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  19. # [04:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7831] New: Does the spec handle setting a drag object type, and having drop targets only respond/highlight to certain drag object types? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0067.html> ** [Bug 7830] New: Does the spec handle selecting multiple objects to drag (holding shift, or command keys) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0066.html>
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  29. # [09:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7832] New: The 'for' attribute could point to a element (eg. form) to indicate progress without need for scripting. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0068.html>
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  37. # [10:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7833] New: The 'demand' event should fire on the canvas whenever it's apperance may affect display. It may occur before document's 'load' event or much later. It is like image fetching from network, it should be up to the browser, when it actually fire. May be helpf <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0069.html>
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  40. # [10:25] <mjs> hsivonen: you've got some tough questions
  41. # [10:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7834] "If a new element is inserted between the two nodes that define pointer" - s/element/node/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0071.html> ** [Bug 7834] New: "If a new element is inserted between the two nodes that define pointer" - s/element/node/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0070.html>
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  43. # [11:00] <Hixie> can someone please explain to me the subtle difference between being a member of the htmlwg and not being a member of the htmlwg?
  44. # [11:01] <Hixie> since it doesn't seem to have anything to do with participating in the htmlwg
  45. # [11:01] <hsivonen> Hixie: PP commitment?
  46. # [11:01] <hsivonen> Hixie: also, I guess participants to the group are subscribed to public-html
  47. # [11:02] <Hixie> not being subscribed to public-html doesn't seem to matter when people continually check the archives
  48. # [11:02] <Philip> Members get to vote
  49. # [11:03] <Hixie> hm, ok
  50. # [11:03] <Hixie> interesting point
  51. # [11:04] <hsivonen> oh yeah, that, too
  52. # [11:04] <jgraham> Members have to set up a filter so that they don't get any email whereas non members get that for free
  53. # [11:05] <hsivonen> mjs: thanks for answering my questions
  54. # [11:06] <mjs> hsivonen: I'm not entirely sure what to do to the policy document, for both of them
  55. # [11:06] <mjs> former participants are (I think) still bound by the PP commitment
  56. # [11:07] <mjs> non-members don't get to vote in votes or polls or object to consensus resolutions
  57. # [11:07] <Philip> What happens if they violate the PP commitment?
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  59. # [11:11] <mjs> I would assume the Patent Policy says
  60. # [11:12] <gsnedders> I don't think the PP actually gives any specific penalties
  61. # [11:15] * jgraham wonders how the patent policy can really be apply to people who have not agreed to it
  62. # [11:16] <mjs> I think the way it's written, there's no way to violate it, because you have to either disclose, withdraw, or implicitly license any essential claims royalty-free
  63. # [11:17] <mjs> if you tried to then sue someone implementing the spec for patent infringement on an essential claim, the defendant would likely have a strong defense and the plaintiff would likely be smacked with penalties by the court
  64. # [11:17] <mjs> (IANAL but I believe this has happened in prior cases of trying to renege on IPR policy in a standards group)
  65. # [11:18] <mjs> jgraham: it only applies to people who have agreed to it
  66. # [11:18] <gsnedders> (IANAL but I remember that too)
  67. # [11:18] <mjs> i.e. participants and former participants have obligations
  68. # [11:18] <mjs> random non-members would have to agree explicitly
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  73. # [12:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7835] New: It's not defined what the ownerDocument should be for the created HTMLAudioElement. Similarly for new Image() and new Option() <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0072.html>
  74. # [12:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7837] New: "space separated list" in ping="" isn't properly xreffed <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0074.html> ** [Bug 7836] New: Should the name="" of a <map> be unique in the document? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0073.html>
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  79. # [13:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7838] New: The words "boolean attribute" aren't xreffed here. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0075.html>
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  91. # [13:56] <pimpbot> planet: What’s New in HTML 5: From the Large to the Nitty Gritty <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/nYWgNR9qVa8/whats-new-in-html-5-from-the-large-to-the-nitty-gritty>
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  94. # [14:06] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Index of attributes. (whatwg r4094) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0025.html>
  95. # [14:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7840] New: Index of attributes lacks global attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0077.html> ** [Bug 7839] New: Missing (unbalanced) quotemark before "checkbox" keyword. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0076.html>
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  105. # [15:04] <J_Voracek> I sincerely apologize. A change has been made in my usual schedule. I will be unable to attend today's teleconference.
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  107. # [15:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7841] New: s/that the user agent/the user agent/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0078.html>
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  111. # [15:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7842] New: No programmatic way to make an HTML document - consider adding createHTMLDocument <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0079.html>
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  115. # [16:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7843] Please make 'abort', ' loadend' and 'emptied' use "queue a task". Firing them sync is annoying to implement and doesn't seem to solve any problem. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0082.html> ** [Bug 7843] New: Please make 'abort', ' loadend' and 'emptied' use "queue a task". Firing them sync is annoying to implement and doesn't seem to solve any problem. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
  116. # [16:16] <anne> plh, what do we need an HTML PAG for?
