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  13. # [02:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7059] Forking XPath <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0183.html>
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  18. # [02:33] <MikeSmith> @planet
  19. # [02:33] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: HTML 5 <video> - webcam integration? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1318834/html-5-video-webcam-integration> ** This Summer in HTML 5 – Episode 33 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-summer-in-html-5-episode-33> ** Canvas Tutorial / Reference <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1334216/canvas-tutorial-reference> ** Maxwell's Silver Hammer: RDFa and HTML5's Microdata (4 more messages)
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  24. # [03:14] <MikeSmith> @planet
  25. # [03:14] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: HTML 5 <video> - webcam integration? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1318834/html-5-video-webcam-integration> ** This Summer in HTML 5 – Episode 33 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-summer-in-html-5-episode-33> ** Canvas Tutorial / Reference <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1334216/canvas-tutorial-reference> ** Maxwell's Silver Hammer: RDFa and HTML5's Microdata (4 more messages)
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  28. # [03:40] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5: normativity & authoring guides <http://edward.oconnor.cx/2009/09/normativity> ** Venus Updates <http://intertwingly.net/blog/2009/09/09/Venus-Updates> ** Mobile and HTML5, the 3rd Future Web Forum in Korea <http://www.mozilla.or.kr/zine/?p=928> ** URI doesn't validate on W3C Markup Validator, identical direct input does <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1291443/uri-doesnt-validate-on-w3c-markup-validator-identical-d
  29. # [03:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7551] People are using <section> incorrectly <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0185.html> ** [Bug 7556] Where is it defined that only the first <base> element is to be taken into account? Surely that should not be part of iri-bis. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0184.html>
  30. # [05:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7559] New: What happens when an "option" element has its "selected" attribute removed? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0186.html>
  31. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> action-123?
  32. # [05:25] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-123
  33. # [05:25] <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Sam Ruby to discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5 -- due 2009-09-05 -- OPEN
  34. # [05:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/123
  35. # [05:25] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-123 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  36. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> action-123 due 2009-10-10
  37. # [05:25] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-123.
  38. # [05:25] <trackbot> ACTION-123 Discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5 due date now 2009-10-10
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  44. # [07:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7560] New: The following sentence could be made more clear, or given an example to indicate what is meant: "The otherwise optional U+000A LINE FEED (LF) character must be included if the element's contents start with that character" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0187.html>
  45. # [07:22] <MikeSmith> issue-55?
  46. # [07:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-55
  47. # [07:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-55 -- head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats -- OPEN
  48. # [07:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/55
  49. # [07:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-55 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  56. # [10:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7059] Forking XPath <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0188.html>
  57. # [10:24] <MikeSmith> mjs: are you planning to call into the RDFa task-force call? from Ben's message, it seem unclear that they are prepared to have any specific discussion yet
  58. # [10:25] <mjs> MikeSmith: my plan is no (I would if Sam planned to and asked me to join)
  59. # [10:25] <MikeSmith> OK
  60. # [10:25] <mjs> I do plan to call into the HTML WG telecon, to which end I suppose I should go to sleep soon
  61. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> .t San Francisco
  62. # [10:26] <phenny> MikeSmith: Sorry, I don't know about the 'San Francisco' timezone.
  63. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> .t US/West
  64. # [10:26] <phenny> MikeSmith: Sorry, I don't know about the 'US/West' timezone.
  65. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> .t PDT
  66. # [10:26] <phenny> Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:20:24 PDT
  67. # [10:27] <MikeSmith> mjs: man, it's still early.. I know you don't need any more than 5 hours of sleep (笑)
  68. # [10:27] <mjs> :-p
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  70. # [10:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7284] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0190.html> ** [Bug 7561] New: There's no UA conformance criteria for <meta name>, in particular nothing about case-insensitivity. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0189.html>
  71. # [10:46] <MikeSmith> anne: I would really like to figure out why the Planet HTML5 venus consistently gets 500 for your feed
  72. # [10:46] <MikeSmith> I'm wondering if your ISP might be blocking it based on IP address or something
  73. # [10:47] <MikeSmith> maybe you could check your access logs and see if you spot anything
  74. # [10:49] <anne> what is the IP?
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  76. # [10:55] <anne> MikeSmith, maybe I fixed something
  77. # [10:55] <anne> MikeSmith, apparently I've been sending out bogus Not Modified headers for a while
  78. # [10:59] <MikeSmith> anne: IP is 128.30.54.11
  79. # [11:00] <MikeSmith> anne: yeah, seems to be fixed now
  80. # [11:00] <MikeSmith> thanks!
