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  1. # Session Start: Mon Oct 19 00:00:00 2009
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  5. # [00:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7778] "interpreted as a character encoding" is not linked to a defined algorithm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0262.html> ** [Bug 7775] are the extra events needed when status is checking or downloading <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0261.html>
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  7. # [01:06] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: cache manifests should not have overlapping online whitelist namespaces (whatwg r4171) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0090.html> ** hixie: Define the task source for appcache and online/offline events. (whatwg r4170) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0089.html>
  8. # [01:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7783] appcache download events <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0272.html> ** [Bug 7964] Either change the "properties of an item" algorithm to be tree-order or HTMLPropertyCollection.values to be algorithm-order <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0271.html> ** [Bug 7781] forbid duplicate online whitelist namespaces <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html
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  10. # [02:06] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Correct case of various microdata attributes. (whatwg r4174) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0093.html> ** hixie: Clarify the issue regarding appcaches and cookie UI. (whatwg r4173) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0092.html> ** hixie: Get rid of a potential race condition in the cache update process. (whatwg r4172) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
  11. # [02:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7794] IDL attribute should be refId for consistency with e.g. getElementById" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0279.html> ** [Bug 7786] change priority for online whitelist namespaces other than * <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0277.html> ** "[Bug 7785] "Expiring application caches" feedback" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/
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  16. # [03:53] <cardona507> can anyone help with an appcache issue?
  17. # [03:56] <cardona507> I have created the cache manifest and have it serving with the correct mime type. Firefox is asking if it can save data for offline use. And my cache shows the same amount of data as the files on the manifest. But when I disconnect from the network it doesn't seem to work. Any tips?
  18. # [04:04] <MikeSmith> @bug7794
  19. # [04:04] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Huh?
  20. # [04:04] <MikeSmith> @bug 7794
  21. # [04:04] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: Damn. Something's busted. Find MikeSmith.
  22. # [04:05] <MikeSmith> 困ったなー
  23. # [04:06] <MikeSmith> cardona507: about appcache testing, you might have better luck asking somewhere on irc.mozilla.org
  24. # [04:06] <MikeSmith> not sure which channel, but could ask on #developers
  25. # [04:07] <cardona507> mikesmith - thanks - I have asked in #firefox - what about for the iphone?
  26. # [04:07] <MikeSmith> cardona507: #webkit on irc.freenode.net
  27. # [04:07] <MikeSmith> not specific to iphone of course
  28. # [04:08] <MikeSmith> appcache problems are notoriously hard to troubleshoot
  29. # [04:09] <MikeSmith> a while back I filed a Webkit bug (enhancement request) asking that the Webkit Web Inspector provide a means to examine application cache contents
  30. # [04:09] <MikeSmith> and there was some recent discussion in that bug
  31. # [04:09] * MikeSmith goes to try to find the bug number
  32. # [04:10] <cardona507> yeah - that seems to be the case - I have been having issues for 2 days and I am pretty sure its correct - but something must be off. I have always wondered if you were the mike smith who was the product manager for chrome frame?
  33. # [04:10] <MikeSmith> cardona507: nope, we are different Mike Smiths :)
  34. # [04:11] <cardona507> yeah - I figured you might be kinda busy with the spec :)
  35. # [04:12] <cardona507> I am just trying to get my simple html5 <audio> page to cache on an iphone and be available offline
  36. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> cardona507: see discussion at https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24529
  37. # [04:13] <cardona507> http://cardonadesigns.com/html5/iphone/
  38. # [04:13] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 24529 Add support in Web Inspector for examining/changing data for HTML5 offline-Web-applications (application cache) (at bugs.webkit.org)
  39. # [04:13] <pimpbot> Title: Open to the source (at cardonadesigns.com)
  40. # [04:13] <cardona507> thanks mikesmith
  41. # [04:15] <MikeSmith> the message David Kilzer quotes there is from a guy who's doing development for some iphone app that makes use of appcache
  42. # [04:17] <MikeSmith> cardona507: that Safari-iPhone-Web-Dev mailing list might be a good place to get help too
  43. # [04:17] <MikeSmith> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/safari-iphone-web-dev
  44. # [04:17] <pimpbot> Title: Safari-iPhone-Web-Dev Info Page (at lists.apple.com)
  45. # [04:20] <cardona507> I like how pimpbot reads the <title> from the link - handy - thanks again mikesmith
  46. # [04:23] <MikeSmith> cardona507: pimpbot sometimes has trouble getting the titles right but he does OK for the most part
  47. # [04:23] <cardona507> why is it called pimpbot?
  48. # [04:28] <MikeSmith> cardona507: because it's a shorter name than any of the alternatives I could think of
  49. # [04:30] <cardona507> is it an acronym? and if so for what? did you create it?