  117. # [16:16] <anne> plh, something not public yet coming up?
  118. # [16:18] <plh> well, it's not clear whether we need one or not yet
  119. # [16:18] <plh> but there is this http://flex.sys-con.com/node/1134536
  120. # [16:18] <pimpbot> Title: Eolas Sues the Internet | Adobe Flex Journal (at flex.sys-con.com)
  121. # [16:19] <plh> if folks believe we need one, I'm sure we'll hear about it
  122. # [16:20] <hsivonen> plh: is the new Web Apps PAG for the same thing or something yet different?
  123. # [16:20] <plh> same thing
  124. # [16:20] <hsivonen> ok
  125. # [16:22] <plh> I think it will take a few weeks before folks poke us to move, if they want to.
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  130. # [17:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7846] New: javascript <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0085.html> ** [Bug 7845] New: javascript <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0084.html> ** [Bug 7844] New: Remove "that is in a Document and" when the src attribute is set and when a source is inserted, because there's no reason resource selection shouldn't be run when it's not in the document. Then we also don't
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  133. # [17:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7842] No programmatic way to make an HTML document - consider adding createHTMLDocument <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0086.html>
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  137. # [17:57] <msporny_> zakim, who is on the call?
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  140. # [17:58] <Julian> Manu, the call hasn't started yet
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  143. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
  144. # [17:58] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  145. # [17:58] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  146. # [17:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  147. # [17:58] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  148. # [17:58] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  149. # [17:58] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  150. # [17:58] <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2009
  151. # [17:58] <annevk> Zakim, passcode?
  152. # [17:58] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
  153. # [17:59] <Zakim> -Julian
  154. # [17:59] <Zakim> +carlos
  155. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +1.408.398.aaaa
  156. # [17:59] <cardona507> good morning
  157. # [17:59] <Zakim> +??P18
  158. # [17:59] <annevk> Zakim, ??P18 is me
  159. # [17:59] <Zakim> +annevk; got it
  160. # [17:59] <Zakim> +??P15
  161. # [17:59] <msporny_> zakim, I am ??P15
  162. # [17:59] <Zakim> +msporny_; got it
  163. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Sam
  164. # [17:59] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  165. # [17:59] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  166. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Plh
  167. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Rich
  168. # [17:59] * plh waves
  169. # [17:59] * msporny_ waves back :)
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  171. # [18:00] <plh> scribeNick: plh
  172. # [18:00] <plh> Chair: Sam
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  174. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  175. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  176. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Mike
  177. # [18:01] <Zakim> +laura
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  179. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P25
  180. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Matt
  181. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +44.492.512.80.aabb
  182. # [18:01] <Stevef> zakim, ??P25 is me
  183. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
  184. # [18:01] <dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
  185. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dsinger
  186. # [18:01] <Zakim> - +44.492.512.80.aabb
  187. # [18:02] <dsinger> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  188. # [18:02] <Zakim> On the phone I see Eliot_Graff, carlos, +1.408.398.aaaa, annevk, msporny_, Sam, Plh, Rich, laura, Mike, Stevef, Matt
  189. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Julian
  190. # [18:02] <cardona507> Zakim, mute carlos
  191. # [18:02] <Zakim> carlos should now be muted
  192. # [18:02] <dsinger> Zakim, aaaa is dsinger
  193. # [18:02] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  194. # [18:02] * plh zakim, mute me
  195. # [18:02] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  196. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  197. # [18:02] <dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
  198. # [18:02] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
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  200. # [18:03] <plh> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0001.html
  201. # [18:03] <Zakim> -dsinger
  202. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-08: AIs, Task Forces, TPAC/ECMA, Decision Policy from Sam Ruby on 2009-10-07 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
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  204. # [18:03] <plh> Topic: review of action items
  205. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> issue-56?
  206. # [18:03] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-56
  207. # [18:03] <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- OPEN
  208. # [18:03] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
  209. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-56 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> action-137?
  211. # [18:03] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-137
  212. # [18:03] <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- OPEN
  213. # [18:03] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
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  215. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  216. # [18:03] <Zakim> +dsinger
  217. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> issue-76?
  218. # [18:04] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-76
  219. # [18:04] <trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
  220. # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
  221. # [18:04] <msporny_> http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/Overview.html
  222. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  223. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: HTML+RDFa (at dev.w3.org)
  224. # [18:04] <plh> Manu: got through the html+rdfa and pubrules.
  225. # [18:04] <Zakim> -dsinger
  226. # [18:04] <paulc> q+
  227. # [18:04] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  228. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  229. # [18:04] <plh> ... everything looks like it's ready to go
  230. # [18:04] <plh> ... now we need the transition request. Mike?
