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  3. # [00:59] <pimpbot> planet: How to add mime-type for <video> element on Firefox ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1841711/how-to-add-mime-type-for-video-element-on-firefox>
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  54. # [10:55] * Topic is 'Pursuing conformance solutions for the N-body gravitational system known as "the Web", and in general, collectively performing various acts of unparalleled hubris (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/)'
  55. # [10:55] * Set by MikeSmith on Thu Jun 18 06:02:08
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  65. # [12:53] <jgraham> Hixie: Is it supposed to be derivable from the spec what the expected behaviour for `var props = []; for (var p in crossDomainWindowObject) {props.push(p)}` should be?
  66. # [12:55] <jgraham> (possible behavious include "props should remain empty" and "It should throw SECURITY_ERR")
  67. # [12:55] <jgraham> *behaviours
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  79. # [15:47] <Julian> MikeSmith, you asked for ABNF tools...
  80. # [15:48] <Julian> did you see http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/verif-tools.shtml?
  81. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> Julian: nope, have not checked that yet
  82. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> will look now
  83. # [15:58] <Julian> "abnfgen" is kind of fun
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  86. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> Julian: abnfgen is indeed fun
  87. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> tried that one out already
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  106. # [20:12] <Hixie> jgraham: i'm sure it is derivable (via webidl) but i've no idea what the specced behaviour is
  107. # [20:17] <rubys> hixie: <device> appears to be a bit of a blank slate at the moment, is there more of a sketch of what is expected at some point to be found somewhere?
  108. # [20:17] <jgraham> Hixie: Does WebIDL allow for differences between same orign and different origin objects?
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  110. # [20:26] <Hixie> rubys: there's more in the editor's draft version on the whatwg site (i haven't checked it in yet)
  111. # [20:27] <Hixie> jgraham: the only distinction there is the security section in the html5 spec
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  113. # [20:34] <jgraham> Hixie: Right so what does "members of a Foo object are accessed" mean for enumeration
  114. # [20:34] <jgraham> is enumeration considered access?
  115. # [20:34] <Hixie> no idea
  116. # [20:35] <jgraham> Well the behaviour I observed was that some browsers (Firefox) throw SECURITY_ERR whereas others just act as if there were no enumerable properties
  117. # [20:36] <jgraham> (really "accessed" should be defined in terms of some ECMAScript operation)
  118. # [20:41] <rubys> uri of device draft on whatwg site?
  119. # [20:41] <Hixie> there's no separate draft, it's just part of the html spec on the whatwg draft
  120. # [20:42] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete.html#devices if you like the complete.html file, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#devices if you prefer the HTML spec only
  121. # [20:42] <jgraham> Hixie: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/332
  122. # [20:43] <rubys> don't see much more in that spec (and don't see the difference between the two uris you just posted)
  123. # [20:43] <Hixie> the devices section is the same in those two
  124. # [20:43] <Hixie> and there's not much more, indeed
  125. # [20:44] <Hixie> it's based on the idea in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Dec/0194.html
  126. # [20:44] <Hixie> and other e-mails on that thread
  127. # [20:44] <rubys> There are people at IBM who are prototyping work in this area (currently as plugins). Having this function without a plugin would be fantastic.
  128. # [20:44] <Hixie> please encourage them to take part in the discussions
  129. # [20:46] <rubys> I'm trying :-) Starting with use cases and/or requirements, ideally
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