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  6. # [01:12] * Topic is 'Pursuing conformance solutions for the N-body gravitational system known as "the Web", and in general, collectively performing various acts of unparalleled hubris (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/)'
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  15. # [06:12] <Hixie> bugzilla sure is down a lot
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  18. # [06:26] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah, I'm again trying to get it fixed
  19. # [06:27] <MikeSmith> and I'm going to hack up some kind of simple watchdog so I can get notified if/when it goes down
  20. # [06:42] <MikeSmith> @bugmail
  21. # [06:42] <pimpbot> MikeSmith: "[Bug 8038] Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0788.html> ** [Bug 8003] line breaks in attributes (especially title) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0786.html> ** [Bug 8038] Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for (50 more messages)
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  32. # [10:01] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r478 /trunk/relaxng/warnings.sch:
  33. # [10:01] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: new "warnings.sch" file, for Schematron reporting of "conforming but obsolete" attributes (b=621)
  34. # [10:01] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=621
  35. # [10:01] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 621 add "warnings.sch" schematron file for reporting "conforming but obsolete" attributes (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
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  38. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie: bugzilla is back
  39. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> just in time for you to call it day..
  40. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> I'll sync up with the systems team to get the availability problems fixed
  41. # [10:40] <MikeSmith> hopefully this will be last outage for a while
  42. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> anyway, I set up a cron job to run every ten minutes and send an alert to my mobile if it finds any bugzilla availability problem
  43. # [10:41] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: hsivonen * r77 /trunk/build.py: Use hg for the parser
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  48. # [11:04] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r479 /trunk/relaxng/warnings.sch: fixed schematron validity problem (pattern element is required)
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  55. # [12:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8038] Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0789.html>
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  57. # [12:34] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: hsivonen * r78 /trunk/build.py: Fix the hg commands
  58. # [12:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8060] Why must class be a set of unique tokens? It's quite common to have duplicates (~0.5% of dotbot pages), and convenient when you're programmatically generating HTML, and harmless <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0795.html> ** [Bug 8000] ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0794.html> ** [Bug 8038] Per
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  60. # [13:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8067] New: "Otherwise, let new children be targets returned." - s/targets/the nodes/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0798.html> ** [Bug 8066] New: "Parsed the given string text as HTML or XML and inserts" - should be "Parses" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0797.html> ** [Bug 8065] New: "Otherwise, let new children be targets returned." - s/targets/the nodes/ <
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  62. # [13:42] <pimpbot> planet: Be a CSS Ninja with your Font Dragr <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/cqOmQ-KCTbI/font-dragr>
  63. # [13:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0799.html>
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  68. # [14:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8000] ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0800.html>
  69. # [14:25] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: hsivonen * r79 /trunk/build.py: Alert the user if there is an svn-based htmlparser directory.
  70. # [14:25] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: hsivonen * r80 /trunk/build.py: Avoid --rebase, since it is a extension feature.
  71. # [14:25] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: hsivonen * r81 /trunk/build.py: Without --rebase, need --update instead.
  72. # [14:38] <MikeSmith> issue: Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute?
  73. # [14:38] * trackbot noticed an ISSUE. Trying to create it.
  74. # [14:38] <trackbot> Created ISSUE-87 - Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/87/edit .
  75. # [14:39] <MikeSmith> issue-87: escalated from http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8003
  76. # [14:39] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-87.
  77. # [14:39] <trackbot> ISSUE-87 Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute? notes added
  78. # [14:39] <pimpbot> 8003: davidc@nag.co.uk, P2, NEW, line breaks in attributes (especially title)
  79. # [14:40] * annevk somewhat wonders when we'll have resolved all the issues
  80. # [14:42] <pimpbot> planet: Are Web Workers themselves allowed to have Web Worker threads? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1512119/are-web-workers-themselves-allowed-to-have-web-worker-threads>
  81. # [14:44] <jgraham> annevk: Extrapolate from the graph :)
  82. # [14:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0801.html>
  83. # [14:45] * hsivonen is unhappy about ISSUE-87 being an ISSUE
  84. # [14:46] <annevk> mjs, is there a draft agenda available somewhere for next week?
  85. # [14:47] <jgraham> hsivonen: isn't that how The Process works these days?
  86. # [14:48] <hsivonen> jgraham: the reporter of the bug could also accept the editor's resolution.
