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  85. # [16:55] <zcorpan> hsivonen: cool, 16.dat now passes
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  89. # [17:04] <zcorpan> http://www.the-bip.com/dotclear/index.php?contact is interesting -- maybe <!--> in script shouldn't be an empty pseudo-comment
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  91. # [17:05] <zcorpan> oh wait, it's not in script
  92. # [17:16] <zcorpan> hsivonen: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/335 - dom view sometimes doesn't include body
  93. # [17:16] <zcorpan> probably not related to script tokenization, though
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  97. # [17:42] <zcorpan> hsivonen: http://www.arabshome.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2517 has regressed in its rendering (as expected; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0910.html )
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  104. # [18:00] <paulc> We will need a scribe for today's meeting. Any volunteers?
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  107. # [18:01] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0402.html
  108. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  109. # [18:01] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  111. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-html-wg-irc
  112. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  113. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  116. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  117. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  118. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  119. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2009
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  121. # [18:02] <rubys> zakim, who is on the call?
  122. # [18:02] <Zakim> sorry, rubys, I don't know what conference this is
  123. # [18:02] <Zakim> On IRC I see masinter, Eliot_Graff, Zakim, RRSAgent, oedipus, MichaelC, adrianba, rubys, cardona507, paulc, sbublava, dsinger, gavin_, Laura, zcorpan, LeifHS, aroben, kliehm,
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  125. # [18:02] <Zakim> ... miketaylr, plh, myakura, ROBOd, Julian, jmb, mjs, shepazu, karl, paul_iri_, syp, krijnh, tlr-bbl, drry, gavin, johndrinkwater, Dashiva, CIA-1, jgraham, hsivonen, Hixie,
  126. # [18:02] <Zakim> ... gsnedders, trackbot, Yudai, inimino, matt, Philip, ed_work
  127. # [18:02] <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  128. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  129. # [18:02] <paulc> Good morning/mid-day
  130. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  131. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  132. # [18:02] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  133. # [18:02] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  134. # [18:03] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  135. # [18:03] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  136. # [18:03] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  137. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Cooper
  138. # [18:03] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  139. # [18:03] <rubys> zakim, who is on the call?
  140. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], cardona507, Sam, kliehm, Masinter, [Microsoft.a], +1.510.495.aaaa, [Microsoft.aa], [Apple], Cooper (muted)
  141. # [18:03] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  142. # [18:03] <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
  143. # [18:03] <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  144. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  145. # [18:03] <rob> zakim +1.510.495.aaaa is rob
  146. # [18:03] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, +[Microsoft.a] is me
  147. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '+[Microsoft.a]'
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  149. # [18:03] <cardona507> Zakim, please mute me.
  150. # [18:03] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  151. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Matt_May
  152. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Laura
  153. # [18:04] <paulc> We need a scribe volunteer.
  154. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
  155. # [18:04] <Zakim> -Laura
  156. # [18:04] <rob> zakim, +1.510.495.aaaa is me
  157. # [18:04] <Zakim> +rob; got it
  158. # [18:04] <paulc> I expect the meeting will be short so it is a good day to volunteer
  159. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  160. # [18:04] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, +Microsoft.a is me
  161. # [18:04] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '+Microsoft.a'
  162. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  163. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], cardona507 (muted), Sam, kliehm, Masinter, [Microsoft.a], rob, [Microsoft.aa], [Apple], Cooper, Matt_May, Gregory_Rosmaita, Cynthia_Shelly
  164. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  165. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  166. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
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  168. # [18:04] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  169. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
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  171. # [18:05] <rubys> scribe: Sam
  172. # [18:05] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0402.html
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  175. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Laura
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  177. # [18:05] <rubys> topic: Review of action items pending review
  178. # [18:06] <Zakim> +mjs
  179. # [18:06] <paulc> Review of action items pending review
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  181. # [18:06] <paulc> None
  182. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
  183. # [18:06] <mjs> (sorry, dialing troubles)
  184. # [18:06] <paulc> overdue action items
  185. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: Review of due and overdue action items
  186. # [18:06] <paulc> ACTION-159
  187. # [18:06] * RRSAgent sees no action items
  188. # [18:06] <adrianba> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/DistributedExtensibility#htmleditors
  189. # [18:06] <rubys> Adrian: I've updated the action and posted some info on the wiki
  190. # [18:06] <rubys> Paul: so action 159 is done
  191. # [18:06] <rubys> close action-159
  192. # [18:06] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-159.
  193. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-159 Document Extensibility Use Case for Editors on Wiki closed
  194. # [18:07] * Parts: arronei (arronei@131.107.0.102)
  195. # [18:07] <masinter> moves into "pending review" ?
  196. # [18:07] <masinter> action-159?
  197. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-159
  198. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-159 -- Adrian Bateman to document Extensibility Use Case for Editors on Wiki -- due 2009-12-17 -- CLOSED
  199. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/159
  200. # [18:07] <rubys> paul: action-127 on maciej...
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  202. # [18:07] <rubys> mjs: I have yet to send that out
  203. # [18:07] <paulc> Change to date to Jan 7?
