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  76. # [12:15] <annevk> Julian, it looks like you did not read what Ian wrote...
  77. # [12:19] <Hixie> i often feel like i'm arguing with people who are just arguing with a caricature of what i am arguing
  78. # [12:20] <Hixie> like what i'm saying is too subtle so they decide they should simplify it and argue against that
  79. # [12:21] <annevk> maybe you're too complex :p
  80. # [12:21] <Hixie> that's not what i hear :-P
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  84. # [13:04] <Julian> Anne, be more specific please.
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  86. # [13:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8264] Fix terminology for "resource", "representation", "retrieval" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0118.html>
  87. # [13:20] <Hixie> Julian: i won't be replying to your e-mail, because there's nothing there to reply to, you're just contradicting everything i say without taking it into account
  88. # [13:21] <Hixie> you even contradicted me when i said that we didn't always use the word "resource" to mean "bag of bits"
  89. # [13:21] <Hixie> so clearly you're not actually taking part in a good faith attempt to reach agreement
  90. # [13:30] <Julian> Hixie, you "clearly" didn't consider that I may just have misread what you said
  91. # [13:31] <Julian> so, it appears you con't claim "resource == bag of bits" anymore?
  92. # [13:31] <Hixie> i did consider that you may have misread it... both anne and I actually suggested that you misread it... and you denied it. so, yeah, i am done discussing this with you.
  93. # [13:32] <Julian> well, whatever. Errors happen. I corrected this one.
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  95. # [13:40] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo fix (whatwg r4428) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0019.html>
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  106. # [15:05] <J_Voracek> My regrets; I have an unexpected matter I need to tend to. Please excuse me from today's conference. Thank you!
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  110. # [16:10] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make the note about 'display' not affecting <object> broader. (whatwg r4429) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0020.html>
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  140. # [17:58] <manu> zakim, code?
  141. # [17:58] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  142. # [17:58] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  143. # [17:58] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  144. # [17:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  146. # [17:58] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  147. # [17:58] <Zakim> trackbot, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move HTML to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
  148. # [17:58] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  149. # [17:58] <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2009
  150. # [17:59] * manu wonders if Zakim is awake?
  151. # [18:00] <rubys> Zakim, codes?
  152. # [18:00] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, rubys.
  153. # [18:00] <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
  154. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, manu, I don't know what conference this is
  155. # [18:00] <Zakim> On IRC I see manu, rubys, shelleyp, dsinger, cardona507, Laura, arne, tvanoost2, kliehm, LeifHS, MikeSmith, plh, miketaylr, Dashiva, ROBOd, Michelangelo, Julian, shepazu, CIA-1,
  156. # [18:00] <rubys> Zakim, code?
  157. # [18:00] <Zakim> ... jgraham, syp, gavin_, karl, drry, hsivonen, Hixie, krijnh, gsnedders, RRSAgent, trackbot, Yudai, jmb, inimino, pimpbot, hober, matt, Philip, ed_work
  158. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, rubys, I don't know what conference this is
  159. # [18:00] <rubys> Zakim, move HTML to here
  160. # [18:00] <manu> zakim, this will be html
  161. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM, rubys
  162. # [18:00] <Zakim> html matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM
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  164. # [18:00] <manu> zakim, this will be html_wg
  165. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, manu, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  166. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Julian
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  168. # [18:01] <manu> zakim, who is on the call
  169. # [18:01] <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
  170. # [18:01] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', manu
  171. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, [IPcaller], +1.408.615.aaaa, Julian
  172. # [18:01] <Zakim> +cardona507
  173. # [18:01] <manu> zakim, I am ?IPcaller
  174. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '?IPcaller'
  175. # [18:02] <manu> zakim, I am IPcaller
  176. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> regrets+ Gregory
  177. # [18:02] <Zakim> +kliehm
  178. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
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  180. # [18:02] * kliehm zakim, mute me
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  182. # [18:02] * Zakim kliehm should now be muted
  183. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  184. # [18:02] <rubys> zakim, aaa is MMiller
  185. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike-Mobile
  186. # [18:02] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  187. # [18:02] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba
  188. # [18:02] <cardona507> Zakim, I am cardona507
  189. # [18:02] <Zakim> sorry, rubys, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
  190. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  191. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Mike
  192. # [18:02] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  193. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Cooper
  194. # [18:02] <janina> zakim, call janina
  195. # [18:02] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  196. # [18:02] <rubys> Zakim, aaaa is MarkMiller
  197. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, cardona507, I now associate you with cardona507
  198. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Matt_May
  199. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  200. # [18:02] <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
  201. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Janina
  202. # [18:02] <Zakim> +MarkMiller; got it
  203. # [18:02] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  204. # [18:03] <manu> scribenick: manu
  205. # [18:03] <manu> rssagent, make logs public
  206. # [18:03] <manu> rssagent, draft minutes
  207. # [18:03] <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
  208. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-html-wg-minutes.html manu
  209. # [18:03] <manu> rrsagent, make logs public
  210. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, manu
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  212. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Apple]
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  214. # [18:04] <mjs> hi!
