a couple of issues that we need to address
  389. # [18:19] <rubys> decision was to mark issue 13 for closure on 2009-09-03 to see if that flushes out any objections
  390. # [18:19] <annevk> MC: e.g. rich editable text, clipboard content
  391. # [18:19] <DanC> ok, thanks, rubys
  392. # [18:20] <annevk> MC: people are making prototypes
  393. # [18:20] <annevk> MC: we need another couple of weeks
  394. # [18:20] * annevk missed that
  395. # [18:20] <annevk> SR: [...] anything else?
  396. # [18:20] <DanC> Sam: so you're not yet comfortable pulling the date into Sep, though that might happen?
  397. # [18:20] <annevk> LC: we're making good progress
  398. # [18:20] <DanC> Rich: right
  399. # [18:21] <rubys> s/LC/Cynthia/
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  401. # [18:21] <annevk> s/MC:/RS:/
  402. # [18:21] <annevk> s/MC:/RS:/s
  403. # [18:21] <DanC> (ACTION-132 on Steve Faulkner is done to my satisfaction)
  404. # [18:21] * dsinger I would cheerfully call in, but Zakim says the conference is full, and no more parties can be added at this time.
  405. # [18:21] <annevk> SR: so we can close ACTION-132?
  406. # [18:21] * DanC phbpht
  407. # [18:21] * dsinger have a nice call guys, sorry I am late (accident on the freeway)
  408. # [18:21] * DanC dsinger, dial *0 and ask for help if you like
  409. # [18:22] <annevk> RESOLUTION: closed
  410. # [18:22] <masinter> action-132?
  411. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-132
  412. # [18:22] <trackbot> ACTION-132 -- Steve Faulkner to report on canvas accessibility -- due 2009-08-28 -- OPEN
  413. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/132
  414. # [18:22] <annevk> s/closed/close ACTION-132/
  415. # [18:22] <rubys> Topic: Issue-35/Action-138 aria-processing / Steve Faulkner
  416. # [18:22] <DanC> close action-132
  417. # [18:22] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-132.
  418. # [18:22] <trackbot> ACTION-132 Report on canvas accessibility closed
  419. # [18:22] <dsinger> zakim, code?
  420. # [18:22] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dsinger
  421. # [18:22] <annevk> SR: the specific action was about a matrix
  422. # [18:22] <annevk> SF: inspirated by the new spec text but also work on the other one independently
  423. # [18:22] <annevk> SF: for something that the PFWG considers appropriate
  424. # [18:23] <annevk> SF: not by next week
  425. # [18:23] <annevk> CS: the accessibility task force works on something very similar
  426. # [18:23] <annevk> RS: getting a lot of questions how this actually maps to the platform
  427. # [18:24] <annevk> RS: to do this well we need a full mapping of all the features
  428. # [18:24] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  429. # [18:24] <annevk> CS: that is what the task force is working on
  430. # [18:24] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  431. # [18:24] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  432. # [18:24] <annevk> CS: we do not have the new features of HTML5 yet, but we're getting there
  433. # [18:24] * dsinger the operator finally came online and patched me in
  434. # [18:24] <annevk> SR: move the target to the tenth?
  435. # [18:24] <DanC> (gee... we're up to 22 ports in use; our reservation went up from 15 to 20, but maybe that's not enough.)
  436. # [18:24] <annevk> SF: it sounds that if I'm going to be working with the Task Force it's best to move it back a week
  437. # [18:25] <DanC> it=ACTION-138 on Steve Faulkner?
  438. # [18:25] <annevk> CS: we have a weekly accessibility call on this
  439. # [18:25] <DanC> action-138 due 10 Sep
  440. # [18:25] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-138.