  81. # [11:01] <jgraham> MikeSmith: BTW, do you know if it is possible to change ones email address on W3C bugzilla?
  82. # [11:06] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I can change it. I have change addresses before for others and it seemed to work - in that it also changed it automatically in all existing bugs the user was CC'ed on
  83. # [11:06] <MikeSmith> action-141?
  84. # [11:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-141
  85. # [11:06] <trackbot> ACTION-141 -- Maciej Stachowiak to document Last Call comment process -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
  86. # [11:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/141
  87. # [11:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-141 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  88. # [11:11] <pimpbot> planet: Carsonified » How to Draw with HTML 5 Canvas <http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/html-5-dev/how-to-draw-with-html-5-canvas/> ** Detecting HTML 5 Features: http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html #html5 #diveintohtml5 @KuraFire @Modernizr <http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/3857638710>
  89. # [11:12] <anne> Julian, are you trying to get me to sort out your issues?
  90. # [11:13] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <link> examples (whatwg r3787) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0047.html> ** hixie: <base> example. (whatwg r3786) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0046.html> ** hixie: <head> examples (whatwg r3785) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0045.html>
  91. # [11:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7561] There's no UA conformance criteria for <meta name>, in particular nothing about case-insensitivity. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0193.html> ** [Bug 7286] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0192.html> ** [Bug 7285] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0191.html>
  92. # [11:14] <anne> Julian, I have a hard time following the BNF character ranges
  93. # [11:15] * anne spots another plausible bug in the definition of URL in iri-bis
  94. # [11:17] <anne> strip leading and trailing space characters is turned into strip leading and trailing U+0020 characters
  95. # [11:17] * anne sighs
  96. # [11:18] * anne wonders if reviewing is worth his time
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  98. # [11:22] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Would you mind changing my jg307@cam.ac.uk account to something that I have access to like jgraham @ opera or so
  99. # [11:26] <MikeSmith> jgraham: OK, done
  100. # [11:26] <MikeSmith> I also set editbugs perms for you
  101. # [11:27] <jgraham> MikeSmith: You are awesome. Thanks
  102. # [11:28] <jgraham> ;)
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  104. # [11:36] <Julian> Anne, "my issues"?
  105. # [11:41] <anne> well, I couldn't care less about LEIRIs
  106. # [11:42] <anne> oh lol, they're even open to three variants
  107. # [11:42] <anne> interop ftw i guess
  108. # [11:43] <Julian> NIH syndrome?
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  110. # [11:43] <Julian> As far as I can tell, LEIRIs try to address similar problems as those HTML5-URLs do, so it makes a lot of sense to look at the overlap.
  111. # [11:43] <anne> Julian, if that's what you want to call it
  112. # [11:44] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <style> example. (whatwg r3790) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0050.html> ** hixie: <meta> examples. (whatwg r3789) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0049.html> ** hixie: Mention that <meta name> is case-insensitive. (whatwg r3788) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0048.html>
  113. # [11:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7288] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0195.html> ** [Bug 7287] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0194.html>
  114. # [11:44] <anne> Julian, the work so far on iri-bis does not give me much faith it will go well
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  116. # [11:50] <Julian> Anne, I have to agree; in particular as its progress depends on IDNABIS.
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  121. # [12:14] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: minor editorial issues (whatwg r3792) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0052.html> ** hixie: <script> example. (whatwg r3791) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0051.html>
  122. # [12:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7289] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0196.html>
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  129. # [13:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7551] People are using <section> incorrectly <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0197.html>
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  133. # [13:44] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: The links actually have to make sense, also. (whatwg r3795) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0054.html> ** hixie: <noscript> example (whatwg r3793) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0053.html>
  134. # [13:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7290] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0198.html>
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  141. # [14:42] <pimpbot> planet: HTML vs. XHTML - WHATWG Wiki <http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HTML_vs._XHTML>
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  143. # [14:50] <Julian> can somebody remind me who was going to revise http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-stylesheet/ (and where?)
  144. # [14:50] <pimpbot> Title: Associating Style Sheets with XML documents (at www.w3.org)
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  146. # [14:52] <annevk> see public-xml-core archives
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  148. # [14:52] <annevk> hmm, public-xml-core-wg
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  151. # [14:57] <Julian> thx
  152. # [14:58] <Julian> now if the spec wasn't non-public... sigh...
  153. # [14:58] <Julian> ah, found a public copy
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  157. # [15:01] <annevk> Simon should have a non-public copy somewhere
  158. # [15:02] <Julian> yes, on simon.html5.org
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  173. # [16:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7059] Forking XPath <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0199.html>
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  181. # [17:02] <takkaria> hm, the telecon is later
  182. # [17:05] <jgraham> takkaria: You attending?
