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  7. # [00:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7542] Remove Section 5. Microdata" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0758.html>
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  10. # [00:54] <pimpbot> planet: Video Introduction to HTML 5 <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/repQ8bpvMCA/video-introduction-to-html-5.html>
  11. # [00:56] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clarify that HTML doesn't override SVG. (whatwg r3977) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0229.html>
  12. # [00:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7542] Remove Section 5. Microdata <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0761.html> ** "[Bug 7510] Allow elements beyond just HTML, MathML, and SVG into SVG element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0760.html>
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  16. # [01:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7703] Allow elements beyond just HTML, MathML, and SVG into SVG element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0763.html> ** [Bug 7703] New: Allow elements beyond just HTML, MathML, and SVG into SVG element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0762.html>
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  19. # [01:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7703] HTML document conformance should explicitly depend on foreign content conformance <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0765.html> ** [Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0764.html>
  20. # [02:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7703] HTML document conformance should explicitly depend on foreign content conformance <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0766.html>
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  29. # [03:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7703] HTML document conformance should explicitly depend on foreign content conformance" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0768.html>
  30. # [04:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7703] HTML document conformance should explicitly depend on foreign content conformance <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0770.html> ** [Bug 7510] Allow elements beyond just HTML, MathML, and SVG into SVG element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0769.html>
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  33. # [05:55] <pimpbot> planet: Google Code Blog: Video Introduction to HTML 5 <http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/09/video-introduction-to-html-5.html> ** SeaMonkey Meeting Minutes: 2009-09-22 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/237> ** Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2009-09-22 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/235> ** Status update, week 38, 2009 <http://feeds.limi.net/~r/limi/~3/6w1vmUnTHw0/status-update-week-38-2009>
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  39. # [08:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7488] "These are the only ways to make a DOM unserializable." - this is not correct so long as DOM Core allows nodes to be moved from an HTML document to an XML document without serializability checking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0772.html>
  40. # [08:56] <pimpbot> planet: Google, you clever bastards - The Fishbowl <http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2009/09/23/google_you_clever_bastards/>
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  43. # [09:28] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Mention <atom:entry> is similar to <article> (whatwg r3978) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0230.html>
  44. # [09:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7705] New: What use of providing both "embed" and "object" elements? They play nearly same role. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0774.html> ** [Bug 7704] New: It is better to implement canvas.clear() method and allow to resize canvas without clearing it <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0773.html>
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  50. # [10:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0775.html>
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  53. # [10:58] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove the word 'independent' from the definition of <article> to avoid quite so much confusion. (whatwg r3979) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0231.html>
  54. # [10:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7697] The type attribute should ammend the Accept header accordingly. HTTP spec is in accordance with the rules here, in terms of the Accept header being non-authorative. script and style elements already ammend accept header (in firefox) but not for other link <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0777.html> ** "[Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology" (2 messages in thread) <htt
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  56. # [11:08] <Philip> "Mention <atom:entry> is similar to <article>" - what does that mean? I don't know what atom is bound to :-(
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  59. # [11:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7706] New: This section should reference "matches a fallback namespace" in step 3. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0778.html>
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  62. # [12:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7708] New: Include some documentation here (or link to) how the time element with a pubdate attribute applies to article. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0779.html>
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  74. # [14:59] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: remove the 'out of scope' section (whatwg r3981) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0233.html> ** hixie: Apparently 'tool bar' isn't right. (whatwg r3980) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Sep/0232.html>
  75. # [14:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7709] Prevent PUT/DELETE cross-origin <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0781.html> ** [Bug 7709] New: Prevent PUT/DELETE cross-origin <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0780.html>
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  102. # [22:03] <rubys> I'm on a call with ECMA TC39, and they have some concerns about the use and evolution of WebIDL... I'll be forwarding those concerns onto public-html, along with an invitation to join the https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es5-discuss mailing list.
  103. # [22:03] <pimpbot> Title: es5-discuss Info Page (at mail.mozilla.org)
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  105. # [22:11] <jgraham> rubys: Any chance of a sneak preview?
  106. # [22:12] <jgraham> (random moan: I wish the archive serch for the ecmascript list worked. I guess I can't complain because I haven't reported the bug or anything but...)
  107. # [22:15] <Philip> jgraham: (You could assume someone else already reported the bug, and you just can't find their report)
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  109. # [22:19] <jgraham> (In other news the ECMA process seems screwy)
  110. # [22:19] <rubys> jgraham: here's a few links
  111. # [22:19] <rubys> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es5-discuss/2009-September/003312.html
  112. # [22:19] <rubys> and the rest of that thread
  113. # [22:19] <rubys> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es5-discuss/2009-September/003343.html
  114. # [22:19] <rubys> (not the transactional behavior, which is out -- just the
  115. # [22:19] <rubys> interaction with Array's custom [[Put]]).
  116. # [22:19] <rubys> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2009-May/009300.html on
  117. # [22:19] <pimpbot> Title: Object.create (at mail.mozilla.org)
  118. # [22:19] <pimpbot> Title: Object.defineProperties (seemingly) requires transactional behaviour (at mail.mozilla.org)
  119. # [22:19] <rubys> an "ArrayLike interface" with references to DOM docs at the bottom
  120. # [22:19] <pimpbot> Title: Array Like Interface (at mail.mozilla.org)
  121. # [22:19] <rubys> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es5-discuss/2009-June/002865.html
  122. # [22:19] <pimpbot> Title: Values for numeric literals (at mail.mozilla.org)
  123. # [22:19] <rubys> about a WebIDL float terminal value issue.
  124. # [22:20] <jgraham> rubys: Thanks
  125. # [22:21] <rubys> Two general issues, first: WebIDL binding to ECMAScript is based on ES3... needs to be updated to ES5 (Meta Object Protocol)
  126. # [22:21] <rubys> second: the specific concern is that HTML5 uses WebIDL in a way that precludes implementation of these objects in ECMAScript (i.e., they can only be implemnted as host objects), and an explicit goal of ECMA TC39 has been to reduce such. Ideally ECMA TC39 and the W3C HTML WG would jointly develop guidance on developing web APIs, and the W3C HTML WG would apply that guidance in HTML5.
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  128. # [22:22] <jgraham> rubys: The first is a known issue (I discussed it briefly with heycam )
  129. # [22:23] <jgraham> I haven't read the examples of the second yet
  130. # [22:23] <rubys> jgraham: I'm told that''s in the four links
  131. # [22:24] <jgraham> rubys: Yeah, still reading
  132. # [22:31] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7714] New: the diagram image says "tokeniser"; should be "tokenizer" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0789.html>
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  135. # [22:38] * jgraham has read more and is still somewhat unsure what the issue is
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  137. # [22:45] <jgraham> (in particular the only concrete issue to do with WebIDL seemed to be a claim that [[IndexGetter]] properties were not defined in a way that ensured Array generics would work on host objects
  138. # [22:45] <jgraham> But iirc that's not actually the case)
  139. # [22:46] <jgraham> (although I guess it might be undefined which properties in HTML5/WebIDL should be ordinary properties and which should have associated getters/setters)
  140. # [22:47] <jgraham> (and maybe when things should be defined on the object and when they should be defined on the prototype)
  141. # [22:47] <jgraham> (but I would have to check WebIDL to verify that those things were actually undefined)
  142. # [22:59] <pimpbot> planet: Gmail for Mobile HTML5 Series: CSS Transforms and Floaty Bars <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/Cnk8AneT-EI/gmail-for-mobile-html5-series-css.html>
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  145. # [23:31] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Sep/0791.html>
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