  441. # [18:25] <trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due date now 10 Sep
  442. # [18:25] <rubys> next agendum
  443. # [18:25] * Zakim thinks agendum 3. "orphan issues" taken up [from rubys]
  444. # [18:25] * johndrinkwater wanted to dial in to listen; but its ok just reading …
  445. # [18:25] <rubys> Topic: Issue-9 video-synchronization
  446. # [18:25] * annevk you can ask the operator if you want
  447. # [18:25] * annevk i'm a poor scribe
  448. # [18:26] * annevk hence me asking for publishing raw audio...
  449. # [18:26] <annevk> SR: what specific action are you taking?
  450. # [18:26] <annevk> CS: video synchronization
  451. # [18:26] <annevk> CS: follow up with Shawn to see if he can work on it
  452. # [18:26] * annevk wonders who that was
  453. # [18:27] * annevk dsinger I guess
  454. # [18:27] * rubys that was dsinger
  455. # [18:27] <annevk> DS: It was not clear to me what the issue is
  456. # [18:27] <DanC> (odd... I thought we had an issue on video captioning, though I don't see one.)
  457. # [18:27] <annevk> DS: things are intertwingled
  458. # [18:27] <annevk> DS: I think working on accessibility of the media elements will resolve these issues
  459. # [18:28] <annevk> CS: It's not my area of expertise so I don't know if this is the same issue
  460. # [18:28] <DanC> +1 keep caption stuff separate
  461. # [18:28] <annevk> DS: the issue came up initially about syncing two videos to play them side-by-side
  462. # [18:28] <annevk> DS: or having captions in sync with the video
  463. # [18:28] <annevk> RS: is someone looking for alternatives for videos?
  464. # [18:28] <annevk> RS: e.g. multiple language tracks?
  465. # [18:29] <DanC> the "you don't; it's beyond the requirements we're trying to meet" sounds like a proposal to put to the group
  466. # [18:29] <annevk> DS: JF and I have been working on that and are organizing a workshop on this topic
  467. # [18:29] <Laura> Multimedia Accessibility <Audio> <Video>
  468. # [18:29] <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/MultimediaAccessibilty
  469. # [18:29] <annevk> DS: we want to host the workshop before TPAC
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  471. # [18:29] <annevk> CS: I'm trying to convince Shawn to go to that
  472. # [18:29] * rubys what is shawn's last name?
  473. # [18:29] <Laura> Request for PFWG WAI review of multimedia accessibility requirements <audio> <video>
  474. # [18:29] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Sep/0421.html
  475. # [18:29] <annevk> DS: it's not free-for-all
  476. # [18:29] <DanC> (I suppose http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0694.html is pretty close to "you don't")
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  478. # [18:29] <dsinger> sean hayes
  479. # [18:29] <annevk> DS: we want people with expertise and experience to make some progress
  480. # [18:30] <annevk> s/Shawn/Sean Hayes/s
  481. # [18:30] <dsinger> Microsoft accessibility group, UK-based
  482. # [18:30] <annevk> DS: for this particular issue is that we should defer it to a future version of HTML
  483. # [18:30] <annevk> DS: the synchronization of multiple media elements
  484. # [18:30] <DanC> +1 postpone to a future version for ISSUE-9: video-synchronization
  485. # [18:31] <annevk> DS: accessibility aids should be addressed as an accessibility question
  486. # [18:31] <annevk> DS: how we synchronize transcripts and videos
  487. # [18:31] <annevk> DS: what do we do without cue ranges
  488. # [18:31] <DanC> trackbot has an IRC interface for making new issues: ISSUE: caption support for <video>
  489. # [18:31] <Laura> Followup Re: Request for PFWG WAI review of multimedia accessibility requirements <audio> <video>
  490. # [18:31] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009May/0008.html
  491. # [18:31] <rubys> action cynthia to follow up with sean hayes due next week
  492. # [18:31] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  493. # [18:31] <trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Follow up with sean hayes due next week [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2009-09-03].
  494. # [18:32] <annevk> CS: captioning should be done for this version, but I'm not sure which issue that is
  495. # [18:32] * DanC Zakim, who's making noise?