  183. # [17:08] <takkaria> I don't think I'll be calling in
  184. # [17:08] <takkaria> I'm not even sure that I can, since I'm still down as an independent invited expert on the WG and not an Opera employee
  185. # [17:13] <rubys1> the telecon is not limited to W3C members
  186. # [17:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7059] Forking XPath" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0200.html>
  187. # [17:15] <takkaria> I was under the understanding that if I'm an Opera employee I should be marked as such or I shouldn't be part of the WG anymore without approval or anything
  188. # [17:15] <takkaria> my solution was just not to do anything with the WG for the months I'm an Opera employee :)
  189. # [17:16] <Dashiva> Yeah, I was transferred to Opera's group when I interned
  190. # [17:16] <takkaria> all I'd want to do is draw attention to http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Testsuite
  191. # [17:16] <pimpbot> Title: Testsuite - WHATWG Wiki (at wiki.whatwg.org)
  192. # [17:16] <Dashiva> (And then I never bothered to sign up again after I finished)
  193. # [17:17] <takkaria> Dashiva: I'm just lying low, since it seemed like the easier option
  194. # [17:17] <anne> rubys1, hmm, regrets from me
  195. # [17:18] <jgraham> The CSS testsuite format seems kinda heavyweight
  196. # [17:18] <jgraham> Like it looks like the boilerplate is likely to be longer than the test in many cases. Which is bad
  197. # [17:19] <Dashiva> takkaria: In retrospect, maybe that's the best solution
  198. # [17:20] <takkaria> as it has been noted before, for the test work, someone has to just start getting things actually moving and the rest will follow
  199. # [17:21] <anne> for a lot of the tests you also want to use a simple JavaScript framework
  200. # [17:21] <anne> or maybe reftests
  201. # [17:21] * Philip really doesn't like boilerplate at all
  202. # [17:21] <takkaria> it would be nice if the HTMLWG testcases could be converted into the test format WebKit uses
  203. # [17:22] <Philip> to the extent that I'll write a thousand lines of Python code, so that the test cases themselves have zero boilerplate
  204. # [17:22] <gsnedders> takkaria: You need to be marked as an Opera employee for the sake of the patent policy
  205. # [17:23] <gsnedders> takkaria: (And that goes for any W3C mailing list that operates under the patent policy, including those that anyone can subscribe to like public-webapps)
  206. # [17:24] <takkaria> I see
  207. # [17:26] <Philip> takkaria: Why the test format WebKit uses?
  208. # [17:26] <Philip> (compared to e.g. the ones that anyone else uses)
  209. # [17:26] <Philip> Also, which of the test formats that WebKit uses?
  210. # [17:31] <takkaria> Philip: LayoutTests
  211. # [17:32] <takkaria> mostly because they're pretty restricive
  212. # [17:32] <takkaria> *restrictive
  213. # [17:32] <takkaria> and if you can write tests that work via a shim with LayoutTests, I think you should be able to make that shim work with Fx tests too
  214. # [17:32] <takkaria> and I imagine most other testing systems you'd like
  215. # [17:33] <takkaria> it would be nice to know the IE team's thoughts on this, really
  216. # [17:33] * jgraham remembers being somewhat skeptical of the Webkit tests when he looked at it with gsnedders but doesn't remember why
  217. # [17:33] <Philip> One problem Mozilla had with the canvas tests is there were too many individual files and it took ages to run them all, so they've changed it now to combine them all into a single file
  218. # [17:34] <gsnedders> takkaria: reftests are surely better, though… WebKit has fun when they change default styles…
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  220. # [17:34] <Philip> so it's more complex than a direct translation of one input test case into one browser-specific executable HTML test case
  221. # [17:35] <Philip> (though not that much more)
  222. # [17:35] <takkaria> gsnedders: well, I'm just thinking from the point of view of plugging whatever WG tests are made into browser testing suites
  223. # [17:36] <Philip> gsnedders: Something like canvas tests can't be reftests, because there's no pixel-correctness requirement (e.g. someone could change the antialiasing algorithm and it shouldn't matter)
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  226. # [17:37] <Philip> (I presume they can't be layout tests either, since they're not doing any layout)
  227. # [17:39] <jgraham> In general reftests are probably not quite right for HTML compared to CSS (where theyare ideal)
  228. # [17:39] <jgraham> (although they do make sense in some cases)
  229. # [17:39] <gsnedders> For HTML we more want something like the html5lib tests, no?