  215. # [18:04] <manu> Chair: Sam Ruby
  216. # [18:04] <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
  217. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, [IPcaller], MarkMiller, Julian, cardona507 (muted), kliehm (muted), [Microsoft], Mike, Cooper, Matt_May, Janina, [Apple]
  218. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has adrianba
  219. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  220. # [18:05] <paulc> Zakim, Microsoft.a has paulc
  221. # [18:05] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  222. # [18:05] <manu> Topic: Action Items
  223. # [18:05] <paulc> agenda link?
  224. # [18:05] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0021.html
  225. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Hixie
  226. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces from Sam Ruby on 2009-12-09 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  227. # [18:05] <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0021.html
  228. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces from Sam Ruby on 2009-12-09 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
  229. # [18:06] <manu> ACTION-159?
  230. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-159
  231. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-159 -- Adrian Bateman to document Extensibility Use Case for Editors on Wiki -- due 2009-12-10 -- OPEN
  232. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/159
  233. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-159 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  234. # [18:06] <manu> ACTION-127?
  235. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-127
  236. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Maciej Stachowiak to establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due 2009-12-10 -- OPEN
  237. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/127
  238. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-127 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  239. # [18:07] <manu> Maciej: my plan is to collect and write up the procedure that Paul came up with and make some small adjustments.
  240. # [18:07] <manu> Maciej: namely, to make clear that feedback has been made by the group.
  241. # [18:07] <manu> Maciej: I'll circulate, hope to have it done by today.
  242. # [18:07] <manu> Sam: Due date the 17th?
  243. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Laura
  244. # [18:07] <manu> Maciej: That's good.
  245. # [18:08] <manu> Topic: Change Proposals
  246. # [18:08] <manu> ISSUE-76?
  247. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-76
  248. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
  249. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
  250. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  251. # [18:08] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  252. # [18:08] <manu> Sam: We've got a recent one for ping
  253. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
  254. # [18:08] <manu> Sam: Anybody want to talk about ping-post pingui?
  255. # [18:09] <manu> Sam: HTML versioning?
  256. # [18:09] <manu> Sam: moving through these until we get to Microdata...
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  258. # [18:09] <manu> Sam: Table Summary?
  259. # [18:09] <manu> Sam: URLs webarch?
  260. # [18:09] <manu> Sam: DT/DD semantics?
  261. # [18:09] <manu> Sam: The next action will be that the chairs will be calling for counter-proposals.
  262. # [18:10] <manu> ISSUE-76?
  263. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-76
  264. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
  265. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
  266. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  267. # [18:10] <manu> Maciej: Will be sending survey out
  268. # [18:10] <manu> Maciej: This is not a poll/vote - just a final chance for people to state that they have an objection.
  269. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aabb
  270. # [18:10] <manu> Maciej: We don't have concensus on a particular option... we so chairs have to pick one that has least powerful objection.
  271. # [18:10] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, 1.206.850.aabb is me
  272. # [18:10] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '1.206.850.aabb'
  273. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  274. # [18:11] <manu> Maciej: No need to repeat things that have been stated by others.
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  276. # [18:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8470] The "Running a script" section has "If either:" and 3 bullets; should be "If:". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0120.html> ** [Bug 8472] New: Reference http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-style-attr/ now that's in a useful state [ms] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0119.html>
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  278. # [18:11] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, +1.206.850.aabb is me
  279. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  280. # [18:11] <Hixie> Zakim, i am hixie
  281. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, Hixie, I now associate you with Hixie
  282. # [18:11] <manu> Manu: Draft 4 is the one that's going out to the poll?
  283. # [18:11] <manu> Topic: Review of Chair call proposals
  284. # [18:12] <manu> Sam: We have 3 that are due on the 17ht
  285. # [18:12] <manu> Sam: ISSUEs 27, 87, and 88
  286. # [18:12] <manu> Paul: I need to coordinate with Mark Nottingham
  287. # [18:13] <manu> Paul: I'll evaluate the situation early next week. Maciej asked if I could do 17th... will re-evaluate after speaking with mnot.
  288. # [18:13] <manu> Sam: There are 5 new Calls for Proposals, due mid-Jan.
  289. # [18:13] <manu> Sam: if they catch your interest, please put out a proposal.
  290. # [18:13] <manu> Paul: Is issue 74 owned by a11y task force?
  291. # [18:14] <manu> Laura: I think it is.
  292. # [18:14] <kliehm> There has been a good response to Issue-88 by i18n WG, if you put an action on me I can try to phrase a change proposal
  293. # [18:14] <manu> Paul: maybe we should ask that task force when they will have that proposal done?
  294. # [18:14] <manu> Laura: I know there is work going on on this...
  295. # [18:14] <manu> Laura: We've been busy with ARIA... don't know if they're ready to produce a change proposal.
  296. # [18:15] <manu> Sam: Haven't heard of a new date...
  297. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Cooper
  298. # [18:15] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  299. # [18:15] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  300. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Cooper
  301. # [18:15] <manu> Sam: I don't hear anybody saying they can't make Jan 16th.