  496. # [18:32] * Zakim DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ChrisWilson (80%), Sam (14%), cyns (5%)
  497. # [18:32] <rubys> Topic: Issue-11 default-encoding / Shawn Medero
  498. # [18:32] <DanC> action-140: on captioning and <video>
  499. # [18:32] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-140.
  500. # [18:32] <trackbot> ACTION-140 Follow up with sean hayes due next week notes added
  501. # [18:32] <smedero> zakim, unmute me
  502. # [18:32] <Zakim> smedero should no longer be muted
  503. # [18:32] <DanC> sean medero, aka smedero
  504. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> s/sean/shawn/
  505. # [18:33] <annevk> SM: modified text was proposed in response to the bugs MS filed and that's kind of dangling right now
  506. # [18:33] <annevk> SR: it's quite ok to close the issue if the bugs are opened
  507. # [18:33] <annevk> SM: fine with me
  508. # [18:33] <annevk> SM: i just raised the issue on behalf of the i18n WG
  509. # [18:33] <DanC> (is Addison on the cc list for the bug or whatever? does Adison know how to use bugzilla?)
  510. # [18:34] <annevk> SM: if the text is accepted they're ok with closing the issue
  511. # [18:34] <smedero> DanC: yes
  512. # [18:34] <smedero> zakim, mute me
  513. # [18:34] <Zakim> smedero should now be muted
  514. # [18:34] <annevk> smedero, poitners to the bugs?
  515. # [18:34] <annevk> s/DanC:/DanC,/
  516. # [18:34] * annevk cannot really follow that :)
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  518. # [18:34] <smedero> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7380
  519. # [18:34] * annevk it's fine though
  520. # [18:34] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7380
  521. # [18:34] * Quits: laplink (link@193.157.66.7) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  522. # [18:34] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7381
  523. # [18:34] <smedero> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7381
  524. # [18:34] <rubys> Issue-37 html-svg-mathml / Adrian Bateman
  525. # [18:35] <annevk> DanC, so the answer to your question is no
  526. # [18:35] <mjs> sorry I'm late, traffic was disastrous
  527. # [18:35] <smedero> Addison's notes on those two bugs are here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1048.html
  528. # [18:35] <mjs> the telecon is full
  529. # [18:35] <annevk> AB: from our perspective we're looking at this from ISSUE-41
  530. # [18:35] <annevk> AB: we do not really need two issues open for this we think
  531. # [18:36] * DanC maciej, dial *0
  532. # [18:36] <mjs> ok
  533. # [18:36] <annevk> AB: we don't have a particular point of view either way on whether SVG 1.2 should be included
  534. # [18:36] <annevk> SR: the current status is that ISSUE-37 is getting a number of bugs
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  536. # [18:36] <annevk> SR: I don't think there was anyone with objections to that, but I need to check
  537. # [18:36] <masinter> issue-37?
  538. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-37
  539. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- Integration of SVG and MathML into text/html -- OPEN
  540. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/37
  541. # [18:37] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the call
  542. # [18:37] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the call', MikeSmith
  543. # [18:37] <annevk> SR: not sure if there's particular need for both ISSUE-37 and ISSUE-41 to be open
  544. # [18:37] * mjs DanC, what then? I'm on hold...
  545. # [18:37] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  546. # [18:37] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], ChrisWilson, Sam, MikeSmith, Cooper, annevk, Laura, DanC, [Microsoft.a], Matt, Julian, Jerry, Masinter, paulc, kliehm (muted), adrianba, Stevef,
  547. # [18:37] * DanC yes, an operator should help soon, mjs
  548. # [18:37] <Zakim> ... Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Radhika_Roy, smedero (muted), cyns, [Apple]
  549. # [18:37] <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
  550. # [18:37] <rubys> next agendum
  551. # [18:37] * Zakim thinks agendum 4. "raised issues nominated for closure" taken up [from rubys]
  552. # [18:37] <rubys> ISSUE-48: UA-q-quotes / Shawn Medero ISSUE-60: html5-xhtml-namespace / Shawn Medero ISSUE-66: image analysis heuristics / Matthew May
  553. # [18:37] <annevk> SR: at the very least tell Mark that ISSUE-XXX is under review
  554. # [18:37] * annevk wonders what XXX is
  555. # [18:37] <kliehm> Zakim, unmute me
  556. # [18:37] <Zakim> kliehm should no longer be muted
  557. # [18:37] * annevk and who mark is
  558. # [18:38] <smedero> On ISSUE-48 and ISSUE-60 - I opened those on behalf of other folks and don't have anything to add.
