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  9. # [00:17] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Allow UAs to avoid starting the caching algorithm until the network is up. (whatwg r4213) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0131.html> ** hixie: Make 'abort' and 'emptied' events in load() fire asynchronously. (whatwg r4212) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0130.html>
  10. # [00:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7862] Support Extended Processing Behavior via @profile/@version" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0392.html> ** [Bug 7806] atom ID element generation for feed entries <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0390.html> ** [Bug 7861] requirements for meta/http-equiv extensions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0389
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  14. # [00:47] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Examples for type=datetime and type=datetime-local. (whatwg r4214) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0132.html>
  15. # [00:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7865] BenB wants an example of use of datetime-local, e.g. "What time should your event start", with no timezone information, so that the site can keep the event starting at that time in the user's time zone regardless of what time zone the user moves to by the" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0396.html> ** [Bug 7862] Support Extended Processing Behavior via @profile/@version <
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  17. # [01:18] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Clarify that weeks start on Mondays for the purpose of type=week. (whatwg r4215) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0133.html>
  18. # [01:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7869] complicated calculation given, but not clearly (only implicitly) stating the obvious question: which day does the week start with? I strongly feel it's Monday, but other people/cultures disagree, I think. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0403.html> ** [Bug 7870] how does a user enter a "week"? calendar widget? how would he enter it as text? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzill
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  29. # [02:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7875] term: a "range" is an interval between two numbers, e.g. 2-4 or 1969-2032. the term "range" does not mean "imprecise number". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0406.html> ** [Bug 7872] I have no idea how a "search field" would look like, on any platform. describe. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0405.html> ** [Bug 7871] there's more meaning to a password fiel
  30. # [02:47] <mjs> does anyone here know how the HTML WG wiki at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ works?
  31. # [02:47] <pimpbot> Title: HTML - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
  32. # [02:47] <mjs> I'd like to make a new template
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  35. # [05:41] <MikeSmith> action-154?
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  37. # [05:41] <trackbot> ACTION-154 -- Paul Cotton to check on F2F room size and number of participants -- due 2009-10-22 -- OPEN
  38. # [05:41] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/154
  39. # [05:41] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-154 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  40. # [05:46] <MikeSmith> action-154: Update: We have secured large rooms for both days, and will be able to seat all group participants at U-shape table arrangements, and all observers at the periphery.
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  42. # [05:46] <trackbot> ACTION-154 Check on F2F room size and number of participants notes added
  43. # [05:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7862] Support Extended Processing Behavior via @profile/@version <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0407.html>
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  45. # [06:05] <pimpbot> planet: Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2009-10-20 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/251> ** Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2009-10-20 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/250>
  46. # [06:49] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Had wrong interface name. (whatwg r4217) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0135.html> ** hixie: grammar typo (whatwg r4216) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0134.html>
  47. # [06:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7880] 'popstate' event has a different interface than it says in the index <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0413.html> ** "[Bug 7879] 'unload' event has a different interface than it says in the index" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0412.html> ** [Bug 7877] A media.stop() method would be advantageous, having just pause does restrict the bou
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  52. # [07:19] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Had wrong interface name. (whatwg r4220) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0138.html> ** hixie: Had wrong interface name. (whatwg r4219) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0137.html> ** hixie: Had wrong interface name. (whatwg r4218) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0136.html>
  53. # [07:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7977] Define whether application/octet-stream with parameters is a type that the user agent knows it cannot render <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0420.html> ** [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0419.html> ** [Bug 7882] 'message' events has a different interface than it says in the index <http://l
  54. # [07:49] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Allow UAs to use the URL to sniff encoding. (whatwg r4230) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0148.html> ** hixie: duplicate id attributes (whatwg r4229) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0147.html> ** hixie: typo (whatwg r4228) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0146.html> ** hixie: grammar (whatwg r4227) <http://lists.w3.org/Archiv
  55. # [07:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7895] In step 6, it should be allowed (and clear that it is allowed) for UAs to use additional data such as the site TLD to guess the correct encoding" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0439.html> ** [Bug 7893] In the example <div id="b" itemprop="band" itemscope id="jazzband"> the div element has two id attributes. Is this desirable? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-h
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  57. # [08:19] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Add pageshow and pagehide events. (whatwg r4231) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0149.html>
  58. # [08:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7862] Support Extended Processing Behavior via @profile/@version <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0444.html> ** [Bug 7806] atom ID element generation for feed entries <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0443.html> ** "[Bug 7896] Specify pageshow and pagehide events" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0442.html>
