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  10. # [00:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7362] inclusion of the title as a case where the alt may be omitted is problematic <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0393.html>
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  13. # [00:55] <Philip> "On testing HTML" says "You'll find more information at our unstable server"
  14. # [00:55] <Philip> Shouldn't it actually link to the server somewhere in the mail?
  15. # [00:56] <Philip> (I assume it's http://omocha.w3.org/ but people might not know that)
  16. # [00:56] <pimpbot> Title: W3C Automated Testing [Web Browser Test Framework] (at omocha.w3.org)
  17. # [01:00] <pimpbot> planet: How do we test a Web browser? <http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/09/how_do_we_test_a_web_browser.html>
  18. # [01:02] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Reference Workers where appropriate. (whatwg r3883) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0136.html> ** hixie: Mention and encourage UTF-8 detection specifically. (whatwg r3882) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0135.html>
  19. # [01:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7413] Add definition of <html profile> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0403.html> ** [Bug 7412] Add definition of <meta scheme> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0402.html> ** [Bug 7387] small element should have same content model as a, ins, del <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0401.html> ** [Bug 7386] SharedWorkerGlobalSco
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  21. # [01:12] <MikeSmith> Philip: which mail? the blog post has a link
  22. # [01:12] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/09/how_do_we_test_a_web_browser.html
  23. # [01:12] <pimpbot> Title: How do we test a Web browser? - W3C Q Weblog (at www.w3.org)
  24. # [01:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7669] New: Redefining dt and dd, recommend new element as caption for Figure <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0405.html> ** [Bug 7668] New: 7.9.6 should explain which events are actually dispatched when copying/cutting/pasting <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0404.html>
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  27. # [02:00] <pimpbot> planet: YUI 2.8.0 - Local Storage wrapper, better Flash interaction, crossdomain connections and progress bars <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/2l4I16ZVvGo/yui-280-local-storage-wrapper-better-flash-interaction-crossdomain-connections-and-progress-bars>
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  29. # [02:32] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Expand the history section, drop the relationships sections. (whatwg r3884) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0137.html>
  30. # [02:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7414] Please add a history section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0406.html>
  31. # [02:40] <MikeSmith> issue-55: see http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/obsolete.html#dom-head-profile and http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/obsolete.html#attr-head-profile
  32. # [02:40] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-55.
  33. # [02:40] <trackbot> ISSUE-55 head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats notes added
  34. # [02:40] <pimpbot> Title: 12 Obsolete features HTML 5 (at dev.w3.org)
  35. # [03:33] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Update SotD for W3C copy of the spec. (whatwg r3885) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0138.html>
  36. # [03:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7438] refine Status section to clarify difference between editor's bug list and the working-group issue list <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0408.html> ** [Bug 7428] Safari 4 preloads media and FF 3.5 doesn't in <audio> tag; perhaps HTML5 sections 4.8.10.5 4.8.10.8 are unclear or need a 'preloading' attribute added. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0407.html>
  37. # [03:44] <mjs> MikeSmith: would it make sense to add an HTML+RDFa component to bugzilla?
  38. # [03:44] <MikeSmith> mjs: yep, good idea
  39. # [03:44] <MikeSmith> I'll add it now
  40. # [03:45] <mjs> MikeSmith: sweet
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  44. # [04:01] <pimpbot> planet: YUI 2.8.0 – Local Storage wrapper, better Flash interaction, crossdomain connections and progress bars <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/2l4I16ZVvGo/yui-280-local-storage-wrapper-better-flash-interaction-crossdomain-connections-and-progress-bars>
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  48. # [05:13] <Hixie> aaaaah
  49. # [05:13] <Hixie> the components were renamed
  50. # [05:14] <Hixie> all my links and tools and stuff are failing
  51. # [05:24] <mjs> did MikeSmith rename all the bugzilla components when he added a new one?
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  57. # [06:49] <Hixie> k well i guess i can't do any work on the bugs, since all the tools for the bugs are broken and so i wouldn't get tracking data
  58. # [06:49] <Hixie> i'll do xxx fixes instead
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  61. # [07:03] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: highlight relevant part of example for consistency (whatwg r3886) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0139.html>
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  63. # [07:34] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Tidy up some XXX markers. (whatwg r3888) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0141.html> ** hixie: Define <area> focusability. (whatwg r3887) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0140.html>
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  65. # [07:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie, mjs - sorry, yeah, I did rename components
  66. # [07:39] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I'll rename those back so your stuff will un-break
  67. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I think I restored it back to what it was
  68. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> please check and let me know
  69. # [08:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7362] inclusion of the title as a case where the alt may be omitted is problematic <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0409.html>
  70. # [08:07] <Hixie> MikeSmith: cool, thanks, checking now
  71. # [08:07] <Hixie> looks good
  72. # [08:08] <MikeSmith> OK
  73. # [08:08] <MikeSmith> I'll quit experimenting now
  74. # [08:09] <Hixie> there's some weird encoding thing going on
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  77. # [08:11] <MikeSmith> which component?