  231. # [18:04] <adrianba> zakim, microsoft.a is adrianba
  232. # [18:04] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  233. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> action-147?
  234. # [18:04] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-147
  235. # [18:04] <trackbot> ACTION-147 -- Paul Cotton to work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
  236. # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/147
  237. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-147 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  239. # [18:05] <rubys> ack next
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  242. # [18:05] <Zakim> +dsinger
  243. # [18:05] <plh> Paul: sent some suggestions. status need some tweaking.
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  246. # [18:05] <plh> ... some missing references
  247. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Masinter
  248. # [18:06] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0240.html
  249. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML+RDFa FPWD ready for publishing from Paul Cotton on 2009-10-08 (public-html@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  250. # [18:06] <dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
  251. # [18:06] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  252. # [18:06] <plh> ... Mike needs a short name for the draft. html+rdfa
  253. # [18:06] <plh> Manu: rdfa-in-html ?
  254. # [18:06] <plh> ... I'll look at Paul's email
  255. # [18:07] * plh wonders if we should close 147 or not
  256. # [18:08] <plh> close action-147
  257. # [18:08] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-147.
  258. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-147 Work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish closed
  259. # [18:08] <plh> action-139?
  260. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-139
  261. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-139 -- Manu Sporny to propose 3 separate HTML5 drafts and the external Microdata draft -- due 2009-10-01 -- OPEN
  262. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/139
  263. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-139 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  264. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> action-139?
  265. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-139
  266. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-139 -- Manu Sporny to propose 3 separate HTML5 drafts and the external Microdata draft -- due 2009-10-01 -- OPEN
  267. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/139
  268. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-139 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  269. # [18:09] <plh> Manu: since rdfa is separated from the main body. it makes sense to pull the microdata section out of the main spec as well.
  270. # [18:09] <Zakim> +jerryEzrol
  271. # [18:09] <plh> ... we need pull it out, then we need 2 alternatives to reference normatively or not to microdata and html_rdfa.
  272. # [18:10] <plh> ... I'm working on the 3 documents.
  273. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  274. # [18:10] <plh> ... there should be discussion about separating out microdata, and on making references to microdata/html+rdfa.
  275. # [18:11] * masinter wonders if there has been any discussion of the technical merits of separation?
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  277. # [18:11] <plh> Sam: now that we have the process in place, we can move forward
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  280. # [18:11] <plh> Manu: I'll put a discussion topic then. My preference is of course to pull microdata out, and reference normatively microdata and html+rdfa
  281. # [18:11] <plh> action-139 due 10-15
  282. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-139.
  283. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-139 Propose 3 separate HTML5 drafts and the external Microdata draft due date now 10-15
  284. # [18:11] * masinter would prefer not to have normative references to dated specs if they are avoidable
  285. # [18:12] <mjs> fwiw my preference, and I think this would be easier to get consensus on, is to refer to neither normatively
  286. # [18:12] <plh> action-137?
  287. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-137
  288. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- OPEN
  289. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
  290. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  291. # [18:12] <plh> Larry: we're having a meeting on Monday with Martin Duerst and some other folks.
  292. # [18:12] <plh> ... I'm hoping to get Ian Hickson as well
  293. # [18:12] <plh> ... hoping to make some progress on the process and on the content
  294. # [18:13] <plh> ... the goal is to align html spec for URL with every other internet spec
  295. # [18:13] <Zakim> -dsinger
  296. # [18:13] <plh> ... so we need to get everybody on board
  297. # [18:13] * Quits: dsinger (mobile@67.218.102.11) (Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://rooms.derflash.de)
  298. # [18:13] <plh> ... feel good on making progress on getting the parties on board
  299. # [18:13] <Zakim> +dsinger
  300. # [18:13] <plh> ... would report back next week
  301. # [18:14] <plh> Sam: when will this be completed?
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  303. # [18:14] <plh> Larry: lots of parties that need to be involved. fallback is to say that html is different from others.
  304. # [18:14] <dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
  305. # [18:14] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  306. # [18:15] <plh> Sam: we need to set some expectation on when we'll use forward without waiting
  307. # [18:15] <plh> Larry: 2 weeks before last call
  308. # [18:15] <plh> Sam: we're trying to get this stuff done within a month. that's the rough idea.
  309. # [18:15] <msporny_> zakim, who is noisy?
  310. # [18:15] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  311. # [18:15] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  312. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Cooper.a
  313. # [18:15] <Zakim> msporny_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (4%), [Microsoft] (9%), Masinter (25%)
  314. # [18:15] <plh> Larry: it's progressing a lot faster than expected, so I'm optimistic.
  315. # [18:15] <plh> action-137 due 10-15
  316. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-137.
  317. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-137 Update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), due date now 10-15
  318. # [18:16] <plh> Larry: not sure I'll be able to make the call, but will send email
  319. # [18:16] <plh> action-138?