  59. # [08:35] <pimpbot> planet: Apple goes live with HTML5 video <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/Q2dtud7rewo/apple-html5-video>
  60. # [08:49] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Include more obsolete features. (whatwg r4233) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0151.html> ** hixie: Exclude legacy attributes from <embed>'s 'any attribute' policy. (whatwg r4232) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0150.html>
  61. # [08:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7905] Markup in second example has formatting broken - titlecase on tags and > creating line breaks <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0451.html> ** "[Bug 7898] Maybe this section should cover all elements and attributes historically allowed by IETF standards and W3C Recommendations but no longer allowed, such as <rb> and <a urn> for consistency" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi
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  66. # [09:20] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Correct text in a domintro that still referred to an 'item' attribute. (whatwg r4234) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0152.html>
  67. # [09:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7908] the item attribute is gone, DOM intro box for element.properties needs to be updated" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0455.html> ** [Bug 7906] The venn diagram is all black in the PDF copy <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0453.html> ** [Bug 7862] Support Extended Processing Behavior via @profile/@version <http://lists.w3.org/Archiv
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  70. # [09:30] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r471 /trunk/relaxng/embed.rnc:
  71. # [09:30] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: added the "name" and "align" attributes to the list of attributes that are explicitly excluded on the embed element (b=668)
  72. # [09:30] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=668
  73. # [09:30] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 668 disallow the name and align attributes on the embed element (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
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  75. # [09:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Introduce <meta name=author>; specify that name=application-name and name=description can't be duplicated; minor editorial tweaks. (whatwg r4237) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0155.html> ** hixie: remove no-num class from IANA section (whatwg r4236) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0154.html> ** hixie: copy pasta affected toc (whatwg r4235) <http://lists.w3.org/A
  76. # [09:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7910] Since IANA considerations is an appendix, its subsections should be marked as such as well. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0461.html> ** [Bug 7909] It seems like this is a subsection of the wrong section. Either it should just be a level up or it should be moved up one section. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0460.html> ** [Bug 7989] New: nextid, rb and sp
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  85. # [10:20] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make document.close() more evil. (whatwg r4241) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0159.html> ** hixie: Add <itemref> to the index. (whatwg r4240) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0158.html> ** hixie: 'properties' is an object, not an array. (Also, add a note regarding a possible extension to hte previous checkin.) (whatwg r4239) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/p
  86. # [10:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7917] document.close() should attempt to tokenize" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0470.html> ** [Bug 7915] “itemref†element is missing, <http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#itemref> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0468.html> ** [Bug 7910] Since IANA considerations is an appendix, its subse
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  88. # [10:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7926] Undefine insertion point if parser on call stack doing anything other than running script element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0475.html> ** [Bug 7924] xaXAafs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0474.html> ** [Bug 7923] What about local files access? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0473.html> ** [Bug 7920] media que
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  91. # [11:20] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: I had marked the wrong event as a ProgressEvent. (whatwg r4244) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0162.html> ** hixie: Remove unnecessary emphasis. (whatwg r4243) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0161.html> ** hixie: Misplaced loop label in 'li' processing. (whatwg r4242) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0160.html>
  92. # [11:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7946] Ping-From, Ping-To: wrong heading level or in the wrong section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0487.html> ** [Bug 7945] Add a reference to [PROGRESS] here, or make |progress| a simple event (twice) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0486.html> ** [Bug 7942] It's not defined what happens when properties is set. Throw INVALID_ACCESS_ERR? <http://lists.w3.org
  93. # [11:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: xref (whatwg r4250) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0167.html> ** hixie: Make the example self-consistent. (whatwg r4249) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0166.html> ** hixie: Mention that sniffing the encoding violates HTTP. (whatwg r4248) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0165.html> ** hixie: Wrong reference in note. (whatwg r424
  94. # [11:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7953] s/must be performd/must be performed/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0503.html> ** [Bug 7926] Undefine insertion point if parser on call stack doing anything other than running script element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0502.html> ** [Bug 7952] s/<span>same</span>/same/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0501.html>
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  96. # [12:20] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: xref (whatwg r4256) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0171.html> ** hixie: xref (whatwg r4254) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0170.html> ** hixie: xref issue (whatwg r4253) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0169.html> ** hixie: typo (whatwg r4251) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0168.html>
  97. # [12:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7990] New: Add itemref interface <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0520.html> ** [Bug 7964] Either change the "properties of an item" algorithm to be tree-order or HTMLPropertyCollection.values to be algorithm-order <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0519.html> ** [Bug 7962] s/<span>last event ID string</span>/<span title="concept-event-stream-last-event-id">last even