  78. # [08:12] <Hixie> the one's that say "(editor: ...)" start with a character that only works if i override the site to UTF-8
  79. # [08:14] <MikeSmith> ah
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  81. # [08:16] <MikeSmith> fixed now
  82. # [08:19] <MikeSmith> the reason I muffed around with them was to try to get them "HTML5 bugs" component sorted to first
  83. # [08:19] <Hixie> ah
  84. # [08:19] <MikeSmith> bugzilla gives me no other way to tune how they are sorted
  85. # [08:20] <MikeSmith> and also does not give me any way to set a default component for a product
  86. # [08:20] <MikeSmith> as far as I can see at least
  87. # [08:34] <MikeSmith> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/38901b377b1e
  88. # [08:34] <pimpbot> Title: mozilla-central: changeset 32835:38901b377b1e (at hg.mozilla.org)
  89. # [08:35] <MikeSmith> "freshen WebGL implementation and enable on trunk"
  90. # [09:04] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Drag and drop model documentation. (whatwg r3889) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0142.html>
  91. # [09:08] <hsivonen> is the WebGL spec now public?
  92. # [09:19] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: nope
  93. # [09:19] <MikeSmith> not as far as I know at least
  94. # [09:20] <MikeSmith> I guess we'll all just have to reverse engineer the spec from reading the code for the mozilla and webkit implementations
  95. # [09:20] <MikeSmith> open standards ftw!
  96. # [09:21] <takkaria> you love it really
  97. # [09:21] <MikeSmith> hey, I guess we could at least poke around and fine the IDLs and look at those
  98. # [09:22] <MikeSmith> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/38901b377b1e/dom/interfaces/canvas/nsICanvasRenderingContextWebGL.idl
  99. # [09:22] <pimpbot> Title: mozilla-central: dom/interfaces/canvas/nsICanvasRenderingContextWebGL.idl@38901b377b1e (at hg.mozilla.org)
  100. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> and more at http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/38901b377b1e/dom/interfaces/canvas/
  101. # [09:23] <pimpbot> Title: mozilla-central: files (at hg.mozilla.org)
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  103. # [09:34] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clean up in drag and drop section. (whatwg r3890) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0143.html>
  104. # [09:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7670] New: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0410.html>
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  106. # [10:04] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: More cleanup (whatwg r3892) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0145.html> ** hixie: Cleanup in Undo Manager section. (whatwg r3891) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0144.html>
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  108. # [10:17] <Philip> MikeSmith: "On testing HTML" on public-html
  109. # [10:17] <MikeSmith> ah, OK
  110. # [10:34] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make the order of the tokeniser lines more consistent. (whatwg r3895) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0147.html> ** hixie: Optimise parser a bit (and remove some ambiguity). Bail on intros for WebSocket and MessagePort for now. Other cleanup. (whatwg r3894) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0146.html>
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  114. # [11:04] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: miscellaneous cleanup (whatwg r3901) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0153.html> ** hixie: More editorial tweaks to the updated history section. (whatwg r3900) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0152.html> ** hixie: Minor intro fixes. (whatwg r3899) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0151.html> ** hixie: Added some examples to a lower
  115. # [11:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7362] inclusion of the title as a case where the alt may be omitted is problematic" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0414.html> ** "[Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0412.html>
  116. # [11:35] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r3903) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0155.html> ** hixie: Cleanup in the parser. (whatwg r3902) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0154.html>
  117. # [11:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7449] editorial: hyperlinked "represents" on the id attribute definition <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0423.html> ** [Bug 7362] inclusion of the title as a case where the alt may be omitted is problematic <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0422.html> ** [Bug 7442] Java applets are never conforming, and sometimes don't work <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/p
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  121. # [12:05] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make rel=up text self-consistent. (whatwg r3904) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0156.html>
  122. # [12:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7468] make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0426.html> ** [Bug 7659] Clarify what "other applicable specifications" means to say http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Sep/0045.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0425.html> ** [Bug 7458] inconsistent definition of "up" relation <http://lis
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  125. # [13:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7674] New: are the chunks for inputs having the content-type header for each chunk specified appropriately? e.g. file inputs should set the header according to the file selected by the user <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0427.html>