  230. # [17:39] <takkaria> LayoutTests in Webkit are a slightly misleading name since they don't necessarily test layout
  231. # [17:39] <jgraham> (like maybe <video poster>)
  232. # [17:40] <jgraham> takkaria: IIRC the webkit layout tests had some custom hooks in the browser
  233. # [17:40] <takkaria> they can be used in such a way that you compare the expected innerText of the document with teh actual innerText
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  236. # [17:41] <jgraham> I thought that covered some but not all of the functionality
  237. # [17:41] <Philip> gsnedders: The html5lib tests are generally hard to test in browsers
  238. # [17:41] <takkaria> jgraham: yeah, I think you can do other stuff too but I've not looked into it too heavily
  239. # [17:41] <Philip> e.g. if you wanted to use the tokeniser tests
  240. # [17:41] <gsnedders> Philip: Not really.
  241. # [17:41] <gsnedders> Philip: Well, yeah, but the full parser tests are fine
  242. # [17:42] <takkaria> but if we can design the tests such that they can mostly be shimmed into something like WebKit's text out format, that wuold be nice
  243. # [17:42] <gsnedders> http://gsnedders.html5.org/html5lib-tests/runner.html
  244. # [17:42] <pimpbot> Title: html5lib test runner (at gsnedders.html5.org)
  245. # [17:43] <Philip> I think I like the idea of writing tests in a boilerplate-free format, like html5lib parser ones, and then automatically transforming into browser-executable tests, because that makes them easy to write and easy to use in non-browser contexts (e.g. testing html5lib)
  246. # [17:43] <takkaria> yeah, it's a good one
  247. # [17:43] <Philip> That seems more useful than the test suite just being a set of HTML files you can only run in a browser
  248. # [17:43] <takkaria> the testsuite is inevitably going to have a bunch of different formats. no one format is going to fit all the use-cases
  249. # [17:44] <takkaria> and I imagine a chunk of them will be authored in JS and HTML
  250. # [17:47] <DanC> issue-78?
  251. # [17:47] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-78
  252. # [17:47] <trackbot> Getting info on ISSUE-78 failed - alert sysreq of a possible bug
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  254. # [17:48] <Philip> Oops
  255. # [17:50] <jgraham> I'm somewhat torn on whether the html5lib tests should have descriptions. On the one hand they can be nice, on the other thay can be horribly misleading and tedious to write
  256. # [17:52] <Philip> In what cases is it useful to have the descriptions?
  257. # [17:53] <Philip> I guess one case is when the spec changes, and the tests need to be updated, and some might become redundant if they were meant to be testing a feature that was removed, and so you might want to remove the test case, but not if that feature was incidental and it's intending to test something else
  258. # [17:54] <Philip> and so you want to know the intention of the person who wrote the test
  259. # [17:54] <Philip> but maybe it's easier to just accept redundant test cases, and never bother trying to prune them, because they don't hurt much
  260. # [17:55] <jgraham> It is sometimes somewhat useful to have an idea of what the testcase was supposed to test
  261. # [17:55] <jgraham> Especially if a bunch of tests fail and they all have similar descriptions
  262. # [17:56] <jgraham> But that doesn't always work because tests usually test more than one thing
  263. # [17:56] <Philip> Should the tests be written with some kind of structure/organisation, as a way of making sure they're testing everything?
  264. # [17:57] <Philip> If so, that might provide a natural way to name them
  265. # [17:57] <Philip> (like all the names in http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/ )
  266. # [17:57] <pimpbot> Title: Canvas tests - index (at philip.html5.org)
  267. # [17:57] <jgraham> It would be interesting to get some sort of spec coverage statistics for the tests
  268. # [17:57] <jgraham> But I don't quite know how you would do that for non-trivial cases
  269. # [17:58] <Philip> but it's much harder to think of names when you've got a random hodge-podge of interesting cases or regression cases etc
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  271. # [18:02] <takkaria> I started writing systematic tests for the html5 treebuilder algorithm with hubbub but I imagine they will be outdated now
  272. # [18:02] <takkaria> the idea was just to test that each of the different cases in any given treebuilder phase would be executed
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  276. # [18:03] <takkaria> the descriptions were tedious as hell to write
  277. # [18:04] <paulc> Paul is present and ready to start.
  278. # [18:04] * Philip should resurrect his OCaml meta-parser, since it's kind of fun and could be useful for this kind of testing
  279. # [18:04] <Philip> but it'd probably take a couple of weeks of solid work :-(
  280. # [18:04] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  281. # [18:05] <mjs> hello
  282. # [18:05] <Julian> trackbot left us 20 minutes ago
  283. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> looks like we have no trackbot today
  284. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> yeah, w3c systems team is working on it
  285. # [18:05] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0417.html
  286. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-09 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
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  288. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, this will be HTML
  289. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  290. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  291. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  292. # [18:06] <paulc> Proposed scribe is rubys
  293. # [18:06] <DanC> issue-78?