  98. # [12:36] <pimpbot> planet: What are unusual and creative usages of html5 canvas <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1599792/what-are-unusual-and-creative-usages-of-html5-canvas>
  99. # [12:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7868] what about time zones? which one is used? local (may be difficult to find out)? is this communicated to the user? can he change it? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0523.html> ** [Bug 7964] Either change the "properties of an item" algorithm to be tree-order or HTMLPropertyCollection.values to be algorithm-order <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0522.html> **
  100. # [13:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7965] "ASCII case-sensitive" in "Markup declaration open state" is a broken xref <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0525.html> ** "[Bug 7868] what about time zones? which one is used? local (may be difficult to find out)? is this communicated to the user? can he change it?" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0524.html>
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  103. # [13:51] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Mention what the special characters are. (whatwg r4260) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0175.html> ** hixie: Clarify whether application/octet-stream with parameters is a type that the user agent knows it cannot render (whatwg r4259) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0174.html> ** hixie: Shift the definition of 'document base URL' back into HTML5. (whatwg r4258) <ht
  104. # [13:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7979] "special characters" is unnecessarily vague -- refer to delimiters" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0539.html> ** [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0537.html> ** "[Bug 7977] Define whether application/octet-stream with parameters is a type that the user agent knows it ca
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  107. # [14:21] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: add itemref interface to index (whatwg r4267) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0182.html> ** hixie: make nextid, spacer, and rb non-elements for the purposes of the DOM. (whatwg r4266) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0181.html> ** hixie: Transition <spacer> to the dustbin of history. (whatwg r4265) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Oct/0180
  108. # [14:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0555.html> ** [Bug 7964] Either change the "properties of an item" algorithm to be tree-order or HTMLPropertyCollection.values to be algorithm-order <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0554.html> ** [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://
  109. # [14:22] <Philip> It'd be nice if pimpbot didn't render itself useless by truncating these messages, so that they're noisy and still don't tell you everything that's going on
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  112. # [14:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7992] New: Original insertion mode concept doesn't work well when SVG with HTML content embedded in non-body context <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0557.html> ** [Bug 7991] New: "This specification ... include ... a full duplex client-server communication channel" - I assume that refers to Web Sockets, which is no longer included in this spec <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/
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  114. # [15:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7995] New: "The attribute value can be left unquoted if it doesn't contain any of " ' ` = < or >." - should also mention space characters <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0561.html> ** [Bug 7994] New: afdasfasdf <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0560.html> ** [Bug 7868] what about time zones? which one is used? local (may be difficult to find out)? is this communica
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  119. # [17:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7997] New: "if it matches the media-type token" - s/token/rule/ (to use the correct ABNF terminology) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0564.html> ** [Bug 7996] New: "any MIME type ending with the four characters "+xml"" - even the 'valid MIME type' "text/html; charset=utf8+xml", and not "application/xhtml+xml; charset=utf8"? Probably this should require the MIME type's *subtype* to end with +xml <http:
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  128. # [19:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8000] New: ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0566.html> ** [Bug 7998] New: "any of the DOM and WebAPI specifications" - what's a WebAPI specification? (Presumably this refers to Web IDL, but I can only tell that by looking at the Web IDL spec's URL in the references section, so it's not very clear.) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publ
  129. # [19:39] <pimpbot> planet: font_dragr: a drag and drop preview tool for fonts <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/10/font_dragr-a-drag-and-drop-preview-tool-for-fonts/>
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  133. # [20:31] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0534.html
  134. # [20:31] <pimpbot> Title: [Bug 7974] Please explain what the use case is for the 'emptied' event or drop the event from the spec from bugzillawiggum.w3.org on 2009-10-21 (public-html-bugzilla@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  135. # [20:31] <mjs> that is one example
  136. # [20:31] <mjs> here is another, where he agreed with the reporter: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0535.html
  137. # [20:31] <pimpbot> Title: [Bug 7977] Define whether application/octet-stream with parameters is a type that the user agent knows it cannot render from bugzillawiggum.w3.org on 2009-10-21 (public-html-bugzilla@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  138. # [20:32] <mjs> (if you click the bug link in that second one, you can see the diff in a separate message)
  139. # [20:32] <mjs> here is yet another: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0530.html
  140. # [20:32] <pimpbot> Title: [Bug 7972] It appears that the steps listed for what to do when reset() is invoked contain a race condition unless step 1 (checking if already marked) and step 2 (marking the form as locked) are performed atomically together. from bugzillawiggum.w3.org on 2009-10-21 (public-html-bugzilla@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  141. # [20:33] <mjs> (sorry, I don't know how to easily find all of them)
  142. # [20:33] <mjs> I'm sure Ian will also be responsive to feedback on the formatting and on whether more detailed rationales are needed for particular issues
  143. # [20:34] <mjs> er
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  148. # [21:41] <Julian> can anybody recommend a less expensive hotel relatively close to the Santa Clara Marriott?
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