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  139. # [16:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0429.html>
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  147. # [19:05] <pimpbot> planet: @ckunte "Dive Into HTML5" will have a chapter about the new semantic elements. I'll probably write it last; the semantics keep changing! :( <http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/4081741321> ** What differences are expected of XHTML5 versus HTML5? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1415394/what-differences-are-expected-of-xhtml5-versus-html5>
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  153. # [20:05] <pimpbot> planet: possible to use html images like canvas with getImageData / putImageData ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1445862/possible-to-use-html-images-like-canvas-with-getimagedata-putimagedata>
  154. # [20:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7677] New: Is there any behavior defined for setting the src property. For example, is the expectation that object should (A) load the src if autobuffer is true (B) stop playing if currently playing (C) something else (D) nothing at all? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0435.html> ** "[Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology" (7 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archive
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  158. # [21:05] <pimpbot> planet: WebGL in Firefox Nightly Builds <http://blog.vlad1.com/2009/09/18/webgl-in-firefox-nightly-builds/> ** Re: Google praises Microsoft's HTML 5 contribution <http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9lv9k/google_praises_microsofts_html_5_contribution/c0dbbsj>
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  160. # [21:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7480] use of keygen should trigger a warning. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0438.html> ** [Bug 7475] Semantics of rel=first and rel=index breaks specs and implementations <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0437.html> ** [Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0436.html
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  177. # [22:38] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: profile='' processing; example for <object>; add link to research for dialog suggestions (whatwg r3905) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0157.html>
  178. # [22:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7512] suggested "replacement" for head/@profile does not work <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0443.html> ** [Bug 7510] Allow elements beyond just HTML, MathML, and SVG into SVG element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0442.html> ** [Bug 7484] head/@profile holds a white-space separated list of URIs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009S
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  180. # [23:01] <mjs> julian: bug 7484 seems to have been addressed as you requested
  181. # [23:01] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7484 julian.reschke@gmx.de, P2, REOPENED, head/@profile holds a white-space separated list of URIs
  182. # [23:01] <mjs> julian: did you check the spec text before reopening it? is it ok if I re-close it?
  183. # [23:08] <julian> I did check, and I missed the part you cited; but it appears you missed the parts I Just cited :-) So I think it needs more changes.
  184. # [23:08] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: ref the wiki where appropriate. (whatwg r3906) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0158.html>
  185. # [23:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7484] head/@profile holds a white-space separated list of URIs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0449.html> ** [Bug 7512] suggested "replacement" for head/@profile does not work <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0448.html> ** [Bug 7510] Allow elements beyond just HTML, MathML, and SVG into SVG element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009S
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  187. # [23:13] <mjs> julian: UAs are required to ignore token values, so I'm not sure it matters whether they are treated as space-separated - the only remaining issue I can see is that space-separated mixing of tokens and URIs could cause tokens to be treated as URIs
  188. # [23:15] <julian> BTW: where did token come from anyway? HTML4 says, depending on where you look, that it's a single URI or a set of URIs
  189. # [23:15] <julian> The main issue is that the text now is ambiguous as HTML4 (on purpose?)
  190. # [23:15] <Hixie> mjs: mjs the tokens would all look like urls
  191. # [23:15] <mjs> if that's the case, then no one will treat it as a globally unique opaque token
  192. # [23:16] <Hixie> the problem is that this is one of the most ridiculously badly designed features in html
  193. # [23:16] <mjs> Hixie: I see - so the spec gives the option of either applying all known metadata profiles, or treating as a list of URLs, dereferencing, and applying their processing
  194. # [23:16] <Hixie> mjs: right
  195. # [23:17] <mjs> julian: does that address your concern?
  196. # [23:17] <Hixie> i guess we could change it so that it gives the option of ignoring URLs instead of requiring that they all be applied if any are applied
  197. # [23:17] <julian> No
  198. # [23:17] <Hixie> (but who cares, it's not like anyone in their right mind is going to use this feature)
  199. # [23:18] <julian> The attribute contains a set of URIs. Each of them identifies a profile. A recipient may understand any subset of them.
  200. # [23:18] <Hixie> not in html5
  201. # [23:18] <julian> And I do agree that it's poorly designed, btw.