  559. # [18:38] <annevk> SR: we have four issues proposed for closure
  560. # [18:38] <annevk> [scribe missed the numbers -- check email archives]
  561. # [18:38] <rubys> s/four/three/
  562. # [18:38] <DanC> (is this matt's comment on 48? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1126.html )
  563. # [18:39] * annevk cannot hear this
  564. # [18:39] * ChrisWilson just stepped into a Charlie Brown TV special
  565. # [18:39] * DanC wow... I've heard a lot of wierd effects on telcons, but that's a new one
  566. # [18:39] <kliehm> I sent an email to the list re Issue-48. We can close the issue and open two new bugs
  567. # [18:39] <richardschwerdtfe> I agree with Matt May's comments
  568. # [18:40] <kliehm> Zakim, mute me
  569. # [18:40] <Zakim> kliehm should now be muted
  570. # [18:40] * mjs DanC, I've been told to "please hold for an operator" ~30 times now...
  571. # [18:40] <annevk> MM: the issue that was originally raised is that XXX should be stricken and I stick to that
  572. # [18:40] <Laura> objection to closing 66: image analysis heuristics
  573. # [18:40] <annevk> MM: the text doesn't add anything to the document
  574. # [18:40] * DanC sorry, mjs... looking into it...
  575. # [18:40] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1116.html
  576. # [18:40] <annevk> MM: I don't know what the next step is
  577. # [18:41] <annevk> MM: somebody needs to either... I mean... remove the sentence or say why they're not going to
  578. # [18:41] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1126.html
  579. # [18:41] <annevk> MM: it seems to have hung[?] out there
  580. # [18:41] <annevk> SR: I don't see a bug report mentioned
  581. # [18:41] <annevk> SR: will make sure there's one
  582. # [18:41] <annevk> MM: k
  583. # [18:41] <rubys> ISSUE-51: aria-curie / Mike Smith ISSUE-53: mediatypereg / Julian Reschke ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat / Julian Rescke ISSUE-61: conformance-language / Dan Connolly ISSUE-64: web-sockets-scope-req / Dan Connolly
  584. # [18:42] <DanC> q+
  585. # [18:42] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  586. # [18:42] <rubys> ack
  587. # [18:42] <annevk> SR: these issues are satisfied by the persons who raised them
  588. # [18:42] * MikeSmith notes to mjs and DanC that the operator is now at lunch. I'm trying to see who else might be able to add new callers (btw, we are already at 22 on the call today)
  589. # [18:42] <rubys> ack DanC
  590. # [18:42] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  591. # [18:42] <annevk> SR: if people feel otherwise please let us know
  592. # [18:42] <smedero> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1328.html
  593. # [18:43] <annevk> DC: someone just complained about <q>
  594. # [18:43] <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1328.html
  595. # [18:43] * annevk thinks that should be a bug report
  596. # [18:43] * annevk the original issue is addressed
  597. # [18:43] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/1328.html
  598. # [18:43] <annevk> SR: not appropriate to close this one just yet
  599. # [18:44] <paulc> Which issue is this about?
  600. # [18:44] <annevk> DC: I think he's just asking for clarification, not change how code is written
  601. # [18:44] <kliehm> That was me, I took a closer look and I agree with annevk that bug reports are sufficient
  602. # [18:44] <rubys> issue 48
  603. # [18:44] <DanC> ISSUE-48?