  204. # [18:07] <rubys> paul: new due date: Jan 7th?
  205. # [18:08] <paulc> Agreed: Change the date to Jan 14
  206. # [18:08] <rubys> mjs: add an additional week to that...
  207. # [18:08] <rubys> action-127 due jan 13
  208. # [18:08] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-127.
  209. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-127 establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts due date now jan 13
  210. # [18:08] <paulc> Jan 13 is better (before the Jan 14 telcon)
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  212. # [18:08] <rubys> paul: action 137 on Richard
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  214. # [18:09] <janina> zakim, call janina
  215. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  216. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Janina
  217. # [18:09] <masinter> action-133?
  218. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-133
  219. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to develop an accessibility API and model for canvas as well as attributes to specify alternative content -- due 2009-12-17 -- OPEN
  220. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/133
  221. # [18:09] <rubys> Richard: I don't think we are going to get an accessibility API agreed upon in an HTML5 timeframe, but we are close to an agreement on a shadow-dom approach
  222. # [18:10] <rubys> richard: we need to work on alternative content
  223. # [18:10] <rubys> richard: we need to propose additions to css
  224. # [18:11] <rubys> paul: how do I handle this action item? Change the date?
  225. # [18:11] * dsinger you are fading out (audio)
  226. # [18:12] <rubys> richard: an accessibility API is not likely in the HTML5 timeframe; for now we will approach this a shadow-dom, and we will need to provide a means for providing alternative content
  227. # [18:12] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  228. # [18:12] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  229. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Plh
  230. # [18:13] * plh apologizes for being late. was on an other call.
  231. # [18:13] <rubys> paul: I'm trying to figure out a correlation to other actions, should we morph this one or change the date or ...
  232. # [18:13] <masinter> issue-74?
  233. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  234. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
  235. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  236. # [18:14] <rubys> paul: I believe that we should close 133, and open a new action item that correlates to issue-74
  237. # [18:14] * tlr-bbl is now known as tlr
  238. # [18:14] <rubys> richard: (to dsinger) do you think March is a reasonable date?
  239. # [18:15] <rubys> dsinger: I think so, as long as it doesn't impact css
  240. # [18:15] <rubys> close action-133
  241. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-133.
  242. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-133 Develop an accessibility API and model for canvas as well as attributes to specify alternative content closed
  243. # [18:17] * Parts: krisk (ad93df19@128.30.52.43)
  244. # [18:17] <rubys> action on richard to draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010
  245. # [18:17] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  246. # [18:17] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
  247. # [18:17] <rubys> action richard to draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010
  248. # [18:17] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  249. # [18:17] <trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010 [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2009-12-24].
  250. # [18:17] <rubys> topic Microdata proposals poll
  251. # [18:18] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  252. # [18:18] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], cardona507 (muted), Sam, kliehm, Masinter, Eliot_Graff, rob, [Microsoft.aa], [Apple], Cooper, Matt_May, Gregory_Rosmaita, Cynthia_Shelly, Laura,
  253. # [18:18] <paulc> Issue-76 proposals poll
  254. # [18:18] * Zakim ... mjs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina, Plh
  255. # [18:18] * Zakim [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  256. # [18:18] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  257. # [18:18] * Zakim [Apple] has dsinger
  258. # [18:18] <rubys> paul: I want to remind everybody that the poll closes this evening.
  259. # [18:18] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has TonyRoss
  260. # [18:18] <Zakim> +TonyRoss; got it
  261. # [18:18] <rubys> paul: the chairs have scheduled a chairs meeting for tuesday to discuss the results and propose next steps
  262. # [18:19] <rubys> paul: the chairs recommendation for the subsequent change proposals is to wait until we have accessed these results first
  263. # [18:20] <rubys> janina: it is confusing how one can contribute to it and defer to others with more expertise
  264. # [18:20] <rubys> paul: we are not trying to count, we are trying to get all of the problems enumerated.
  265. # [18:21] <rubys> janina: it is not clear what utility that poll has then
  266. # [18:21] <masinter> people should put in their opinion in their own words
  267. # [18:21] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has krisk
  268. # [18:21] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  269. # [18:21] <rubys> topic: Review of submitted Change Proposals
  270. # [18:22] <kliehm> q+
  271. # [18:22] * Zakim sees kliehm on the speaker queue
  272. # [18:22] <rubys> paul: I encourage everybody to review these: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  273. # [18:22] <rubys> topic: Review of Chair Calls for Proposals
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  275. # [18:22] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  276. # [18:23] <rubys> Paul: as we have gotten no proposal for issue-87, I believe that we close this issue at this time.
  277. # [18:23] <masinter> aren't there 4 issues with deadline of today?
  278. # [18:23] <masinter> issue-87?
  279. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-87
  280. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-87 -- Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute? -- RAISED
  281. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/87
  282. # [18:23] <rubys> close issue-87
  283. # [18:23] * trackbot attempting to close ISSUE-87.
  284. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-87 Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute? closed
  285. # [18:23] <masinter> 10 35 73 87?