  294. # [18:06] <rubys> scribe: rubys
  295. # [18:07] <paulc> I saw your note Dan - we will deal with it when we get to that agenda item.
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  298. # [18:07] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  299. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Matt
  300. # [18:07] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  301. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Cooper
  302. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  303. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  304. # [18:07] <DanC> I was testing trackbot, paulc . still losing.
  305. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +1.703.234.aaaa, +49.251.280.aabb, Matt, Cooper (muted)
  306. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  307. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Mike
  308. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Sam
  309. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aacc
  310. # [18:08] <paulc> I have audio but I don't think you can hear me.
  311. # [18:08] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aabb is me
  312. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aadd
  313. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  315. # [18:08] * rubys can't hear paul
  316. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  317. # [18:08] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  318. # [18:08] <Zakim> -Mike
  319. # [18:08] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aadd is me
  320. # [18:08] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  321. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  322. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  323. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Mike
  324. # [18:08] * jmb takkaria, did those make it into svn?
  325. # [18:09] * shepazu zakim, call Shunsuke
  326. # [18:09] * Zakim apologizes, shepazu; he does not know a number for Shunsuke
  327. # [18:09] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  328. # [18:09] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  329. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Shepazu
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  331. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aaee
  332. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Paul_Cotton
  333. # [18:09] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  334. # [18:09] <DanC> Regrets+ DanC
  335. # [18:09] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, 1.206.850.aaee is me
  336. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '1.206.850.aaee'
  337. # [18:10] * DanC thinks 3 ppl from the W3C team is plenty
  338. # [18:10] <Zakim> -Mike
  339. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  340. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  341. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Mike
  342. # [18:10] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, 206.850 is me
  343. # [18:10] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '206.850'
  344. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.425.614.aaff
  345. # [18:10] <Julian> Zakim, +1.206.850.aaee is Eliot_Graff
  346. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  347. # [18:11] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  348. # [18:11] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.234.aaaa, Julian, Matt, Cooper, Mike, Sam, +1.218.340.aacc, mjs, Shepazu, Eliot_Graff, Paul_Cotton, +1.425.614.aaff
  349. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  350. # [18:11] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  351. # [18:11] <Zakim> -Mike
  352. # [18:11] * takkaria jmb they're in hubbub's repo, but I never committed them back upstream
  353. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  354. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  355. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Mike
  356. # [18:12] * jmb takkaria aha, ok. my memory is failing me again, then -- I didn't recall seeing any :)
  357. # [18:12] <rubys> zakim, aaff is adrian
  358. # [18:12] <Zakim> +adrian; got it
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  360. # [18:12] <rubys> zakim, aacc is laura
  361. # [18:12] <Zakim> +laura; got it
  362. # [18:12] <rubys> zakim, aaaa is jerry ezrol
  363. # [18:12] <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is jerry ezrol', rubys
  364. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Rich
  365. # [18:13] <rubys> zakim, aaaa is jerryEzrol
  366. # [18:13] <Zakim> +jerryEzrol; got it
  367. # [18:13] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0417.html
  368. # [18:14] <rubys> paul: we are going to review 6 due and overdue actions, one new issue, no issues proposed to be closed, then we will touch on the proposed tasks forces
  369. # [18:15] <rubys> topic: ISSUE-73/ACTION-123: Discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5
  370. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
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  373. # [18:16] <rubys> rubys: the plan is that this data will go out of the spec, once it is out of the spec, there is no coor issue?
  374. # [18:16] <rubys> rubys: julain: I've contacted the IETF.. and they haven't responded
  375. # [18:16] <rubys> rubys: paulc: you moved the date?
  376. # [18:17] <rubys> rubys: rubys: that's the date that it should be moved out of the spec
  377. # [18:17] <rubys> rubys: julian: if it is moved out of the spec, I'm happy with that
  378. # [18:17] <rubys> paulc: do we need something more specific in the action?
  379. # [18:18] <rubys> paulc: new due date will be october 1
  380. # [18:18] <rubys> topic: SSUE-31/ACTION-131: Draft ALT spec [Steve Faulkner]
  381. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: is steve on the call?
  382. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, makee minutes
  383. # [18:19] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makee minutes', MikeSmith. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  384. # [18:19] <Laura> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/img.html
  385. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  386. # [18:19] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  387. # [18:19] <rubys> laura: I believe he has been working on it
  388. # [18:19] <Laura> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/textalternatives.html
  389. # [18:19] <rubys> michaelc: I can't give you a precise timeline
  390. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: I'll get in contact with Steve and get a new date...