  604. # [18:44] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-48
  605. # [18:44] <trackbot> ISSUE-48 -- Should user-agents generate quotes for the q element -- RAISED
  606. # [18:44] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/48
  607. # [18:44] <mjs> I note that my suggestions to close are all for next thursday anyway, to give the space between two telecons
  608. # [18:44] <kliehm> Right, close it
  609. # [18:44] <annevk> MS: does that mean we can close the issue?
  610. # [18:44] <annevk> SR: fine with me
  611. # [18:44] <annevk> [lots of cheering in the background]
  612. # [18:44] <rubys> next agendum
  613. # [18:44] * Zakim thinks agendum 5. "creation of an HTML Accessibility Task Force" taken up [from rubys]
  614. # [18:45] <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
  615. # [18:45] * DanC sorry, mjs, I can't raise any operators on IRC; I think it's lunchtime at MIT
  616. # [18:45] <Zakim> rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ChrisWilson (29%), Radhika_Roy (9%)
  617. # [18:45] <rubys> zakim, mute ChrisWilson
  618. # [18:45] <Zakim> ChrisWilson should now be muted
  619. # [18:45] <annevk> SR: MC do you want to talk about the HTML Task Force?
  620. # [18:45] * mjs DanC, should I give up on dialing in?
  621. # [18:45] <ChrisWilson> zakim, unmute chriswilson
  622. # [18:45] <Zakim> ChrisWilson should no longer be muted
  623. # [18:45] <annevk> MC: still seeking to appoint a joint Task Force
  624. # [18:46] * ChrisWilson sorry about that, forgot to re-mute locally after last speaking turn
  625. # [18:46] <annevk> MC: the reason we want a Task Force is that we want to focus on a specific set of issues and not be distracted
  626. # [18:46] <annevk> MC: it would be under the process of both of the Working Groups
  627. # [18:46] <annevk> MC: the PFWG feels this would be an important channel
  628. # [18:46] <annevk> MC: deliverables would be given to both WGs and the host WGs decide what to do with them
  629. # [18:47] <annevk> SR: I talked with PC and MS and MS had some reservations that he'll write up
  630. # [18:47] * DanC is still trying, mjs...
  631. # [18:47] <annevk> SR: unfortunately he cannot attend the call due to logistics
  632. # [18:47] <rubys> mjs: care to comment on this topic via IRC?
  633. # [18:47] <annevk> MC: we're anxious to get this forum and have a desire to broaden the discussion
  634. # [18:47] <mjs> rubys, sure
  635. # [18:48] <mjs> my comments are this:
  636. # [18:48] <Laura> From last week's Teleconference: "Sam: no objections. I'll set up a poll."
  637. # [18:48] <Laura> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20090820#l-610
  638. # [18:48] <mjs> rubys, actually, I can go to Dave Singer's office and share his phone
  639. # [18:48] <mjs> rubys, can we table this issue while I walk over? ~5min
  640. # [18:48] * DanC Zakim, mute me
  641. # [18:48] * Zakim DanC should now be muted
  642. # [18:48] <annevk> Laura, it was later found out there were objections
  643. # [18:49] <mjs> (back in a few)
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  645. # [18:49] <DanC> q+
  646. # [18:49] * Zakim sees DanC on the speaker queue
  647. # [18:49] <DanC> agenda?
  648. # [18:49] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  649. # [18:49] * Zakim 5. creation of an HTML Accessibility Task Force [from rubys]
  650. # [18:49] * Quits: mjs_ (mjs@17.246.16.249) (Client exited)
  651. # [18:49] * Zakim 6. Discuss the change in chairs [from rubys]
  652. # [18:49] * Quits: mjs (mjs@17.203.15.179) (Connection reset by peer)
  653. # [18:49] * Zakim 7. are the resolutions of closed issues easy enough to find? [from DanC]
  654. # [18:50] <annevk> PC: If we can go back to the Task Force item; what are the concerns about IP?
  655. # [18:50] * Quits: MikeSmith (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org) (Client exited)
  656. # [18:50] <annevk> SR: DS are you still on the call and can you comment on them?