  320. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-138
  321. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce a matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
  322. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
  323. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-138 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  324. # [18:16] <Zakim> -Sam
  325. # [18:16] <plh> Steve: still working on it. it's taking over by the joint task force at the moment
  326. # [18:16] <Stevef> http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-aapi-minutes.html
  327. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ARIA User Agent Implementation Task Force -- 06 Oct 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  328. # [18:16] <rubys> redialing
  329. # [18:17] <plh> ... we've been discussing it. different approach now. working out from the spec and see where we disagree.
  330. # [18:17] <Zakim> +Sam
  331. # [18:17] <plh> ... we'll need to liaison with other WAI Groups as well
  332. # [18:17] <plh> s/son/se/
  333. # [18:18] <plh> Rich: will you be coming with proposed edits?
  334. # [18:18] <plh> Steve: yes, that's the intent
  335. # [18:18] <mjs> q+
  336. # [18:18] * Zakim sees mjs on the speaker queue
  337. # [18:19] <masinter> "some other folks": meeting at Google with Erik van der Poel, Mark Davis; call in with IETF area directors & proposed chair.
  338. # [18:19] <plh> Rich: Sam, what's the expectation for the draft/edits?
  339. # [18:19] <plh> Sam: we'll discuss that later in this call
  340. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> q?
  341. # [18:19] * Zakim sees mjs on the speaker queue
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  343. # [18:19] <rubys> ack next
  344. # [18:19] * Zakim sees mjs at the head of the speaker queue
  345. # [18:19] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  346. # [18:19] <plh> Steve: I can report next week but this issue will be taken over by the task force
  347. # [18:20] <plh> Maciej: we already an issue open for this. if what you're going to do is to propose edits, I recommend starting those specific changes in bugzilla, since we don't have a case of the editor rejecting the edits yet
  348. # [18:21] <plh> action-138, due 10-22
  349. # [18:21] <plh> Sam: and we'll discuss the process at the end
  350. # [18:21] <plh> action-144?
  351. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-144
  352. # [18:21] <trackbot> ACTION-144 -- Manu Sporny to produce a separate spec for profile attribute -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
  353. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/144
  354. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-144 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  355. # [18:21] <plh> Manu: this issue overlaps with RDFa slightly. profile is being in HTML 5. plan is get rid of it in the future.
  356. # [18:22] <plh> s/being/being obsoleted/
  357. # [18:22] <Julian> q+
  358. # [18:22] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  359. # [18:22] <plh> ... some people have an issue with that. some are fine with it being replaced by a rel reserved word
  360. # [18:22] <Julian> q+ to say that it currently is not conformant in HTML5
  361. # [18:22] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  362. # [18:22] <plh> ... it attempts to solve the versioning problem in HTML.
  363. # [18:23] <plh> ... so it's linked to a couple of issues
  364. # [18:23] <msporny_> http://html5.digitalbazaar.com/specs/html5-epb.html
  365. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: Extended Processing Behavior in HTML5 (at html5.digitalbazaar.com)
  366. # [18:23] <plh> ... the proposal uses the version attribute
  367. # [18:23] <plh> ... that's effectively what profile was trying to do
  368. # [18:24] <plh> ... there has been discussed on there. we could make changes in RDFa 1.1 and still provide backward compatibility with RDFa 1.0 if we had this version attribute. so there is a real reason for that.
  369. # [18:24] <plh> ... the discussion so far went through a wide range.
  370. # [18:25] <plh> ... so there will be an other draft
  371. # [18:25] <mjs> q+
  372. # [18:25] * Zakim sees Julian, mjs on the speaker queue
  373. # [18:25] <plh> ... hoping for more feedback on the new one
  374. # [18:25] * annevk has issues with introducing "version" but doesn't think it's worth mentioning them on the call
  375. # [18:25] <plh> Larry: not sure it was clear how independent this work is from RDFa.
  376. # [18:25] <mjs> I have issues with "version
  377. # [18:25] <mjs> " too
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  379. # [18:26] <mjs> q-
  380. # [18:26] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  381. # [18:26] <plh> Sam: the original issue is broader
  382. # [18:26] <masinter> q+ to ask about linking this to the versioning question
  383. # [18:26] * Zakim sees Julian, masinter on the speaker queue
  384. # [18:26] <mjs> but I'll take it to email
  385. # [18:26] <Zakim> +[Apple.a]
  386. # [18:26] <plh> Manu: Doug Schepers is interested in using RDFa in SVG. It could potentially used in other drafts.
  387. # [18:26] <Zakim> -dsinger
  388. # [18:26] <dsinger> zakim, [apple.a] has dsinger
  389. # [18:26] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  390. # [18:26] <rubys> ack next
  391. # [18:26] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  392. # [18:26] <masinter> q-
  393. # [18:26] <Zakim> Julian, you wanted to say that it currently is not conformant in HTML5
  394. # [18:26] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  395. # [18:26] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  396. # [18:27] <plh> Julian: the current HTML 5 does not make profile conforming. it's only in the section about obsolete attributes that are not conforming.
