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  15. # [02:11] <MikeSmith> V
  16. # [02:11] <MikeSmith> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/09/draft-html-5-no-longer-a-marku.html
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  18. # [02:11] <MikeSmith> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/09/draft-html-5-no-longer-a-marku.html
  19. # [02:11] <pimpbot> Title: Draft HTML 5: no longer a markup language but a machine? - O'Reilly Broadcast (at broadcast.oreilly.com)
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  21. # [02:43] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <hx> examples. (whatwg r3801) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0060.html> ** hixie: New text for XPath hack. (whatwg r3800) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0059.html>
  22. # [02:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7292] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0203.html> ** [Bug 7059] Forking XPath <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0202.html>
  23. # [02:49] <MikeSmith> action-137?
  24. # [02:49] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-137
  25. # [02:49] <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  26. # [02:49] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
  27. # [02:49] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  28. # [02:51] <MikeSmith> anne: regarding your message on the "how many URL issues do we need/want" thread, note the due date on that issue and see Larry's two comments there
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  31. # [03:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7555] "The scope of this specification does not include documenting every HTML or DOM feature supported by Web browsers. ... For example, the blink element ..." -- but blink is documented in this specification <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0205.html> ** [Bug 7552] Add <article> examples illustrating how to use the element, without an unnecessary <section> wrapper inside. <http://lists.w3.org/Archive
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  34. # [03:43] <pimpbot> planet: Which browsers support the html 5 <audio> tag on Windows today? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1007223/which-browsers-support-the-html-5-audio-tag-on-windows-today>
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  36. # [04:43] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r3802) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0061.html>
  37. # [04:51] <MikeSmith> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/s5/linked-data/s5.html
  38. # [04:51] <pimpbot> Title: A skim-read introduction to linked data (at www.bbc.co.uk)
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  47. # [05:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7293] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0206.html>
  48. # [06:14] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove the site-wide heading section. It was incomprehensible and nobody cares anyway. (whatwg r3803) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0062.html>
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  51. # [06:33] <MikeSmith> @validator
  52. # [06:33] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: "syntax: remove any remaining assertion constraints on footer that aren't also on header (b=647)\nhttp://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=647 <\x0311https://cvsdude.com/cgi-bin/rssFetch.pl?authKey=4kfX20filrNlnd502nuI1Fo7qiJaUl8b26VFzojJpkrYXe8rHj#projectview?id=39753\x0f> \x034\x02**\x0f validator: Tests from Lars Gunther <\x0311https://cvsdude.com/cgi- (5 more messages)
  53. # [06:33] <MikeSmith> @planet
  54. # [06:33] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Which browsers support the html 5 <audio> tag on Windows today? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1007223/which-browsers-support-the-html-5-audio-tag-on-windows-today> ** Web Encodings - WHATWG Wiki <http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Web_Encodings> ** http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html updated with info on Web Workers, input placeholder text, and form autofocus. (4 more messages)
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  57. # [07:04] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <hr> and <span> examples. (whatwg r3804) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0063.html>
  58. # [07:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7295] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0208.html>
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  66. # [08:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7555] "The scope of this specification does not include documenting every HTML or DOM feature supported by Web browsers. ... For example, the blink element ..." -- but blink is documented in this specification <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0209.html>
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  71. # [09:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7555] "The scope of this specification does not include documenting every HTML or DOM feature supported by Web browsers. ... For example, the blink element ..." -- but blink is documented in this specification <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0211.html> ** [Bug 7296] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0210.html>
  72. # [09:02] <pimpbot> planet: <div>The Validator.nu HTML Parser</div> <http://about.validator.nu/htmlparser/>
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  76. # [09:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7555] "The scope of this specification does not include documenting every HTML or DOM feature supported by Web browsers. ... For example, the blink element ..." -- but blink is documented in this specification" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0212.html>
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  82. # [10:02] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r465 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
  83. # [10:02] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: add embed, iframe, label, and object@usemap to the assertions-checking code as interactive elements prohibited in <a> and <button> (b=650)
  84. # [10:02] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=650
  85. # [10:02] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 650 add embed, iframe, label, and objectusemap to the assertions-checking code as interactive elements prohibited in and (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
  86. # [10:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7297] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0215.html> ** [Bug 7555] "The scope of this specification does not include documenting every HTML or DOM feature supported by Web browsers. ... For example, the blink element ..." -- but blink is documented in this specification <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0214.html>
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  92. # [10:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: markup fixes (whatwg r3807) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0066.html> ** hixie: make <h1> example more precise (whatwg r3806) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0065.html> ** hixie: <del> example (whatwg r3805) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0064.html>
  93. # [10:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7299] mark up examples <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0217.html> ** [Bug 7298] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0216.html>
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  97. # [11:51] <anne> Julian, I realize I was a bit vague yesterday, the reason I couldn't care less about LEIRIs is because I don't think they'll affect the Web Platform in any meaningful way
  98. # [11:52] <Julian> well, unless we make them do what HTML5 needs
  99. # [11:52] <Julian> I'm still sceptical about all these different supersets of IRIs
  100. # [11:52] <Hixie> me too
  101. # [11:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <embed> example. (whatwg r3809) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0068.html> ** hixie: Lame demo for <iframe>. (whatwg r3808) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0067.html>
  102. # [11:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7305] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0223.html> ** [Bug 7304] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0222.html> ** [Bug 7303] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0221.html> ** [Bug 7302] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0220.