  657. # [18:50] <annevk> DS: one of my concerns was under which group would the disclosure policy fall
  658. # [18:50] <annevk> DS: do you have to join the HTML WG or the PFWG?
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  660. # [18:52] <annevk> [DS explains the IP issue]
  661. # [18:52] <annevk> MC: I don't think that this in practice will be an issue
  662. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  663. # [18:52] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  664. # [18:53] <annevk> PC: we had these questions before and people can join both WGs to alleviate the issues
  665. # [18:53] <annevk> PC: another solution we did was that both WGs publish the document
  666. # [18:53] * DanC Zakim, mute me
  667. # [18:53] * Zakim DanC was already muted, DanC
  668. # [18:53] <annevk> PC: are we talking about creating a joint document or input for documents created separately by each WG?
  669. # [18:54] * dsinger I have Maciej
  670. # [18:54] <annevk> MC: we're not clear on that yet, looking in both directions
  671. # [18:54] * dsinger next to a phone
  672. # [18:54] <DanC> Zakim, dsinger has Maciej
  673. # [18:54] <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'dsinger'
  674. # [18:54] <DanC> phpht
  675. # [18:54] <DanC> Zakim, [Apple] has Maciej, dsinger
  676. # [18:54] <Zakim> dsinger was already listed in [Apple], DanC
  677. # [18:54] <Zakim> +Maciej; got it
  678. # [18:54] <annevk> RS: HTML5 has a dependency on ARIA; so that's a separate deliverable
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  680. # [18:55] * ChrisWilson that's a pretty snide tone coming from Zakim. :)
  681. # [18:55] <annevk> RS: it seems that joining both groups or agreeing to both policies seems the appropriate thing to do
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  683. # [18:55] <annevk> MC: I don't think joining both groups is an option everyone has
  684. # [18:55] <annevk> RS: what about agreeing to policies of both groups?
  685. # [18:55] <annevk> MC: not sure
  686. # [18:55] * mjs is listening on Dave's phone
  687. # [18:55] * annevk wonders if this can be discussed elsewhere
  688. # [18:56] * annevk obviously just a few people are needed to sort this out
  689. # [18:56] <paulc> See Status section of http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/REC-xpath20-20070123/
  690. # [18:56] * rubys agrees with annevk
  691. # [18:56] <annevk> PC: I'm certainly willing to help with this
  692. # [18:56] <annevk> SR: at least talk with MS and MC
  693. # [18:57] * shepazu zakim, call shepazu
  694. # [18:57] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  695. # [18:57] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  696. # [18:57] <annevk> CS: we already have one joint task force between PFWG and HTML in theory
  697. # [18:57] <annevk> CS: the one on accessibility mapping
  698. # [18:57] <Laura> Request for Input on organizing accessibility API binding work in PFWG and HTML WG
  699. # [18:57] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32212/axs-API-impl-Org/results
  700. # [18:57] * annevk is paulc in the system?
  701. # [18:57] * DanC will add him...
  702. # [18:57] <annevk> SR: can you report on this next week?
  703. # [18:58] <annevk> PC: that's the idea; together with MS
  704. # [18:58] <annevk> MS: what I wanted to say about this is that a designated place to talk about this is good
  705. # [18:58] * DanC sees he's already in... http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
  706. # [18:58] <annevk> MS: I'd like it to be as open to participation as well
  707. # [18:58] * rubys notes that MS is ambiguous, Maciej? Manu? Microsoft? :-)
  708. # [18:59] * mjs you can minute me as MJS
  709. # [18:59] * annevk Manu is not on the call :)
  710. # [18:59] * annevk mkay
  711. # [18:59] <annevk> s/MS/MJS/s
  712. # [18:59] <rubys> ack danc
  713. # [18:59] * Zakim unmutes DanC
  714. # [18:59] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  715. # [18:59] * annevk should I minute this?