  397. # [18:27] <msporny_> +1 to what Julian said.
  398. # [18:27] <plh> ... given the amount of documents that relies on @profile, or the amoun of specs using it, we need to make it conforming.
  399. # [18:28] <plh> Sam: it would be good to use bugzilla as well here. nice to have a specific proposal associated with it
  400. # [18:28] <plh> Manu: seems ok. I thought it was rejected by Ian in the past
  401. # [18:28] <plh> Sam: I think Ian is not likely to take in but let's go through the bugzilla
  402. # [18:29] <plh> s/take in/take it/
  403. # [18:29] * plh zakim, unmute me
  404. # [18:29] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  405. # [18:29] <Julian> (documents may not be *relying* on @profile, but they contain it because they want to conform to other specs, and there's simply no good reason to make this non-conformant until those other specs have moved to a different mechanism (which we'd need to specify))
  406. # [18:30] <plh> ACTION: Manu to create a bugzilla entry on head/@profile
  407. # [18:30] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  408. # [18:30] <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Create a bugzilla entry on head/@profile [on Manu Sporny - due 2009-10-15].
  409. # [18:30] * RRSAgent records action 1
  410. # [18:30] <plh> action-144 due 10-29
  411. # [18:30] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-144.
  412. # [18:30] <trackbot> ACTION-144 Produce a separate spec for profile attribute due date now 10-29
  413. # [18:30] * plh zakim, mute me
  414. # [18:30] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  415. # [18:31] <paulc> ACTION-127 status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0241.html
  416. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: RE: ACTION-127: establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts from Paul Cotton on 2009-10-08 (public-html@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  417. # [18:31] <plh> action-127?
  418. # [18:31] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-127
  419. # [18:31] <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Paul Cotton to establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due 2009-10-01 -- OPEN
  420. # [18:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/127
  421. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-127 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  422. # [18:31] <plh> Paul: still working with the HCG to figure upcoming last calls
  423. # [18:31] <plh> ... responding to all solicitations on the chairs list
  424. # [18:31] <plh> ... one we can use as an example is MathML 3.0
  425. # [18:32] <plh> ... I arrange to have their last call close after TPAC
  426. # [18:32] <plh> ... so we need volunteers to review it
  427. # [18:32] <masinter> q+
  428. # [18:32] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  429. # [18:32] <plh> ... currently we use MathML 2.0 in HTML 5. should we change it to MathML 3.0 would be one of the questions
  430. # [18:32] <masinter> q-
  431. # [18:32] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  432. # [18:33] <masinter> i'll send email
  433. # [18:33] <plh> Sam: asking for volunteers seems fine to me. re MathML 3.0, let's enter an issue in bugzilla
  434. # [18:33] <plh> ACTION: Paul to enter a bugzilla entry on MathML 3.0
  435. # [18:33] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  436. # [18:33] * RRSAgent records action 2
  437. # [18:33] <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Enter a bugzilla entry on MathML 3.0 [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-15].
  438. # [18:33] <plh> action-127 due 10-22
  439. # [18:33] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-127.
  440. # [18:33] <trackbot> ACTION-127 establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts due date now 10-22
  441. # [18:33] * plh wlc
  442. # [18:34] * paulc tx
  443. # [18:34] <plh> No new issues
  444. # [18:34] <plh> No issue to close
  445. # [18:34] <plh> Topic: CfC emails
  446. # [18:34] <msporny_> q+
  447. # [18:34] * Zakim sees msporny_ on the speaker queue
  448. # [18:34] <plh> Sam: we got approval on both task forces. volunteers?
  449. # [18:34] <plh> Paul: got one volunteer for test tf.
  450. # [18:35] <plh> MichaelCooper: got some volunteers for the HTML/PF TF, from both sides.
  451. # [18:35] <plh> Sam: so we need to have this in hand
  452. # [18:35] * Zakim plh, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
  453. # [18:35] <plh> MichaelCooper: will send the info over
  454. # [18:36] <plh> Manu: testing. we got a suite of tests for RDFa in HTML5. we'll submit those
  455. # [18:36] <plh> Paul: can you reply on the thread saying that?
  456. # [18:36] <plh> Manu: sure
  457. # [18:37] <plh> Larry: scope of testing tf. will the tf give feedback on things that are not testable?
  458. # [18:37] <plh> Maciej: anyone can give feedback at anytime, that includes the TF
  459. # [18:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7847] New: for - label - "Associatd" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0087.html>
  460. # [18:38] <plh> Larry: I'm suggesting if it would be useful to highlight this so they keep it in mind. their goal is to improve the spec
  461. # [18:38] <plh> Sam: we have a decision for the TF and you now want to change the scope?