  302. # [18:15] * plh is running (really) late and apologizes
  303. # [18:15] <manu> Paul: They're working on ARIA right now, not on canvas accessibility
  304. # [18:15] <manu> Laura: Can we ask Rich if he's going to make it?
  305. # [18:16] <manu> Paul: I think we should explicitly ask the TF to respond to that thread.
  306. # [18:16] <manu> Sam: A member of that TF did respond and said he could do it by that date.
  307. # [18:16] <manu> Paul: Let's move on
  308. # [18:16] <manu> ISSUE-79?
  309. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-79
  310. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-79 -- Meta/@name=keywords should be specified (and made conforming) -- RAISED
  311. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/79
  312. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-79 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  313. # [18:16] <manu> ISSUE-89?
  314. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-89
  315. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-89 does not exist
  316. # [18:16] <Julian> ISSUE-81?
  317. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-81
  318. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- RAISED
  319. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
  320. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-81 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  321. # [18:17] <manu> Sam: Any feedback on these calls for proposal
  322. # [18:17] <manu> Topic: Chair calls for consensus
  323. # [18:17] <manu> Sam: Going through these, let me know if you want to discuss.
  324. # [18:17] <manu> Sam: If we don't hear back any objections in the next week, we'll declare consensus
  325. # [18:17] <manu> Sam: No new issues this week
  326. # [18:17] <manu> Topic: Status of Task Forces
  327. # [18:17] <manu> Sam: a11y Task Force?
  328. # [18:17] <manu> Laura: Seems to be getting ramped up
  329. # [18:18] <manu> Laura: We've had good traction, seem to be moving forward.
  330. # [18:18] <manu> Sam: Testing Task Force?
  331. # [18:18] <manu> Sam: anybody on call from TTF?
  332. # [18:18] <Zakim> -Cooper
  333. # [18:18] <manu> Sam: Cliff said he wouldn't be able to make the call
  334. # [18:18] <manu> Sam: He said 10 people attended TTF...
  335. # [18:19] <manu> Sam: Opera, Mozilla, Microsoft attended the meeting - they're meeting again on the 22nd.
  336. # [18:19] <manu> Adrian: I was on the call
  337. # [18:19] * MichaelC zakim, code?
  338. # [18:19] * Zakim saw 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152) given for the conference code, MichaelC
  339. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  340. # [18:19] <manu> Adrian: Most of the discussion was around infrastructure - tracker, source control, etc.
  341. # [18:19] <manu> Adrian: Discussion around metadata for Test Cases - general agreement that TCs would be done by creating folders at first
  342. # [18:19] <manu> Adrian: we'll discuss metadata later on.
  343. # [18:20] <manu> Sam: Scribe for the next meeting?
  344. # [18:20] <manu> Sam: silence...
  345. # [18:20] <manu> Topic: Schedule for rest of year
  346. # [18:20] <manu> Sam: Not having telecons on 24th or 31st. Dec 17th will be our last one.
  347. # [18:21] <manu> Paul: Any time between Christmas and New Year is problematic...
  348. # [18:21] <manu> Sam: 17th is the last meeting of the year
  349. # [18:21] <manu> Paul: Yes. Next meeting probably on Jan 7th.
  350. # [18:21] <manu> Sam: Any last comments?
  351. # [18:21] <manu> Sam: Meeting adjourned.
  352. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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  354. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Matt_May
  355. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  356. # [18:22] <Laura> bye
  357. # [18:22] <Zakim> -kliehm
  358. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Hixie
  359. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Julian
  360. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Sam
  361. # [18:22] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  362. # [18:22] <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
  363. # [18:22] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-html-wg-minutes.html manu
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  365. # [18:22] <Zakim> -MarkMiller
  366. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 10 Dec 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  367. # [18:22] <Zakim> -cardona507
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  370. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Mike
  371. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  372. # [18:22] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  373. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Laura
  374. # [18:22] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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  379. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Janina
  380. # [18:24] <Zakim> +[Oracle]
  381. # [18:24] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  382. # [18:24] <manu> zakim, bye
  383. # [18:24] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were cardona507, Sam, [IPcaller], +1.408.615.aaaa, Julian, kliehm, Mike, Cooper, adrianba, Matt_May, Janina, MarkMiller, [Apple],
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  385. # [18:24] <Zakim> ... [Microsoft], paulc, Hixie, Laura, Cynthia_Shelly, Eliot_Graff, Michael_Cooper, [Oracle]
  386. # [18:24] <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
  387. # [18:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/10-html-wg-minutes.html manu
  388. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 10 Dec 2009 (at www.w3.org)
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  390. # [18:29] <manu> rrsagent, silence
  391. # [18:29] * RRSAgent is not logging
  392. # [18:30] <manu> err, so minuting question - how does this WG track action items? Do you use the Action Summary section?
  393. # [18:30] <mjs> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-76-objection-poll/ is now up
  394. # [18:30] <mjs> If anyone has technical difficulties with it, please let me know
  395. # [18:31] <manu> rrsagent, show action items
  396. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  400. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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