  286. # [18:23] <oedipus> if it ain't a straw poll, don't call it one, and why if answers are in "essay" form are the results shoved into a TABLE?
  287. # [18:24] <oedipus> s/form are the/form why are the/
  288. # [18:24] <kliehm> Just wanted to remark that the owner of Issue-88 is now the i18n WG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009OctDec/0131.html
  289. # [18:25] <kliehm> q-
  290. # [18:25] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  291. # [18:25] <masinter> and 35 and 73 are waiting for "object to closing"
  292. # [18:26] <rubys> paul: issue-35 is on due jan 14
  293. # [18:26] <rubys> paul: issue-10.. that status may be out of date
  294. # [18:26] <rubys> paul: we will recheck on 10
  295. # [18:26] <rubys> paul: we will also double check on issue-73
  296. # [18:27] <rubys> paul: will do as soon after the meeting as I can
  297. # [18:27] <rubys> action on paul to recheck status of issues 10 and 73
  298. # [18:27] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  299. # [18:27] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
  300. # [18:27] <rubys> action paul to recheck status of issues 10 and 73
  301. # [18:27] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  302. # [18:27] <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Recheck status of issues 10 and 73 [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-12-24].
  303. # [18:28] * rubys needs to stop typing the word "on"
  304. # [18:28] <rubys> Paul notes that there are no volunteers yet for most of the calls to proposals
  305. # [18:29] <rubys> Paul: got input from mnot on issue-27 and encourages everybody to review
  306. # [18:29] <rubys> Paul: will need to update issue-74 based on the new action items
  307. # [18:30] <rubys> Larry: I have a change proposal for versioning (issue-4), and I owe an update to the change proposal, and once updated may also apply to issue-84.
  308. # [18:30] <rubys> Paul: that still leaves a number of issues without volunteers
  309. # [18:31] <rubys> topic: Review of Chair Calls for Consensus
  310. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
  311. # [18:32] <rubys> Larry: this issue was amicably resolved...
  312. # [18:32] <rubys> Paul: that distinction is effectively moot
  313. # [18:32] <rubys> close issue-73
  314. # [18:32] * trackbot attempting to close ISSUE-73.
  315. # [18:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-73 Overlap of "predefined vocabularies" with other specifications closed
  316. # [18:33] <rubys> paul: issues 59 and 67 were originally due today, but have been delayed to January 1
  317. # [18:33] <rubys> topic New issues this week
  318. # [18:33] <rubys> none
  319. # [18:33] <rubys> topic: Status of Task Forces
  320. # [18:34] <rubys> cynthia: (accessibility TF) I have an action item to update the proposal for summary due the second week of january
  321. # [18:34] <rubys> issue-32?
  322. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  323. # [18:34] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
  324. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  325. # [18:35] <rubys> paul: can you relate your work to the existing proposal?
  326. # [18:35] <rubys> cynthia: I'm trying to find a compromise on the hidden meta-data
  327. # [18:35] <rubys> paul: are you planning to submit another proposal or edit the existing proposal?
  328. # [18:35] <rubys> cynthia: I plan to replace (refine) the existing proposal...
  329. # [18:36] <rubys> paul: I'm wondering how we can track that
  330. # [18:36] <rubys> action cynthia to update table-summary due january 14
  331. # [18:36] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  332. # [18:36] <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Update table-summary due january 14 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2009-12-24].
  333. # [18:37] <krisk> No update today from the testing task force, will update the group on jan 7th
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  335. # [18:38] * dsinger happy new year etc. everyone!
  336. # [18:38] <cardona507> Happy Holidays everyone :)
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  338. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
  339. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  340. # [18:38] <kliehm> thanks
  341. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Masinter
  342. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  343. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Janina
  344. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Matt_May
  345. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  346. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Plh
  347. # [18:38] <rubys> topic: REMINDER: Next meeting is on Thu Jan 7 2010
  348. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  349. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cooper
  350. # [18:38] <Zakim> -mjs
  351. # [18:38] <Zakim> -rob
  352. # [18:38] <Zakim> -kliehm
  353. # [18:38] <rubys> topic: adjournment
  354. # [18:38] <Zakim> -cardona507
  355. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
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  357. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Laura
  358. # [18:39] <rubys> trackbot, generate minutes
  359. # [18:39] <trackbot> Sorry, rubys, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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  361. # [18:39] <rubys> zakim, generate minutes
  362. # [18:39] <Zakim> I don't understand 'generate minutes', rubys
  363. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Sam
  364. # [18:39] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  365. # [18:39] <Zakim> Attendees were cardona507, Sam, kliehm, Masinter, adrianba, Cooper, dsinger, paulc, Matt_May, Laura, Gregory_Rosmaita, rob, Cynthia_Shelly, Eliot_Graff, mjs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger,
  366. # [18:39] <Zakim> ... Janina, Plh, TonyRoss, krisk
  367. # [18:39] <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
  368. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  369. # [18:40] <paulc> Thanks Sam for scribing today.
  370. # [18:40] <paulc> Have a great holiday everyone.
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  372. # [18:40] <rubys> chair: paulc
  373. # [18:40] <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
  374. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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