  462. # [18:38] <plh> Larry: if everyone is happy we can move on
  463. # [18:38] <masinter> no, i'm just asking a question
  464. # [18:38] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  465. # [18:38] <masinter> if no one wants to comment on my question, that's ok
  466. # [18:39] <plh> Paul: first task of the TF is to define its scope actually...
  467. # [18:39] <plh> ... send email to the TF or participate in it
  468. # [18:39] <paulc> Testing TF re scope see point 8 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0687.html
  469. # [18:39] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML WG Testing Task Force from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  470. # [18:39] <plh> Larry: thank you
  471. # [18:39] <plh> Topic: TPAC/TC39
  472. # [18:39] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/
  473. # [18:39] <pimpbot> Title: TPAC 2009: W3C Combined Technical Plenary / Advisory Committee Meeting (at www.w3.org)
  474. # [18:39] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/2009-11-f2f/
  475. # [18:40] <plh> Sam: there is a WBS going on. please reply there.
  476. # [18:40] <plh> ... don't think we have a firm agenda yet.
  477. # [18:40] <plh> ... friday morning, 10-12 is with TC39
  478. # [18:40] <plh> ... comments?
  479. # [18:40] <paulc> q+
  480. # [18:40] * Zakim sees msporny_, paulc on the speaker queue
  481. # [18:41] <msporny_> q-
  482. # [18:41] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  483. # [18:41] <plh> Larry: seems to me that it was more an issue with webapps than us
  484. # [18:41] <rubys> ack next
  485. # [18:41] * Zakim sees paulc at the head of the speaker queue
  486. # [18:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  487. # [18:41] <plh> Sam: it's not specific to us, it also includes webapps indeed
  488. # [18:41] <rubys> ack next
  489. # [18:41] * Zakim sees no one at the head of the speaker queue
  490. # [18:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  491. # [18:41] * Zakim hears Cynthia_Shelly's hand up
  492. # [18:41] * Zakim sees Cynthia_Shelly on the speaker queue
  493. # [18:41] <plh> Paul: how does TC39 going to meet with the webapps wg?
  494. # [18:42] <plh> Sam: scheduling has been a logistic nightmare. best we could come with
  495. # [18:42] <plh> Paul: the list coming out of TC39 was more pertinent to webapps...
  496. # [18:42] <plh> q+
  497. # [18:42] * Zakim sees Cynthia_Shelly, plh on the speaker queue
  498. # [18:42] <rubys> ack next
  499. # [18:42] * Zakim sees Cynthia_Shelly at the head of the speaker queue
  500. # [18:42] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  501. # [18:42] <plh> Maciej: logistics would be difficult to change now, so we could host it
  502. # [18:43] <masinter> just seems misleading to call this TC39/HTML when the topic isn't specific to HTML. I don't mind there being a meeting of W3C with TC39 which invites HTML WG members, it's just calling it a "joint meeting" that seems odd
  503. # [18:43] <plh> Cynthia: the accessibility task force would be meeting on monday/tuesday, one item is to provide input for the TC39 as well
  504. # [18:43] <rubys> ack next
  505. # [18:43] * Zakim sees plh at the head of the speaker queue
  506. # [18:43] * Zakim unmutes Plh
  507. # [18:43] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  508. # [18:43] <plh> Sam: please announce that on the list
  509. # [18:44] <plh> Larry: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-cg/2009JulSep/0110.html
  510. # [18:46] * plh zakim, mute me
  511. # [18:46] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  512. # [18:46] <plh> plh: [clarifies TC39 intent]
  513. # [18:46] <rubys> - my recollection was that TC39 originally suggested Wednesda
  514. # [18:46] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0189.html
  515. # [18:46] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Working Group Decision Policy - for discussion from Maciej Stachowiak on 2009-10-07 (public-html@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  516. # [18:47] <plh> Topic: HTML decision policy
  517. # [18:47] * dsinger sam you are cutting in and out. speak up
  518. # [18:47] <rubys> s/ my recollection was that TC39 originally suggested Wednesda//
  519. # [18:47] <dsinger> q+
  520. # [18:47] * Zakim sees dsinger on the speaker queue
  521. # [18:47] <msporny_> dsinger - sam isn't cutting in an out for me
  522. # [18:47] * plh zakim, who is making noise?
