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  12. # [04:42] <pimpbot> planet: HTML Canvas element implemented in Flash? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1797535/html-canvas-element-implemented-in-flash> ** Is it time to start developing with HTML5? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1188770/is-it-time-to-start-developing-with-html5>
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  19. # [07:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove a bogus sentence from the WebSocket protocol URL parsing section; and some minor editorial tweaks (whatwg r4410) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0010.html>
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  33. # [14:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8445] New: the picture from wf2 showing url autocomplete seems to have disappeared <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0052.html>
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  36. # [14:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8447] Tighter definition on the aside element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0059.html> ** [Bug 8449] Remove extraneous material from Table section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0058.html> ** [Bug 8449] New: Remove extraneous material from Table section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0057.html> ** [Bug 8447] Tighter d
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  39. # [15:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8447] Tighter definition on the aside element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0065.html> ** [Bug 8449] Remove extraneous material from Table section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0064.html> ** "[Bug 8447] Tighter definition on the aside element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0063.html> ** [Bug 8
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  42. # [15:44] <pimpbot> planet: JavaScript Gaining Traction with Game Developers <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/4SmMw6pStEE/javascript-gaining-traction-with-game-developers>
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  46. # [15:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 8447] Tighter definition on the aside element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0066.html>
  47. # [16:19] <Julian> annevk, you there?
  48. # [16:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8447] Tighter definition on the aside element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0068.html> ** [Bug 8451] New: "The q element uses the HTMLQuoteElement interface." - say "Uses HTMLQuoteElement." instead, for consistency with "Uses HTMLElement." <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0067.html>
  49. # [16:24] <annevk> Julian, yeah
  50. # [16:25] <Julian> ah
  51. # [16:25] <Julian> XHR question...
  52. # [16:25] <annevk> sure
  53. # [16:25] <Julian> did we ever discuss whether XHR needs to say something about how to translate header field values...
  54. # [16:25] <Julian> ...from the wite (octet sequence) to Javascript characters (and vice versa)?
  55. # [16:26] <Julian> s/wite/wire/
  56. # [16:26] <annevk> only for sending
  57. # [16:26] <Julian> oh, does it?
  58. # [16:27] <Julian> or are you saying it was dicussed, but not done...?
  59. # [16:28] <annevk> there's no translation
  60. # [16:28] <annevk> basically invalid values are ignored
  61. # [16:28] <annevk> no escape syntax is used
  62. # [16:28] <annevk> i guess we could consider it for a future version, maybe
  63. # [16:28] <Julian> what's the definition of valid in this context?
  64. # [16:29] <annevk> some rfc2616 grammar rule
  65. # [16:29] <annevk> read the spec
  66. # [16:30] <Julian> RFC 2616 doesn't really say, that's the problem.
  67. # [16:31] <annevk> meh, it's not exactly "valid"
  68. # [16:31] <annevk> it's something else
  69. # [16:32] <annevk> header-value production or some such
  70. # [16:32] <annevk> anyway, it's all there quite clearly spelled out
  71. # [16:32] <annevk> i guess i should've said i'm away, sorry :)
  72. # [16:33] <Julian> the reference to field-value in RFC 2616 doesn't help
  73. # [16:33] <Julian> because that's in term of octets, not characters
  74. # [16:34] <Julian> you still need to define how to get from Javascript characters to octets
  75. # [16:36] <annevk> i suppose
  76. # [16:36] <Julian> sending email
  77. # [16:36] <annevk> the idea is that field-value specifies the allowed ascii-characters
  78. # [16:36] <annevk> but I guess everything could be slightly more explicit
  79. # [16:37] <annevk> (it has been implemented in that way so it wasn't much of a problem apparently)
  80. # [16:39] <Julian> I assume the implementations use ISO-8859-1 but that should probably be tested
  81. # [16:46] <annevk> pretty clear that nobody actually reads documents anymore
  82. # [16:46] <annevk> it's quite clearly spelled out that we want comments to start with [xhr] in the subject but I believe nobody has done that so far
  83. # [16:48] <Philip> Shouldn't document things that conflict with what occurs in practice
  84. # [16:53] <annevk> hard to predict what happens in practice
  85. # [16:54] <Philip> It's easy to predict people won't read documents :-)
  86. # [16:54] <jgraham> I think everybody always assumes that part of the document is old or ignored by everyone else
  87. # [17:17] <kunter> I believe, excuse me to interfere, but we have the Wiki's for tackling this sort of troubles
  88. # [17:20] <kunter> why should I read an article where I can follow my instincts or customs very well - anonymous saying not mine :)
  89. # [17:22] <kunter> thanks to the greed in human nature, or should I have said that in the animals, after years of ignorance it is only NOW that (SERP competition) people "reads about" and "cares about" what they are coding, how they are "mark-up" 'ing their web content
  90. # [17:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 8449] Remove extraneous material from Table section" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0070.html>
  91. # [17:23] <annevk> kunter, this is not about that
  92. # [17:23] <kunter> oh
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  101. # [18:53] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: rfc2119 misuse (whatwg r4413) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0011.html>
  102. # [18:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8093] Why is the browsing context name reset on domain navigation? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0073.html> ** "[Bug 8079] "the document is therefore required to use UTF-8 as its encoding" - this sounds like it's intended as an informative restatement of the conformance requirements in #character-encoding-declaration, in which case it shouldn't use the normative keyword "requ" (2 messages in thread) <
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  113. # [20:23] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: fix a series of double-thes. (whatwg r4414) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0012.html>
  114. # [20:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8106] typo: doubled "the" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0081.html> ** [Bug 8105] typo: doubled "the" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0080.html> ** [Bug 8104] typo: doubled "the" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0079.html> ** [Bug 8103] typo: doubled "the", and that two times. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
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