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  7. # [00:57] <mjs> impressively active bug we have there
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  14. # [01:43] <CIA-1> v.nu-validator: html4/xhtml1: make the datatype for head/@profile be a list of URIs (instead of a single URI) (b=686, thx=Julian.Reschke)
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  16. # [01:43] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 686 head/profile holds a white-space separated list of URIs (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
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  66. # [08:16] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Fix bogus references in complete.html. (whatwg r4387) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0001.html> ** hixie: update license boilerplate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0000.html>
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  84. # [10:49] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: don't suggest img[usemap] -- because IE6 doesn't support it (b=636, thx=zcorpan)
  85. # [10:49] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=636
  86. # [10:49] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 636 Advice for border="0" doesn't work for IE6 (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
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  163. # [22:43] <Sirisian> hmm found it. Curious is there a write up or explanation on how w3c views backwards compatability? Is the goal never to break anything with the specifications? For instance like the DOM Event model?
  164. # [22:44] <Sirisian> Also curious have you guys heard of a person called Doug Schepers? I think he's the current editor for that spec.
  165. # [22:45] <Philip> He is shepazu
  166. # [22:45] <Philip> who was here 14 minutes ago
  167. # [22:45] <Philip> Different members of the W3C seem to have different views on backward compatibility
  168. # [22:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8413] New: Please ensure "valid date string" supports non yyyy-mm-dd formats (UK = ddmmyyyy for example) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0031.html>
  169. # [22:50] <Sirisian> Do you think any of them would support breaking part of web pages in an effort to fix a mistake? In one of the bug reports I made I was discussing the MouseEvent about an unrelated subject and realized as apparently a lot of people already know the DOM MouseEvent button property isn't optimal. Seems like a "quick" patch of all browsers except IE (which handles button in the right way) and then all web sites would just need to make a slight change to a
  170. # [22:50] <Sirisian> ccomadate the change. >_> I'm curious if this doug person has ever tried to find a solution. I guess I'll wait to ask him.
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  172. # [22:56] <Philip> Sirisian: Browser developers are extremely reluctant to break pages
  173. # [22:57] <Philip> because nobody will want to upgrade browser if it makes pages stop working
  174. # [22:57] <Philip> and it's impossible to get everybody in the world to update their pages
  175. # [22:58] <jgraham> Sirisian: There is no such thing as a "quick patch to all pages"
  176. # [22:58] <Sirisian> true. It's interesting javascript doesn't have like a <script type="text/javascript" version="x.x"> or something. Would be a lot of work though for developers.
  177. # [22:58] <Sirisian> jgraham, yeah I exagerated that a bit
  178. # [22:59] <Dashiva> Sirisian: Even if that worked, all the old pages would still exist
  179. # [22:59] <jgraham> Sirisian: Mozilla supports something like <type=text/javascript;version=1.7> for experimental changes to javascript itself
  180. # [22:59] <Sirisian> I thought the idea was to leave them and keep them working? No one really takes deprecation seriously
  181. # [22:59] <Sirisian> oh interesting
  182. # [22:59] <Dashiva> And then you're stuck with two sets of tutorials for everything related to mouse buttons
  183. # [23:00] <Philip> and nobody would know which one they should follow
  184. # [23:00] <jgraham> But in general browser makers other than microsoft don't want to add multiple modes to their engines because it becomes a maintainance nightmare
  185. # [23:00] <Sirisian> That already happens though. I mean people do the element.onmousedown = function() { } stuff all the time instead of addEventListener.
  186. # [23:01] <jgraham> (and maybe even Microsoft don't want to but feel that it is the lesser of two evils, or something)
  187. # [23:01] <Dashiva> Sirisian: addEventListener is a trade-off, though. You can do more in return for complexity.
  188. # [23:02] <Sirisian> tough problem
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