  523. # [18:47] * rubys copy/paste error
  524. # [18:47] * Zakim plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (10%), Julian (5%), [Apple] (100%), [Microsoft] (71%)
  525. # [18:48] <rubys> zakim, mute [Apple]
  526. # [18:48] <Zakim> [Apple] should now be muted
  527. # [18:48] <msporny_> woops
  528. # [18:48] <msporny_> zakim, unmute [Apple]
  529. # [18:48] <Zakim> [Apple] should no longer be muted
  530. # [18:48] * dsinger that was a bad idea. mjs is at apple
  531. # [18:48] * plh zakim, unmute me
  532. # [18:48] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  533. # [18:48] <plh> zakim, mute Microsoft
  534. # [18:48] <Zakim> [Microsoft] should now be muted
  535. # [18:49] * plh zakim, mute me
  536. # [18:49] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  537. # [18:49] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
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  539. # [18:49] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff
  540. # [18:49] <plh> Maciej: we have a draft. two phases. first bugzilla. main difference is that we're using bugzilla as the main entry point instead of email
  541. # [18:50] <plh> ... if you file a big, the editor will give you an initial feedback
  542. # [18:50] <plh> ... if you're not satisfied with you, you can go in the issue tracker
  543. # [18:50] <plh> ... escalation process
  544. # [18:50] <plh> ... you would make a change proposal
  545. # [18:50] <msporny_> zakim, who is on the call?
  546. # [18:50] <Zakim> On the phone I see carlos (muted), annevk, msporny_, Plh (muted), Rich, laura (muted), Mike, Stevef, Matt, Julian, [Microsoft] (muted), adrianba, Masinter, jerryEzrol, [Apple],
  547. # [18:50] <Zakim> ... Cooper.a, Sam, [Apple.a], Cynthia_Shelly, Eliot_Graff
  548. # [18:50] <Zakim> [Apple.a] has dsinger
  549. # [18:51] <plh> ... we're asking for change proposal to have a summary, a rational, and details of the proposal (spec text or edit instruction)
  550. # [18:51] <plh> ... if you ask the Chairs upfront, you can ask for exception to spec text or edit instruction.
  551. # [18:51] <plh> ... there will be deadlines associated with the escalation process
  552. # [18:51] <plh> ... if no one volunteers for a change proposal, it's timeout after a month
  553. # [18:52] <plh> ditto if you volunteer but don't deliver
  554. # [18:52] <plh> Maciej: this is to guarantee everyone gets full due process.
  555. # [18:52] <plh> Maciej: look at the document for details
  556. # [18:52] <msporny_> +1 for this newly documented process... it's a move in the right direction.
  557. # [18:53] <plh> ... especially if you want to provide feedback on the specs
  558. # [18:53] <plh> Manu: how does it integrate with the WHATWG editorial process?
  559. # [18:54] <plh> Maciej: if you want to communicate with Ian Hickson out of band, that's ok and we won't track you, but if you want your comment to be tracked by us, use our process
  560. # [18:54] <adrianba> q+
  561. # [18:54] * Zakim sees dsinger, adrianba on the speaker queue
  562. # [18:54] <plh> ?: change proposal?
  563. # [18:54] <masinter> is a goal to insure that the responses to comments come from "the working group" and are agreed to?
  564. # [18:54] <plh> Maciej: could be a separate document, wiki, etc. we're happy to help.
  565. # [18:54] <masinter> q+
  566. # [18:54] * Zakim sees dsinger, adrianba, masinter on the speaker queue
  567. # [18:55] <rubys> ack adrianba
  568. # [18:55] * Zakim sees dsinger, masinter on the speaker queue
  569. # [18:55] <plh> Adrian: editor response section. spec diff, we have some technical issues regarding spec diff.
  570. # [18:55] <richardschwerdtfe> q+
  571. # [18:55] * Zakim sees dsinger, masinter, richardschwerdtfe on the speaker queue
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  573. # [18:56] <masinter> and if so... is it also a goal to insure that changes to the spec which are not in response to comments also are reviewed by the working group?
  574. # [18:56] <plh> Maciej: Ian mentioned that he has multiple changes queued up, so difficult to put it the exact revision number. we'll address that by making sure somebody develops a tool, or volunteers to produce the information.
  575. # [18:56] <plh> Adrian: concerned about going through the spec for changes...
  576. # [18:56] <plh> Maciej: you'll go throught the logs
  577. # [18:57] <plh> Adrian: it's fine if the checkin addresses more than one issue, but concerned if there is no link.
  578. # [18:57] <plh> Maicje: we'll refine the process/responses as we go
  579. # [18:57] <plh> Maciej: for the summary changes, do a change proposal
  580. # [18:57] <plh> ... are you ok with the one month deadline?
  581. # [18:57] * rubys notes that we are low on time...
  582. # [18:57] * plh zakim, unmute me
  583. # [18:57] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  584. # [18:58] * plh zakim, mute me
  585. # [18:58] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  586. # [18:58] <paulc> q+
  587. # [18:58] * Zakim sees dsinger, masinter, richardschwerdtfe, paulc on the speaker queue
  588. # [18:58] <masinter> q-
  589. # [18:58] <plh> Cynthia: I'm ok with one month
  590. # [18:58] * Zakim sees dsinger, richardschwerdtfe, paulc on the speaker queue
  591. # [18:58] <paulc> q-
  592. # [18:58] * Zakim sees dsinger, richardschwerdtfe on the speaker queue
  593. # [18:58] <rubys> ack richardschwerdtfe
  594. # [18:58] * Zakim sees dsinger on the speaker queue
  595. # [18:59] <plh> Rich: concerned about the size of changes sometimes. not sure if it will work.