  716. # [18:59] <annevk> Topic: chairs
  717. # [18:59] <annevk> SR: two new chairs: PC and MJS
  718. # [19:00] <annevk> MJS: hi Working Group; I've been here for a while, you probably know me. I'd like to focus on identifying the key issues that prevent us from getting to Last Call and solving them. I'd hope to keep my own technical opinions outside of these discussions.
  719. # [19:00] <annevk> ... I want to focus on getting them resolved
  720. # [19:01] <annevk> PC: I'm Paul Cotton and live in Canada and travel to Seattle back and forth. Involved with the W3C for over 10 years. Did the XML Query WG for six years. We've had 1200 last call comments on that specification.
  721. # [19:01] * mjs predicts we will break that record...
  722. # [19:02] <annevk> ... That WG published 8 recommendations
  723. # [19:02] <annevk> ... Work was very spread out where the TFs did a lot of the work and the WG made the decisions
  724. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Stevef
  725. # [19:02] <annevk> ... I was also involved in the XXX policy WG and have been elected to the AB and the TAG
  726. # [19:02] * rubys wouldn't want to bet against mjs's prediction
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  728. # [19:03] <Julian> s/xxx/WS/
  729. # [19:03] <annevk> ... I'm here to make sure that we can produce one or more recommendations. And to be sure I'm not going to take Microsoft technical positions.
  730. # [19:03] <annevk> ... I want to get to a successful Last Call and even more important a Candidate Recommendation that can be widely used by users/vendors
  731. # [19:03] <annevk> CW: I don't know what to say. What a long strange trip it's been [indeed].
  732. # [19:04] <annevk> ... I still plan on being involved but probably less than in the past.
  733. # [19:04] <rubys> next agendum
  734. # [19:04] * Zakim thinks agendum 6. "Discuss the change in chairs" taken up [from rubys]
  735. # [19:04] <annevk> ... It will be interesting to see how quick you can get something out there.
  736. # [19:04] <rubys> next agendum
  737. # [19:04] * Zakim thinks agendum 6 was just opened
  738. # [19:04] <Laura> Chris: Thanks for all of your work
  739. # [19:04] <annevk> DS: thanks CW for everything you've done
  740. # [19:04] <annevk> SR: hear hear
  741. # [19:04] <rubys> next agendum
  742. # [19:04] * Zakim thinks agendum 6 was just opened
  743. # [19:04] <annevk> [scribe agrees!]
  744. # [19:04] <DanC> Zakim, take up item 7
  745. # [19:04] <Zakim> agendum 7. "are the resolutions of closed issues easy enough to find?" taken up [from DanC]
  746. # [19:04] <annevk> [but is muted]
  747. # [19:04] <ChrisWilson> zaki, take up item 7
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  751. # [19:05] <annevk> DC: there are a couple of issues that got closed recently and I was thinking about changing the closed issues to clearly mark the decision
  752. # [19:05] <annevk> DC: have to run
  753. # [19:05] <mjs> DanC, I agree, I'll try to do that for the ones I closed recently
  754. # [19:05] <annevk> DC: something to think about
  755. # [19:05] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  756. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Masinter
  757. # [19:05] <annevk> SR: meeting adjourned
  758. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
  759. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Matt
  760. # [19:05] <Zakim> -cyns
  761. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Sam
  762. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Julian
  763. # [19:05] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  764. # [19:05] <annevk> [scribe says bye]
  765. # [19:05] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
  766. # [19:05] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  767. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  768. # [19:05] <Zakim> -DanC
  769. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Laura
  770. # [19:05] * rubys thanks scribe
  771. # [19:05] <Zakim> -adrianba
  772. # [19:05] <annevk> RRSAgent, yo, make minutes
  773. # [19:05] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'yo, make minutes', annevk. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  774. # [19:05] <Zakim> -smedero
  775. # [19:06] <Zakim> -kliehm
  776. # [19:06] <annevk> RRSAgent, make minutes
  777. # [19:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-html-wg-minutes.html annevk
  778. # [19:06] <Zakim> -Cooper
  779. # [19:06] <Zakim> -annevk
  780. # [19:06] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  781. # [19:06] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  782. # [19:06] <Zakim> -Jerry