  391. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: how about a two weeks extension?
  392. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> action-131 due 2009-09-21
  393. # [18:21] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-131.
  394. # [18:21] <trackbot> ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec due date now 2009-09-21
  395. # [18:21] <paulc> Paul will follow up with Steve to check on revised date of ACTION-131
  396. # [18:22] <rubys> topic: SSUE-63/ACTION-96: to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec [Henri Sivonen]
  397. # [18:22] <Zakim> +kliehm
  398. # [18:22] <rubys> s/SSUE/ISSUE/
  399. # [18:22] <kliehm> zakim, mute me
  400. # [18:22] <Zakim> kliehm should now be muted
  401. # [18:22] <rubys> mike: I added a comment, and I do think it can be closed
  402. # [18:23] <rubys> mike: action can be closed (issue can remain open)
  403. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> action-96?
  404. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-96
  405. # [18:23] <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-09-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  406. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/96
  407. # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: why do you say that his action is closed?
  408. # [18:24] <rubys> paulc: if the actual work hasn't been done, we shouldn't close the action
  409. # [18:25] <rubys> mike: the origin header is still mentioned, but it is unclear what action we should take (if any), henri's action is now moot
  410. # [18:25] <shepazu> ISSUE-63?
  411. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-63
  412. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-63 -- Origin header: in scope? required for this release? -- OPEN
  413. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/63
  414. # [18:25] <shepazu> q+
  415. # [18:25] * Zakim sees shepazu on the speaker queue
  416. # [18:25] <rubys> mike: [explains what the spec says re: origin]
  417. # [18:27] <rubys> paulc: proposal is to close action 96, noting that the issue is still open
  418. # [18:27] <Julian> q+
  419. # [18:27] * Zakim sees shepazu, Julian on the speaker queue
  420. # [18:27] <rubys> ack next
  421. # [18:27] * Zakim sees shepazu at the head of the speaker queue
  422. # [18:27] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  423. # [18:27] <rubys> ack next
  424. # [18:27] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  425. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  426. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> action-96: there are still references to Origin in the spec, but as far as this particular, it has essentically been "overtaken by events" -- changes in the spec have rendered the particular action moot
  427. # [18:27] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-96.
  428. # [18:27] <trackbot> ACTION-96 to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec notes added
  429. # [18:27] <shepazu> q-
  430. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  431. # [18:27] <shepazu> q-
  432. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  433. # [18:28] <rubys> julian: is origin now known as sec-from?
  434. # [18:28] <mjs> q+
  435. # [18:28] * Zakim sees mjs on the speaker queue
  436. # [18:28] <rubys> rubys: my understanding is that sec-from addresses the origin use header use cases
  437. # [18:28] <rubys> ack next
  438. # [18:28] * Zakim sees mjs at the head of the speaker queue
  439. # [18:28] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  440. # [18:29] <rubys> mjs: indeed sec-from is a header that addresses the same use case, and is written in a way that won't need to be referenced from the HTML spec
  441. # [18:29] <mjs> q-
  442. # [18:29] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  443. # [18:29] <rubys> close action-96
  444. # [18:29] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-96.
  445. # [18:29] <trackbot> ACTION-96 to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec closed
  446. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> close action-96
  447. # [18:29] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-96.
  448. # [18:29] <trackbot> ACTION-96 to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec closed
  449. # [18:30] <rubys> topic: ISSUE-35/ACTION-138: Produce a matrix based on Henri's work [Steve Faulkner]
  450. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: can anyone give us an update?
  451. # [18:30] <rubys> mcooper: actively being developed and is being merged with other work
  452. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: suggest moving this out two weeks...
  453. # [18:31] <rubys> action-138 due +2 weeks
  454. # [18:31] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-138.
  455. # [18:31] <trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due date now +2 weeks
  456. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> action-138 due 2009-09-24
  457. # [18:31] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-138.
  458. # [18:31] <trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due date now 2009-09-24
  459. # [18:31] <rubys> topic: ISSUE-32/ACTION-136: Send draft to the list, due in three weeks [Matthew May]
  460. # [18:32] <rubys> mattmay: I've pushed it out a week
  461. # [18:32] <Laura> Draft on wai-xtech http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2009Sep/0054.html
  462. # [18:32] <rubys> topic: ACTION-38: Chairs to review need for amending charter with Director [Paul Cotton]
  463. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> action-136?