  87. # [14:51] <Philip> The Process means the reporter typically gets a short response from the editor and no other feedback, and the next step is to escalate into an Issue, and there's no encouragement to e.g. discuss the issue on the mailing list first so the reporter can see if they have a wrong/minority opinion or if the editor was being wrong
  88. # [14:51] <Philip> s/first/before escalating/
  89. # [14:52] <hsivonen> The only thing that really sucks about the current (IE/WebKit) behavior is that HTML-unaware line wrapping in a text editor can introduce wraps in tooltips
  90. # [14:53] <hsivonen> but we aren't going to break <input type=hidden>
  91. # [14:53] <hsivonen> and authors want the ability to put line breaks in tooltips
  92. # [14:53] <jgraham> FWIW I really dislike the current behaviour for exactly that reason
  93. # [14:53] <hsivonen> so inventing something that differs from the way IE/WebKit have worked forever would suck
  94. # [14:53] <Philip> hsivonen: Different attributes could be parsed differently
  95. # [14:53] <jgraham> But not to the extent that I would make an Issue about it
  96. # [14:53] <annevk> just don't worry about it
  97. # [14:53] <Philip> (Not suggesting that's a good idea...)
  98. # [14:53] <jgraham> annevk: Don't worry about what?
  99. # [14:53] <annevk> all you can do is waste time on this issue
  100. # [14:54] <annevk> it's not like anything will actually change
  101. # [14:59] <MikeSmith> the current decision policy document doesn't leave much choice if a commentor chooses to drop in the TrackerRequest keyword, or escalate it themselves
  102. # [15:00] <MikeSmith> the way to prevent it from being escalated before enough discussion has taken place is to now move it to Resolved before some discussion has taken place
  103. # [15:00] <jgraham> annevk: I wasn't planning to spend any time on it. The choice seems to be between a stupid and harmful behaviour and a broken behaviour
  104. # [15:01] <jgraham> So a good outcome isn't really possible
  105. # [15:01] <MikeSmith> s/now move it/not move it/
  106. # [15:02] <hsivonen> if MS said they'd be OK with changing this in IE9 across all modes, I might be more interested in changing this
  107. # [15:02] <annevk> I rather like the current behavior personally
  108. # [15:02] <annevk> anyway...
  109. # [15:02] <hsivonen> well, I guess we'll see how the Process deals with IE/WebKit legacy
  110. # [15:03] * hsivonen notes that Gecko tried to be righteous here for years but authors still seemed to like the "broken" IE/WebKit behavior
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  114. # [15:13] <hsivonen> it's a bit weird to read speculation of what I would or would not have in mind if I volunteered to edit RDFa in HTML
  115. # [15:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0803.html> ** [Bug 8003] line breaks in attributes (especially title) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0802.html>
  116. # [15:15] <hsivonen> anyway, I figured it's best not to contribute to the volume of public-html by taking part in the speculation of what I would or wouldn't have in mind
  117. # [15:15] <Philip> It wouldn't be so speculative if you said it, though
  118. # [15:18] <Dashiva> His motives for saying them would be, though
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  120. # [15:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8074] New: The document load event is delayed until all resources are obtained, but obtaining might be delayed indefinitely if the resource is fetched when needed and not pro-actively, so load may be delayed indefinitely, which doesn't sound sensible. Is that intent <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0805.html> ** [Bug 8073] New: "For example, redirects must be followed" - examples are non-normative, so thi
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  122. # [16:10] <jgraham> hsivonen: The speculation about you and RDFa is hilarious
  123. # [16:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout" (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0809.html>
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  125. # [16:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout" (6 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0811.html>
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  134. # [18:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7260] Create testsuite for table headers association <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0815.html> ** [Bug 8038] Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0814.html>
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  138. # [18:43] <pimpbot> planet: HTML 5 - Sneaky stuff <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1625958/html-5-sneaky-stuff>
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  150. # [20:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7978] Form foster parenting introduces extra space to layout" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0818.html>
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  159. # [22:44] <pimpbot> planet: Which is the future of web development: HTML5 or Silverlight(or other RIA framework)? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1231484/which-is-the-future-of-web-development-html5-or-silverlightor-other-ria-framewo>
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  167. # [23:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8003] line breaks in attributes (especially title) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0819.html>
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