  202. # [23:19] <Hixie> the whole point is that if you were treating them as magic keywords in html4, then in html5 you must act as if every document listed every magic keyword you support, regardless of the actual value
  203. # [23:19] <julian> Well, it should say that. What it does say right now doesn't matter at all.
  204. # [23:19] <mjs> what do you think needs to be changed in the processing model? recipients should have the option to ignore a subset of the URIs when treating as a list?
  205. # [23:19] <julian> That does not work.
  206. # [23:19] <Hixie> it's only if you were treating them as URLs you actually dereference and apply that you would even look at the attribute
  207. # [23:20] <Hixie> the attribute doesn't work _regardless_ of what we do
  208. # [23:20] <Hixie> it's broken as designed
  209. # [23:20] <mjs> the original bug was about allowing processing as a list of URIs instead of a single URI
  210. # [23:20] <julian> It's badly designed, but it has a purpose.
  211. # [23:20] <mjs> it seems like that is done
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  213. # [23:20] <mjs> if there are other issues with the text, they should be filed as separate bugs instead of morphing this bug
  214. # [23:21] <Hixie> mjs: julian's last comment does mention one minor issue with hte text that i didn't fix
  215. # [23:21] <julian> HTML4's definition is just fine, except for the DTD/prose disagreement, and the fact that only the first URI ias assigned a meaning.
  216. # [23:21] <Hixie> mjs: editorial issue, nothing that affects the processing, but i'll fix it before closing the bug
  217. # [23:21] <mjs> ok
  218. # [23:21] <Hixie> the HTML4 definition isn't just fine, it's one of the vaguest, most pointless parts of HTML4, itself a pretty vague spec
  219. # [23:22] <julian> mhs: the original bug wasn't about processing, it was about the contents of the attribute and it's meaning.
  220. # [23:22] <mjs> you said "This makes it sound as if the attribute value is a single URI; that is not the case."
  221. # [23:22] <julian> Maciej, the bug is fixed when the text doesn't break the way people use @profile.
  222. # [23:22] <mjs> the text no longer makes it sound as if the attribute value is a single URI
  223. # [23:23] <julian> did it just change then?
  224. # [23:23] <Hixie> the way people use profile="" was broken since they started using profile="", html5 doesn't affect that at all
  225. # [23:23] <mjs> ok, sorry, the text that says "handled as a URL" does make it sound like that, although it's contradicted by the space splitting
  226. # [23:24] <mjs> if that is changed to no longer mention a single URL, will that address the bug?
  227. # [23:28] <julian> It also says: "...When the attribute would be used as a globally unique name..."
  228. # [23:30] <Hixie> that'll be changed to say "list of names" or some such
  229. # [23:34] <julian> why can't it say "set of URIs", when it's exactly that?
  230. # [23:35] <Hixie> how do you mean? where would it say that?
  231. # [23:36] <julian> like "the value is a set of whitespace separated URIs"
  232. # [23:37] <Hixie> the value is nothing, the attribute isn't conforming.
  233. # [23:37] <Hixie> you're not allowed to have the valu at all, so it makes no sense to have authoring advice.
  234. # [23:38] <julian> that's not "authoring advice", it's a definition of what the value contains
  235. # [23:38] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Give power to the wiki maintainers to nuke pointless synonyms. (whatwg r3908) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0160.html> ** hixie: Clarify the registries for rel='', <meta name=''>, and http-equiv=''. (whatwg r3907) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0159.html>
  236. # [23:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7540] Spec for metadata extensions does not define which states are allowed/conforming <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0450.html>
  237. # [23:38] <Hixie> we've had this conversation before. I don't think that makes sense.
  238. # [23:39] <Hixie> just saying "this attribute's value is a list of space-separated URLs" or whatever is meaningless.
  239. # [23:39] <Hixie> it just gives authoring conformance criteria, which is pointless for something that's not allowed at all.
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  241. # [23:41] <julian> for the record: we have a separate ISSUE for the discussion whether it should be allowed.
  242. # [23:43] <Hixie> indeed
  243. # [23:43] <Hixie> if it becomes allowed, then obviously authoring conformance criteria would be added.
  244. # [23:55] <Hixie> julian: is there an rfc i can reference that would help me fix bug 7549?
  245. # [23:55] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7549 annevk@opera.com, P2, NEW, define how to parse a MIME type
  246. # Session Close: Sat Sep 19 00:00:00 2009

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