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  17. # [00:51] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Don't force people to use <b> for speakers in conversations. (whatwg r3864) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0120.html>
  18. # [00:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7644] New: The first example for footnotes is actually an example of a dialogue. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0353.html> ** [Bug 7628] The later 'block' box container should simply map to the first/last dd element. This makes UA implementations easier and script emulation of the feature in contemporary UAs as well. Both can simply toggle the display property between block and none. <http://lists.w3
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  26. # [02:22] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: tweak ruby alt text (whatwg r3865) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0121.html>
  27. # [02:46] <karl> http://adactio.com/extras/pocketbooks/html5/
  28. # [02:46] <pimpbot> Title: HTML 5 pocket book (at adactio.com)
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  30. # [02:52] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Change how <keygen> is made optional so that support is detectable from script. (whatwg r3868) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0123.html> ** hixie: Change how the intrinsic ratio is applied to match implementations. (whatwg r3867) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0122.html>
  31. # [03:22] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Tweak element definitions based on data collected from a study Jeremey did. (whatwg r3869) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0124.html>
  32. # [03:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7645] New: associate printable pages and less-convenient-to-print pages with link rel value "print" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0354.html>
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  35. # [04:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7643] Why not use display:none instead of overflow:hidden; height:0? display:none seems to have the desired behavior in terms of exposure to AT and keyboard navigation in browsers. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0357.html> ** [Bug 7642] which attribute wins if both pointsize and size are specified? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0356.html> ** [Bug 7645] associa
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  38. # [04:50] <pimpbot> planet: This Week in HTML5 – Episode 35 <http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html5-episode-35>
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  58. # [10:24] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: cook the copy pasta (whatwg r3870) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0125.html>
  59. # [10:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 6543] Mint a new element for figure captions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0358.html>
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  69. # [11:52] <pimpbot> planet: Future of Web Design, Bristol <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/future-of-web-design-bristol/>
  70. # [11:54] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Allow <input type=file> to be reset by setting value to ''. (whatwg r3874) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0129.html> ** hixie: Sync with Unicode terminology. (whatwg r3872) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0128.html> ** hixie: More Unicode terminology fixings. (whatwg r3873) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0127.html> ** hixie: M
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  72. # [12:29] <anne> hsivonen, Hixie, I suspect the bit on surrogates in the spec might not match implementations
  73. # [12:29] <anne> hsivonen, Hixie, from what I remember Firefox did support referencing surrogates with character references
  74. # [12:29] <anne> but the details escaped me a bit
  75. # [12:35] <hsivonen> anne: the Firefox HTML5 parser matches spec, right?
  76. # [12:35] <Hixie> the spec just changed
  77. # [12:36] <anne> hsivonen, not sure, the spec changes triggered a bit in my memory that wanted to look into that situation at one point :)
  78. # [12:37] <anne> but maybe you can :)
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  80. # [12:54] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make document.domain and history.back() release the storage mutex. (whatwg r3875) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0130.html>
  81. # [12:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7646] New: Media Queries <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0359.html>
  82. # [13:04] <hsivonen> hmm. odd. I had thought bad UTF-8 sequences and NCRs for surrogates had been turning to FFFD all along
  83. # [13:08] <Hixie> heh
  84. # [13:08] <Hixie> good!
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  86. # [13:24] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Note to self. Usage summary needed for sectioning elements. (whatwg r3877) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0132.html> ** hixie: Tweak <article> for clarity. (whatwg r3876) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0131.html>
  87. # [13:25] <takkaria> "the semantic purpose of a citation is an appeal to authority" -- I'm pretty sure in scientific journals the idea is that they're a source for data rather than an appeal to authority
  88. # [14:13] <Dashiva> Appeal to authority would be not citing and saying "Just trust me"
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  90. # [14:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7649] It would be useful to see an example of how section works when it's not in the context of an article, in the example text (chapters, tabs, etc) all of those would sit inside a wrapping article element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0361.html> ** [Bug 7649] New: It would be useful to see an example of how section works when it's not in the context of an article, in the example text (chapters, tabs
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  92. # [14:38] <karl> http://www.internetactu.net/2009/09/15/critiques-du-web%C2%B2-14-quelles-donnees-libere-t-on/
  93. # [14:38] <pimpbot> Title: Critiques du Web² (1/4) : Quelles données libère-t-on ? | InternetActu.net (at www.internetactu.net)
  94. # [14:38] * karl is testing a URI
  95. # [14:39] <karl> character ² in the URI
  96. # [14:39] <jre> you mean IRI?
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  102. # [14:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7652] New: Is it fine for <nav> to link to a bunch of external pages? E.g. your Flickr/Facebook/Twitter/etc. profiles? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0363.html> ** [Bug 7651] New: Articles and sections <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0362.html>
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  110. # [15:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7654] New: Contrast HTML to both RTF and DocBook <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0365.html>
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  118. # [16:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7643] Why not use display:none instead of overflow:hidden; height:0? display:none seems to have the desired behavior in terms of exposure to AT and keyboard navigation in browsers. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0368.html> ** [Bug 7655] having overflow:hidden when the details are open probably has unintended side-effects like clipping content and affecting floats. display:none/block seems better in term
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  136. # [19:54] <pimpbot> planet: Rough Introduction to Character Encodings on the Web <http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/09/web-character-encodings>
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  138. # [19:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7656] New: Describe differences between easily confused new elements to assist authors <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0369.html>
  139. # [20:09] <ArtB> Hixkie, All - when the HTML5 spec itself uses the term "last call" e.g. http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/text-level-semantics.html#the-a-element - what does "last call" mean?
  140. # [20:09] <pimpbot> Title: 4.6 Text-level semantics HTML 5 (at dev.w3.org)
  141. # [20:10] <ArtB> oops, that's Hixie
  142. # [20:13] <annevk> it means it's LC quality
  143. # [20:15] <ArtB> annevk, does that mean the WG has agreed no more changes are allowed for that section?
  144. # [20:16] <Philip> No
  145. # [20:16] <Philip> The WHATWG has no concept of the WG agreeing on something, and the HTML WG has agreed on about two things in its entire history
  146. # [20:18] <ArtB> If a section is tagged with "Status: Last call for comments", is there some date/deadline for comments?
  147. # [20:19] <Philip> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/status-documentation.html
  148. # [20:19] <pimpbot> Title: Specification annotation system documentation (at www.whatwg.org)
  149. # [20:19] <Philip> "Last call for comments: The section is nearly done, but there may be feedback still to be processed. Send feedback sooner rather than later, or it might be too late."
  150. # [20:19] <takkaria> comments are welcome anytime from anyone, AFAIK
  151. # [20:19] <ArtB> Philip: thanks, that's what I was looking for!
  152. # [20:20] <Philip> Generally, comments are only too late if someone's already implemented it and is unwilling to change
  153. # [20:22] <ArtB> so a section with a "Last Call for comments" status could be deleted or heavily modified, right?
  154. # [20:23] <jgraham> yes
  155. # [20:23] <jgraham> in theory
  156. # [20:24] <jgraham> (but in practice those sections tend to have implementations and so be stable by necessity)
  157. # [20:26] <ArtB> jgraham: got it; thanks
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  170. # [22:55] <pimpbot> planet: Rough Introduction to Character Encodings on the Web — Anne’s Weblog <http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/09/web-character-encodings>
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