  103. # [11:53] <anne> if make them do what HTML5 needs presumably they're like HTML5 URLs and not like LEIRIs
  104. # [11:53] <Hixie> i wish we could just merge all of the URI, IRI, LEIRI, IDN, and Web Addresses nonsense into one spec that just did the right thing
  105. # [11:53] <anne> apparently Larry is pushing for that
  106. # [11:53] <anne> not sure if including IDNs was his plan though, probably not
  107. # [11:54] <Hixie> _anything_ that brings this mess closer to the ideal single technology would be an improvement
  108. # [11:54] <Hixie> right now we have what's basically one technology being designed and maintained by about 4 different groups of people
  109. # [11:54] <Hixie> it's just silly
  110. # [11:55] <Julian> IDN is part of RFC3987, so an update of RFC3987 will need to address this too
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  114. # [12:22] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <math> example. (whatwg r3811) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0070.html> ** hixie: <canvas> example. (whatwg r3810) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0069.html>
  115. # [12:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7312] add examples for tables <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0245.html> ** [Bug 7320] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0244.html> ** [Bug 7319] add examples here <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0241.html> ** "[Bug 7312] add examples for tables" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publ
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  117. # [13:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7575] New: <meter> example isn't highlighted <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0246.html>
  118. # [13:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7576] New: The spec doesn't say for authors what those any namespace-less attributes are for. It should say that they are parameters that are passed to the plugin, and maybe give an example, maybe also give an equivalent example using <object> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0247.html>
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  121. # [14:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7577] New: meta/@name=descriptions vs invisible metadata <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0249.html> ** [Bug 7576] The spec doesn't say for authors what those any namespace-less attributes are for. It should say that they are parameters that are passed to the plugin, and maybe give an example, maybe also give an equivalent example using <object> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla
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  131. # [15:15] <rubys> hsivonen: why does HTML5 live dom viewer map my:p to myU0003A0p? Shouldn't it be myU00003Ap?
  132. # [15:15] <rubys> http://livedom.validator.nu/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Chtml%20xmlns%3Amy%3D%22org.my%22%3E%0A%20%20%3Cbody%3E%0A%20%20%20%20%20%3Cmy%3Ap%3ETest%3C%2Fmy%3Ap%3E%0A%20%20%3C%2Fbody%3E%0A%3C%2Fhtml%3E
  133. # [15:15] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Live DOM Viewer (at livedom.validator.nu)
  134. # [15:16] <hsivonen> rubys: I think I have fixed that bug
  135. # [15:16] <hsivonen> rubys: so either I haven't redeployed after the fix or my fix wasn't a real fix
  136. # [15:16] <rubys> np... I just wanted to verify my understanding of how it should work
  137. # [15:17] <hsivonen> woohoo! Eclipse 3.5 fixed my GWT compilation configs
  138. # [15:17] <hsivonen> recompiling now
  139. # [15:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7578] New: "If the defer attribute may be specified": this phrasing is confusing, should "may be specified" be "is specified" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0250.html>
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  145. # [15:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7059] Forking XPath <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0251.html>
  146. # [15:53] <pimpbot> planet: The section element <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/aMUzYXOzDr8/>
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  153. # [16:20] <hsivonen> DanC: thanks for setting the record on <cite> straight again
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  155. # [16:38] <hsivonen> rubys: fixed the faulty bit shifting on livedom
  156. # [16:39] <rubys> hsivonen: thx!
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  158. # [16:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7579] New: Could "interactive widget" in the context of a web application be defined, expanded upon or an example provided? This seems too vague. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0255.html> ** "[Bug 7577] meta/@name=descriptions vs invisible metadata" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0254.html>
  159. # [16:53] <pimpbot> planet: This Week in HTML 5 – Episode 34 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-34> ** What’s up w/ MozFdn – September Update <http://commonspace.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/whats-up-w-mozfdn-september-update/>
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  163. # [17:33] <CIA-1> v.nu-htmlparser: hsivonen * r582 /trunk/src/nu/validator/htmlparser/impl/NCName.java: Fix faulty bit shifting in the Uhhhhhh notation.
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  173. # [18:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7581] New: Should the select() method set focus? MSIE+Opera does not. FF+Chrome sets focus. It should probably be specified to set focus. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0256.html>
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