  596. # [18:59] <plh> ... the process is that we have an issue on standard ARIA support
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  598. # [18:59] <plh> ... huge set of changes, then we'll have discussion on bugzilla?
  599. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Matt
  600. # [19:00] <masinter> wonders if there might be a plan for reviewing the process and seeing if it is working, say, 6 weeks after the new process is instituted
  601. # [19:00] <plh> Maciej: for ARIA, we need to have requests for each change related to ARIA. ie file bugzilla bugs individuals.
  602. # [19:00] <plh> s/als/ally/
  603. # [19:00] <plh> Rich: we're willing to give it a try
  604. # [19:00] <rubys> +1 to masinter's suggestion
  605. # [19:00] <plh> Cynthia: fine
  606. # [19:00] <plh> Steve: ditto
  607. # [19:00] <Zakim> -jerryEzrol
  608. # [19:00] <rubys> ack next
  609. # [19:00] * Zakim sees dsinger at the head of the speaker queue
  610. # [19:00] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  611. # [19:00] <plh> Topic: Reminder about gathering
  612. # [19:01] <plh> David: reminder about the gathering on accessiblity for media elements in HTML
  613. # [19:01] <dsinger> I just wanted to remind people of the informal accessibility workshop. Maybe folks are put off by the requirement to speak, but it doesn't have to be an academic paper. Just identify in advance what expertise and knowledge and ideas you can share with the group; we want talkers and workers
  614. # [19:01] <masinter> +q to tell people about http://doodle.com/afp2fuek353ynv38 survey working on IRIs/ URI issue
  615. # [19:01] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  616. # [19:01] <pimpbot> Title: Doodle: Participation in IRI specification development (at doodle.com)
  617. # [19:01] <plh> David: please sign up
  618. # [19:01] <plh> Cynthia: remote participation?
  619. # [19:01] <plh> David: we've got several requests, I'll check
  620. # [19:02] <rubys> ack next
  621. # [19:02] * Zakim sees masinter at the head of the speaker queue
  622. # [19:02] <Zakim> masinter, you wanted to tell people about http://doodle.com/afp2fuek353ynv38 survey working on IRIs/ URI issue
  623. # [19:02] <pimpbot> Title: Doodle: Participation in IRI specification development (at doodle.com)
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  625. # [19:02] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  626. # [19:02] <plh> Topic: Scribe for next meeting?
  627. # [19:02] <masinter> q-
  628. # [19:02] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  629. # [19:02] <plh> Sam: any volunteer?
  630. # [19:02] <mjs> masinter, to address your last question, yes, we should monitor whether the process is working, and 6 weeks from now seems like a fine time to check in
  631. # [19:02] <plh> [none heard]
  632. # [19:02] <plh> [adjourned]
  633. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Julian
  634. # [19:02] * dsinger thx!
  635. # [19:02] <cardona507> thanks again everyone
  636. # [19:02] * plh zakim, unmute me
  637. # [19:02] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  638. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Masinter
  639. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Sam
  640. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  641. # [19:02] <Zakim> -carlos
  642. # [19:02] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  643. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Cooper.a
  644. # [19:02] <Zakim> -[Apple.a]
  645. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Stevef
  646. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Plh
  647. # [19:03] <Zakim> -adrianba
  648. # [19:03] * plh wonders what he should with the minutes
  649. # [19:03] <Zakim> -msporny_
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  652. # [19:03] * plh do
  653. # [19:03] <Zakim> -laura
  654. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  655. # [19:03] * plh Sam, want me to send the minutes to public-html?
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  657. # [19:03] * rubys yes, plh, please do!
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  660. # [19:04] * plh ok, will do today
  661. # [19:05] <Zakim> -annevk
  662. # [19:05] <mjs> I'm happy to field further questions about the policy document on IRC btw if anyone wants to ask
  663. # [19:05] <mjs> or comments
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  666. # [19:08] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  667. # [19:08] <Zakim> -Rich
  668. # [19:09] <Zakim> -Mike
  669. # [19:09] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  670. # [19:09] <Zakim> Attendees were Julian, Eliot_Graff, carlos, +1.408.398.aaaa, annevk, msporny_, Sam, Plh, Rich, Mike, laura, Matt, +44.492.512.80.aabb, Stevef, dsinger, [Microsoft], adrianba,
  671. # [19:09] <Zakim> ... Masinter, jerryEzrol, [Apple], Cooper.a, Cynthia_Shelly
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  678. # [19:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/08-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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