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  785. # [19:06] <johndrinkwater> ah good
  786. # [19:07] <mjs> I hope at some point we can get Zakim to be happy with bigger telecons without the need for human intervention
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  788. # [19:10] <MikeSmith> mjs: I suppose we could at least as to up the limit to 25
  789. # [19:10] <DanC> mjs, just write to adminreq, per http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/TeleconferenceHowTo.htm
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  807. # [19:33] <Zakim> -paulc
  808. # [19:33] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  809. # [19:33] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Sam, ChrisWilson, Cooper, annevk, Laura, DanC, Matt, MikeSmith, Julian, +1.703.234.aaaa, Masinter, Jerry, paulc, kliehm, adrianba, Stevef,
  810. # [19:33] <Zakim> ... Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Radhika_Roy, smedero, cyns, dsinger, Maciej, Shepazu
  811. # [19:34] * smedero wonders if we can dismiss RRSAgent
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  813. # [19:35] <annevk> ja
  814. # [19:35] <smedero> RRSAgent, goodbye
  815. # [19:35] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'goodbye', smedero. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  816. # [19:35] <smedero> RRSAgent, bye
  817. # [19:35] <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/13-html-wg-actions.rdf :
  818. # [19:36] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Doug look at ways to integrate test from browsers into a WG test suite [1]
  819. # [19:36] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/13-html-wg-irc#T16-51-31
  820. # [19:36] <RRSAgent> ACTION: cynthia to send draft to the list, due in three weeks [2]
  821. # [19:36] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-html-wg-irc#T16-14-36
  822. # [19:36] <RRSAgent> ACTION: stevenf to produce a matrix based on Henri's work, due: 2 weeks [3]
  823. # [19:36] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-html-wg-irc#T16-17-24
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  825. # [19:36] <smedero> annevk: thanks for scribing
  826. # [19:37] <annevk> np
  827. # [19:37] <annevk> i wish we'd just had recordings with automatic transcripts
  828. # [19:37] <annevk> ala google voice
  829. # [19:38] <mjs> annevk: are there any free automatic transcription services?
  830. # [19:39] <annevk> not that I know of
  831. # [19:47] <smedero> open source wise there is stuff like http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/
  832. # [19:48] <smedero> CMU also provides a acoustic segmentation (think, speaker segmentation) package ... I think NIST distributes it
  833. # [19:49] <smedero> if you poke around NIST or DARPA some you'd probably find some other packages focused on meeting transcriptions... though they've been more focused of late on people physically in a room then teleconferences.
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  849. # [20:33] <smedero> looks like there are encoding issues in the spec-author-view
  850. # [20:33] <smedero> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/spec.html#a-quick-introduction-to-html
  851. # [20:33] <smedero> underneath "The markup snippet at the top of this section would be turned into the following DOM tree:"
  852. # [20:34] <smedero> "#text: ⏎␣␣"
  853. # [20:34] <smedero> in the spec this is really "#text: ⏎␣␣"
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  858. # [20:57] <DanC> action-108?
  859. # [20:57] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-108
  860. # [20:57] <trackbot> ACTION-108 -- Larry Masinter to report back on the TAG's work on versioning wrt HTML -- due 2009-08-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  861. # [20:57] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/108
  862. # [20:57] <DanC> didn't we close that one?
  863. # [20:57] <DanC> close ACTION-108
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  865. # [20:57] <trackbot> ACTION-108 Report back on the TAG's work on versioning wrt HTML closed
  866. # [20:57] * DanC confirms in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-html-wg-minutes.html
  867. # [21:00] * jgraham guesses that the author view should be generated with --output-encoding=ascii
  868. # [21:02] <DanC> close ACTION-135
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  870. # [21:02] <trackbot> ACTION-135 Seek review from Dick Bulterman closed
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