  464. # [18:32] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-136
  465. # [18:32] <trackbot> ACTION-136 -- Matthew May to send draft to the list, due in three weeks -- due 2009-09-17 -- OPEN
  466. # [18:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/136
  467. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: I've double checked and Microsoft does not wish to pursue this issue, and I've checked and don't believe that the creation of task forces will require a charter update
  468. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: issue-64 notes a potential charter concern, and we dealt with that last week and there is a call for consensus open...
  469. # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: I don't believe that there is any reason to keep this action open...
  470. # [18:34] * kliehm action-38?
  471. # [18:34] <Julian> action-38?
  472. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-38
  473. # [18:34] <trackbot> ACTION-38 -- Paul Cotton to chairs to review need for amending charter with Director -- due 2009-09-10 -- OPEN
  474. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/38
  475. # [18:35] <rubys> jerryezrol: closing this action doesn't affect issue-64
  476. # [18:35] <rubys> paulc: no, I propose that we close action-38
  477. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> close action-38
  478. # [18:35] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-38.
  479. # [18:35] <trackbot> ACTION-38 Chairs to review need for amending charter with Director closed
  480. # [18:35] <rubys> paulc: any other actions?
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  482. # [18:35] <rubys> topic: ISSUE 78: Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses
  483. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  484. # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  485. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> issue-78?
  486. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-78
  487. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses -- RAISED
  488. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/78
  489. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> issue-56?
  490. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-56
  491. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- OPEN
  492. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
  493. # [18:36] <rubys> paulc: is this a dupe of issue-56 (per DanC's note to the list)?
  494. # [18:37] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  495. # [18:37] <rubys> mike: there are two different issues... issue-56 is about the spec text, issue-78 is about the term.
  496. # [18:37] <ChrisWilson> zakim, microsoft is me
  497. # [18:37] <Zakim> +ChrisWilson; got it
  498. # [18:37] * rubys agrees with mike
  499. # [18:38] <DanC> you really want 2 separate issues? 2 separate discussions? I don't. But oh well.
  500. # [18:38] <rubys> paulc: so strongly related, but not a dupe?
  501. # [18:38] <rubys> mike: yes
  502. # [18:39] <rubys> paulc: these issues can be addressed separately....
  503. # [18:39] <rubys> paulc: at the moment, neither have actions?
  504. # [18:39] <rubys> mike: not at the moment
  505. # [18:40] <rubys> topic: Review of issues proposed to be closed: NONE.
  506. # [18:40] <rubys> paul: no issues were no nominated this week
  507. # [18:40] <MikeSmith> issue-78: during 2009-09-10 telcon we resolved that this issue is not a duplication of issue 56 and so it should be kept open
  508. # [18:40] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-78.
  509. # [18:40] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses notes added
  510. # [18:40] <rubys> topic: Joint HTML and PF WG Accessibility Task Force
  511. # [18:41] <rubys> paulc: co-chairs had an (implicit) action item to discuss how to proceed, and I've sent an email to the list with an 8 point outline, and the PF working group agrees
  512. # [18:42] <rubys> paulc: the only thing holding the co-chairs back is further comment (if any) and an action on plh to check into from a patent policy point of view
  513. # [18:42] <rubys> action: plh look into some questions we have about how the W3C Patent Policy obligations would apply to a joint TF.
  514. # [18:42] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  515. # [18:42] * RRSAgent records action 1
  516. # [18:42] <trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Look into some questions we have about how the W3C Patent Policy obligations would apply to a joint TF. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2009-09-17].
  517. # [18:43] <rubys> mcooper: plh suggested that this could be simply a task force of the html working group
  518. # [18:43] <kliehm> Philippe's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0460.html
  519. # [18:43] <rubys> mcooper: that might work, but I think the PF working group would prefer a joint maindate
  520. # [18:44] <rubys> s/maindate/mandate/
  521. # [18:44] * shepazu wonders what "mandate" means here?
  522. # [18:45] <rubys> paulc: the suggestion was a way to make the patent policy issue go away... should we revisit this next week?
  523. # [18:45] <rubys> mcooper: we won't have a teleconference next week... I would hate to have this delayed for two weeks...
  524. # [18:46] <rubys> rubys: can we start out with an HTML task force and change it if (and only if) there is an objection?
  525. # [18:46] <rubys> rubys: mike: I would suggest that we resolve this up front
  526. # [18:46] <rubys> rubys: paulc: I agree with mike
  527. # [18:47] <rubys> paulc: mcooper, please reply to plh's note on the list
  528. # [18:49] <rubys> close action 142
  529. # [18:49] <rubys> topic: HTML WG Testing Task Force
  530. # [18:50] <rubys> paulc: looking for volunteers, already have one (Jason)
  531. # [18:50] <rubys> paulc: [notes discussion that has already occurred on the list]
  532. # [18:50] <rubys> paulc: any comments on the call?