  50. # [04:35] <MikeSmith> cardona507: I added it to the channel but didn't exactly create it.. I think it's an acronym for "Pimping IRC Message Program", but I'm not sure
  51. # [04:41] <cardona507> how about zakim?
  52. # [04:41] <cardona507> is it universal to all working group telecons?
  53. # [04:51] <Hixie> MikeSmith: bugzilla broke. can't work until it's fixed. :-)
  54. # [04:52] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah, I'm trying to get it fixed but its looking like it might take a while, unfortunately
  55. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> I'll let you know as soon as I get word about it
  56. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> cardona507: yeah, zakim is used across many W3C working groups
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  58. # [06:40] <Hixie> well if the bug database is down for long enough, i can claim that i have no known issues to fix, and we can go to last call!
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  66. # [09:25] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: it seems to me that lists.w3.org goes 500 on /mid/ URLs
  67. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: just recently?
  68. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> or has it been doing it for a while?
  69. # [09:32] <MikeSmith> Hixie: bugzilla is back now
  70. # [09:32] <Hixie> thanks
  71. # [09:33] <Hixie> MikeSmith: www.w3.org has the /mid/ URLs, no?
  72. # [09:33] <Hixie> er
  73. # [09:33] <Hixie> /MikeSmith/hsivonen/
  74. # [09:35] * MikeSmith doesn't want to admit that he doesn't know what /mid/ URLs are.. wonders if there is a particular URL he can try
  75. # [09:35] <Hixie> i assume hsivonen is referring to the URLs in Archived-At headers
  76. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> ah, OK
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  78. # [09:41] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: just in the past hour or so
  79. # [09:42] <hsivonen> and yes, I was referring to Archived-At URLs
  80. # [09:43] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: http://www.w3.org/mid/63df84f0910040014v4755d196w713e0c65620e3a4e@mail.gmail.com is a URL that isn't working for me
  81. # [09:44] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Microdata vocabulary specifications from Jonas Sicking on 2009-10-04 (public-html@w3.org from October 2009) (at www.w3.org)
  82. # [09:44] <hsivonen> yay. working now
  83. # [09:46] <MikeSmith> yeah, just now fixed
  84. # [09:46] <hsivonen> thanks
  85. # [09:47] <MikeSmith> systems team in the process of unwinding some borkenness that seems to have happened a few hours back
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  87. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: I think most of the systems are back to normal now, but if you notice anything else, definitely let me know
  88. # [09:55] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: ok
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  97. # [13:09] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove the 'content model flag' and expand it into separate states instead. This edit *should* have no effect on black-box conformance requirements. Please report any changes you find. (whatwg r4177) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0096.html> ** hixie: Rename an insertion mode to prepare for more tokenizer modes. (whatwg r4176) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0095.html>
  98. # [13:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7964] Either change the "properties of an item" algorithm to be tree-order or HTMLPropertyCollection.values to be algorithm-order <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0280.html>
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  121. # [19:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7971] New: <base> UA requirements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0281.html>
  122. # [20:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7766] Fallback namespace overlap/repetition ignored <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0283.html> ** [Bug 7768] Manifest download error means obsolete or idle cache group? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0282.html>
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  124. # [20:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7768] Manifest download error means obsolete or idle cache group? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0287.html> ** "[Bug 7766] Fallback namespace overlap/repetition ignored" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0286.html> ** [Bug 7689] Cache-defeating semantics are not defined <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/028
  125. # [21:05] <annevk> Julian, exactly the same goes for RDFa I think
  126. # [21:19] <Julian> Anne, the difference is that for the HTML5 draft there was a big package to agree or not to agree on.
  127. # [21:19] <Julian> Anne, if the lesson of this is that I need to formally object to WD publication in case I disagree with a section, I'll have to learn that.
  128. # [21:22] <jgraham> Julian: The same could be said of me and RDFa, for example
  129. # [21:23] <annevk> what jgraham said was my point
  130. # [21:23] <Julian> so it appears both have a comparable level of support in the WG
  131. # [21:23] <Julian> why are they treated differently then?
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  133. # [21:23] <annevk> I don't know if they have comparable support
  134. # [21:24] <jgraham> Because the people who support them have different ideas about how they should be treated
  135. # [21:24] <annevk> and I'm not even sure if they can be compared like that
  136. # [21:24] <jgraham> (and obviously we haven't got data about the level of support)
  137. # [21:24] <Julian> Anne, because...?
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  144. # [22:57] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5’s Element? Try HTML 1.0 <http://shawn.medero.net/2009/10/19/html5s-element-try-html-1-0/>
  145. # [22:59] <jgraham> heh
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