  533. # [18:50] <rubys> paulc: volunteers should respond either to the co-chairs or the list
  534. # [18:51] <rubys> paulc: I recommend that the co-chairs simply set up this task force
  535. # [18:51] <rubys> paulc: I'm aware of some w3c work in the past week... any update?
  536. # [18:52] <rubys> doug: we are not quite production ready, we should ready to discuss it on the 15th
  537. # [18:53] <takkaria> I volunteered a while ago to co-ordinate testing but haven't had the time
  538. # [18:53] <rubys> paulc: should we take an action to bring an action to the working group.
  539. # [18:53] <takkaria> and we had a decent conversation on this channel before the telecon which should probably be posted to the list in summarised form
  540. # [18:53] <rubys> action: paulc to get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope)
  541. # [18:53] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  542. # [18:53] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - paulc
  543. # [18:53] * RRSAgent records action 2
  544. # [18:53] <MikeSmith> trackbot, status?
  545. # [18:53] * trackbot knows about the following 26 users: Lachlan, Matthew, Larry, Michael(tm), Doug, Gregory, Philippe, Julian, Laura, Shawn, Paul, Henri, Maciej, James, Adrian, Joshue, Richard, Ben, Chris, Manu, Sam, Ian, Cynthia, Dan, David, Steve
  546. # [18:54] <rubys> action: paul to get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope)
  547. # [18:54] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  548. # [18:54] * RRSAgent records action 3
  549. # [18:54] <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-09-17].
  550. # [18:54] <rubys> topic: Scribe for next meeting
  551. # [18:54] <rubys> paulc: who is available for next week?
  552. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> zakim, pick a victim
  553. # [18:55] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisWilson
  554. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> zakim, pick a victim
  555. # [18:55] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mjs
  556. # [18:55] <rubys> paulc: I believe that we are ready to adjourn
  557. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Rich
  558. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Julian
  559. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Matt
  560. # [18:55] <Zakim> -jerryEzrol
  561. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  562. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Cooper
  563. # [18:55] <rubys> paulc: adjourned
  564. # [18:55] <Zakim> -adrian
  565. # [18:55] <Zakim> -ChrisWilson
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  567. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  568. # [18:55] <Zakim> -kliehm
  569. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Paul_Cotton
  570. # [18:56] <Zakim> -mjs
  571. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Sam
  572. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  573. # [18:56] <Zakim> -Mike
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  575. # [18:56] <Zakim> -laura
  576. # [18:56] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  577. # [18:56] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.703.234.aaaa, Matt, Cooper, Mike, Sam, +1.218.340.aacc, Julian, mjs, Shepazu, Paul_Cotton, +1.425.614.aaff, Eliot_Graff, adrian, laura, Rich, jerryEzrol,
  578. # [18:56] <Zakim> ... Radhika_Roy, kliehm, ChrisWilson
  579. # [18:56] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  580. # [18:56] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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  585. # [19:00] <DanC> Meeting: HTML WG weekly
  586. # [19:00] <DanC> ^that's how you set the title
  587. # [19:00] <DanC> as to chopping stuff off the beginning, I'm not sure how
  588. # [19:00] <DanC> Chair: paulc
  589. # [19:01] <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  590. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/10-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
  591. # [19:01] * plh-away is now known as plh
  592. # [19:01] <rubys> ok, close enough then. Thanks!
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  594. # [19:06] <DanC> close action-142
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  597. # [19:06] <trackbot> ACTION-142 Look into some questions we have about how the W3C Patent Policy obligations would apply to a joint TF. closed
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  600. # [19:24] <cardona507> good morning - have I entirely missed the telcon?
  601. # [19:25] <Julian> it started 80 minutes ago
  602. # [19:27] <cardona507> is it too late to participate - I don't want to jeopardize my good standing.
  603. # [19:28] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  604. # [19:28] <Julian> your "good standing" does not depend on attending telcos
  605. # [19:28] <Zakim> + +1.831.454.aaaa
  606. # [19:29] <Zakim> - +1.831.454.aaaa
  607. # [19:29] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  608. # [19:29] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.831.454.aaaa
  609. # [19:29] <Julian> maybe I should also mention it stopped 20 minutes ago
  610. # [19:30] <cardona507> Julian - what does good standing depend on?
  611. # [19:30] <Julian> i dont think it depends on anything in this WG, otherwise we wouldn't hundreds of members in good standing
  612. # [19:40] <mjs> this WG is basically exempted from the normal "good standing" rules by charter
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